Who is the better pass rusher

[plasticman]

He was susceptible to the misdirection? Like everyone, he was confused by the RPO options RGIII was running. He got beat a few times -- literally like everyone in the league. But then the nonsense on this board started.

Ware is in the HoF. He "struggled" against the run initially because he chose to return to school after the season and complete his degree rather than juice up and add 20+ lbs before the draft. But where did not juicing get him ... This reminds me of all the junk said about Ware vs. Merriman back when they were drafted. People on here were all "we really screwed this one up" and obsessively detailed Merriman's exploits. When it was all said and done, Shawn 45.5 career sacks. Ware 138.5. And Ware was always better against the run. More tackles every damn year.

We are not comparing Ware to Merriman, we are comparing him to Parsons.

Since we are comparing Ware to Parsons then it is only fair that we compare the specific part of their careers that they have in common, their first two seasons.

This is when I was referring to Ware's struggles, not because he was a detriment, he was not. Ware had never played OLB. He was a DE in college. He had to learn a new position on the fly. It is perfectly understandable that it took more than two seasons to develop certain aspects of a 3-4 OLB.

It's not an insult to Ware if I say that Parsons is more instinctive as a football player and is slightly better in their first two seasons. I posted the statistical comparison.

Some of you guys act like I'm comparing Ware to Jaylon Smith. No. I am comparing him to a player that could very well be considered the best ever at his position once it is all said and done.

There is no dishonor in that. In addition, I'm not minimizing Ware's contribution to Cowboys history. I mean, this is like me comparing Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith. I say Emmitt was better . That's not saying gthat Dorsett was a bum, I would have chosen Emmitt over any RB in history.

We are comparing a top ten player to the absolute best player. I'm saying that Parsons is slightly better and both of them are better than the other thousand guys that played their position in the NFL

 

[RandyOh]

Why?

Why what? Why is ware my favorite? I grew up watching post superbowl winning cowboys. Who else was there to cheer for besides Ware and Witten? Newman?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Why what? Why is ware my favorite? I grew up watching post superbowl winning cowboys. Who else was there to cheer for besides Ware and Witten? Newman?

not a great leader and rarely made big plays in big games.

 

[Big_D]

The speed of Parsons is off the charts and he can basically lineup anywhere. I loved Ware, he was dam good and very smart but Parsons is on a different level. And with Ware in the HOF that really speaks volumes. Strahan better watch that sack record cause I have no doubt 11 will shatter it at some point.

 

[gtb1943]

not a great leader and rarely made big plays in big games.

Which means he was both because you are always wrong.

 

[gtb1943]

The speed of Parsons is off the charts and he can basically lineup anywhere. I loved Ware, he was dam good and very smart but Parsons is on a different level. And with Ware in the HOF that really speaks volumes. Strahan better watch that sack record cause I have no doubt 11 will shatter it at some point.

Ware got a lot of offsides because he was so fast off the mark the officials felt he had to be. YET the vast majority of those penalties when watching the film were false. BUT Jerry never raised hell around it and it kept happening for several years. Both Phillips and BP mentioned this several times.

 

[Big_D]

Ware got a lot of offsides because he was so fast off the mark the officials felt he had to be. YET the vast majority of those penalties when watching the film were false. BUT Jerry never raised hell around it and it kept happening for several years. Both Phillips and BP mentioned this several times.

No doubt he had a great jump off the ball. He just didn’t have the closing speed Parsons has.

 

[kskboys]

No doubt he had a great jump off the ball. He just didn’t have the closing speed Parsons has.

That might be true, but the difference in their closing speed is miniscule.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Ware had amazing bend. I remember him getting so low that he put his hand out and pushed himself up off the ground.

Ware physically was the prototype for a 3-4 end. There really wasn't an attribute he lacked.

 

[Big_D]

That might be true, but the difference in their closing speed is miniscule.

Minuscule in a short distance from DE to the QB maybe, but if either one has to chase a guy downfield or race sideline to sideline it’s a big difference. Parsons measurables are off the charts for a guy his size.

 

[starfan1]

At this point it’s not even close and ware was one of my favorite cowboys . Ware made some plays.

Parsons makes damn near every play

His engine never stops and he creates for others . Lord please keep him healthy

 

[xwalker]

Minuscule in a short distance from DE to the QB maybe, but if either one has to chase a guy downfield or race sideline to sideline it’s a big difference. Parsons measurables are off the charts for a guy his size.

Parsons measurables don't match up to his on-field ability. Great forty time but Ware had better 3-cone, Short-Shuttle, Vert and had 8 more reps on the bench.

 

[gtb1943]

No doubt he had a great jump off the ball. He just didn’t have the closing speed Parsons has.

IF we are talking pass rusher then that is no difference at all. WHICH BY THE WAY is what this thread is all about despite some people wanting to change it.

 

[Big_D]

IF we are talking pass rusher then that is no difference at all. WHICH BY THE WAY is what this thread is all about despite some people wanting to change it.

So they never have to chase a scrambling QB? I’m not changing anything. Parsons has a gear that Ware did not. Period. Not sure what you’re even debating. Speed wise there’s a difference no matter how you spin it.

 

[Clarke82]

For all your claims that is recency bias. For example I watched Larry Allen at his best and he was a greater player than Parsons is now.
Watched Staubach and Emmitt and others and while Micah is looking great right now he could be a flash in the pan; give him at least five years in the NFL doing this before you start to make claims like that.

Larry Allen was not better than Micah is right now at his highest level and it's not really close.

Roger Staubach is my all time favorite player and Emmitt was the engine of those 90's teams.

I don't know if Micah will have a career in the top 20 of All-Time Cowboys but, to this point in his career he does his job at a higher level than any player in Cowboys history.

The only other player that I can think of that was the same kind of game wrecker in his first 3 years was Bob Hayes and being a WR in the '60's limited his impact.

 

[xwalker]

The speed of Parsons is off the charts and he can basically lineup anywhere. I loved Ware, he was dam good and very smart but Parsons is on a different level. And with Ware in the HOF that really speaks volumes. Strahan better watch that sack record cause I have no doubt 11 will shatter it at some point.

It's more than just speed that makes Parsons great. His body control is off the charts.

Parsons can go from outside shoulder of and OT to inside the OT in 1 step. Other pass rushers require 2 or 3 steps to make that move.

Barry Sanders ran a 4.37 forty which is very fast but there have been faster RBs (Chris Johnson 4.24); however, Barry's ability to stop/start and change directions was the best I've ever seen for a Running Back. He could stop reverse direction and be back to full speed in what seemed like 1 step.

Deion's body control combined with his speed is what made him the best CB in history and the most exciting punt returner.
Alexander Wright ran a 4.14 forty but he couldn't change direction. He could never have played CB and obviously couldn't have played like Deion despite having Deion type speed.

 

[xwalker]

I was a huge fan of Demarcus Ware , when he was a cowboy. Now we have another great player in Micah Parsons . Who is the better player. Go Cowboys.

I won't get into "who is better" because that's dependent on how you define it. Career or first 2 years or best game, etc..

I will say that I never thought of Ware being on the Lawrence Taylor level of dominance.

With Parsons I often think of LT type dominance.

 

[KB1122]

Parsons doesn't jump offsides 3 times to get six sacks.

 

[KB1122]

I think Ware should be in the Hall of Fame. But he did get penalized a lot. And he was a guy who showed up, got his sack, made some stops, and went home.

 

[erod]

oh come on man? seriously? This is one of the most hyperbolic comments ever

Those guys made impacts at key moments of games for sure.

Micah seems to blow up almost every single play.