Who Wants To See Marc Colombo Starting This Week At RT??

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aikemirv said:
I disagree, BP challenged Rob to lose weight after the draft and he hit all the numbers. He responded well to the challenge.

As I have said in a few threads, challenge the guys, tell them they are getting no help and they have to hold their own. Make them fight for it, get some attitude and stop all this cover up.

Will they give up some plays? I am sure they will, but if call a few more passes on 1st down rather than on 2nd and 8 you will get less pressure!! On 2nd and 10, keep them honest with some screens and draw plays that JJ runs very well!

Just because someone "wants" to play better doesn't mean that they will. You can challenge a player all day long, but if they're routinely getting pushed around and giving up plays - then you look at other options and hope that sometime on the bench will help the player.

Like I said, I'm willing to give it another week - but if this continues I'd like to at least see what there was in Colombo to make him a first round pick.
 

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Jarv said:
One thing I guess I don't understand about our tackles is...

1) tucker played RT for 15 games last year. He wasn't great but he played there and that was his position. Now Rob, he played left tackle for 3-4 years with Pitt and did all right. Wasn't he all Big East or something ? Shutdown freeney and the likes.

So why the heck are they BOTH playing opposite sides now ???

I mean, do I know if they would play better ? No...but sheesh why are they both playing new positions when Rob has been a LT for years and Tucker has a year under his belt at RT ?

Some things like that really mystify me ???

I hadn't thought of it like that - but I think BP has said he's seen something that makes him feel Tucker is better off at RT. Not sure what it is or why it took 3 years, but I'll trust BP on this one.
 

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Jarv said:
One thing I guess I don't understand about our tackles is...

1) tucker played RT for 15 games last year. He wasn't great but he played there and that was his position. Now Rob, he played left tackle for 3-4 years with Pitt and did all right. Wasn't he all Big East or something ? Shutdown freeney and the likes.

So why the heck are they BOTH playing opposite sides now ???

I mean, do I know if they would play better ? No...but sheesh why are they both playing new positions when Rob has been a LT for years and Tucker has a year under his belt at RT ?

Some things like that really mystify me ???

Tucker lost his job in Week 13 last year because he was so bad at it. Parcells said a couple of weeks ago however that for whatever reason Tucker seems to play the left side better.

As for Rob, he has been playing the right side exclusively since camp, and he's actually said he likes the right better because he can use his dominant arm. They probably don't want to mess with him and throw out several months of experience.

As for the original question, I think Columbo was signed specifically with the idea of playing him next year. We don't know how much they have pushed his conditioning/playbook study, etc to get him ready to play this year.
 

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Parcells still thinks Pettiti is the best option. Even if Rob didn't have the best game, things could still be a lot worse even if we haven't seen Columbo at all.

People keep touting Columbo's first round talent. It is also very telling that someone paid him first round money and gave up on him.
 

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Shaun said:
People keep touting Columbo's first round talent. It is also very telling that someone paid him first round money and gave up on him.

In fairness he had pretty severe injury issues which are supposedly cleared up now.
 

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I don't think we can really anwer this question. Do any of us have access to practice. If he looks alot better in practice, I say start him, Pettiti will get over it and will probably be better off for it, make him hungry for next year. If he is only marginally better, stick with Pettiti, let the kid go through the entire season and take his hits.

Here is my take;

Pettiti-Better than I expected at the start of the season: lost alot of weight and probably isn't used to playing light: but he shows heart. i just hope he keeps it up in the off-season. that being said, he still can get better and has to for us to make a playoff run.

Tucker- About what i expected after Flo got heart; about average at the NFL level. His mental game has picked up.

Larry- Again about what i expected at his age. Best player on the line so far.

Rivera- Disappointing for the money, leads the team in false starts, just doesn't seem to fit in. He pisses me off because he talked such a big game when he came in here, now you barley hear a thing from him.

Al johnson- According to Landry's three year rule he is a loser, a bust, the focus of all my disappointment: When he was drafted i was expecting some chew spit'n Wisconsin farm boy, that never got hurt and kicked a**. What we have got is one decent season out of him so far (last season). As someone here said, he plays small. I'm constantly seeing him get blown into the backfield not protecting his gap. He is soft and the weakest link as far as i can tell.

Andre G- His problem has always been his confidence and his brain. He certainly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Overall- The biggest problem with the line is that they don't seem to be playing well as a unit, They don't trust each other enough. Rivera is probably worried about Pettiti assignments which effects his game. The same can be said for Allen worrying about Tucker. on top of that both guards know that johnson can't hold his own. add a Qb that holds the ball too long, and we get what we saw sunday.
 

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Vertigo_17 said:
Sometime having a player (esp. a young one) step back and watch for a while isn't always a bad thing.

It is good to have young guys watch if there is someone better that they can watch and learn from.
 

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Haley94 said:
Al johnson- According to Landry's three year rule he is a loser, a bust, the focus of all my disappointment: When he was drafted i was expecting some chew spit'n Wisconsin farm boy, that never got hurt and kicked a**. What we have got is one decent season out of him so far (last season). as someone here said he plays small. I'm constantly seeing him get blown into the backfield not protecting his gap. He is soft and the weakest link as far as i can tell.

Not as BP sees it -- BP repeatedly referred to him as a 2nd year player. He's getting another year whether you like it or not.
 

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abersonc said:
Not as BP sees it -- BP repeatedly referred to him as a 2nd year player. He's getting another year whether you like it or not.

Well Bill better have one of his contingency plans ready. A plan better than AG.
 

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abersonc said:
Not as BP sees it -- BP repeatedly referred to him as a 2nd year player. He's getting another year whether you like it or not.


Bill has also said that EVERY position on the team is susceptible (sp?) to being upgraded if the opportunity presents itself.


Whether you like it or not.
 

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How can you guys blame Pettiti and Tucker this much? Pettiti went up against a Hall of Famer. Tucker went against a guy that MANHANDLED the BEST LEFT TACKLE in the NFL!!! We should be glad there wasnt 10 sacks and 5 forced fumbles.
 

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Rack said:
Bill has also said that EVERY position on the team is susceptible (sp?) to being upgraded if the opportunity presents itself.

And that he considers Center as a position that can "hold a team hostage."

Johnson will be on a shorter leash than most.
 

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Rack said:
Bill has also said that EVERY position on the team is susceptible (sp?) to being upgraded if the opportunity presents itself.


Whether you like it or not.

I don't dislike upgrades -- I just don't see one on our roster -- nor do I fool myself into thinking we are going to go out and get a big time FA center.
 

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abersonc said:
I don't dislike upgrades -- I just don't see one on our roster -- nor do I fool myself into thinking we are going to go out and get a big time FA center.

AG is a free agent and will probably not be re-signed. That leaves a hole on the roster at the center postion. we are going to have to bring in another center either from the draft or free agency. Why not bring in an upgrade?

Did you go to Wisconsin or something?
 

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KingTuna said:
Colombo is a first round talent...Pettiti sixth round talent...Being off oen year could be made up in the talent alone...

Can't say it would be worse until we SEE it....

Maybe OR maybe NOT....


LOL I'm sorry but your reasoning is poor. "First round talent"...that doesn't mean jack. Columbo couldn't even stay in the league. How do you know Petiti doesn't have "first round talent" but slipped due to say, getting fat? How is being off a year make you more talented? And you say can't say it could be worse....well that's equally poorly thought out to everything else you said. I've seen a lot worse than Rob Petiti. Remember Solomon Page (I think that was his name). Petiti has done everything he's supposed to do, he just struggle with Micheal Strahan, whom in case you might not realize, is a pretty darn good football player. Yet you don't care about that sort of thing, you'd rather make a change for change's sake.

Anyway, people like you are why I hesitate to associate myself with football fandom.
 

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Haley94 said:
AG is a free agent and will probably not be re-signed. That leaves a hole on the roster at the center postion. we are going to have to bring in another center either from the draft or free agency. Why not bring in an upgrade?

Did you go to Wisconsin or something?

huh? I'm just saying that I don't think it is likely that we'll see any more big spending on the OL. We have 3 guys with HUGE contracts. I can't see us spending on a LeCharles Bentley -- you just can't spend so much all in one place.

I don't love Johnson - frankly I'm bitterly disappointed in his play this year. But I understand free agency and cap management and I know we aren't blowing huge money on a replacement.

Now if there is a nice C-G player in round 2 or 3, that I could see.
 

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LOL I'm sorry but your reasoning is poor. "First round talent"...that doesn't mean jack. Columbo couldn't even stay in the league. How do you know Petiti doesn't have "first round talent" but slipped due to say, getting fat? How is being off a year make you more talented? And you say can't say it could be worse....well that's equally poorly thought out to everything else you said. I've seen a lot worse than Rob Petiti. Remember Solomon Page (I think that was his name). Petiti has done everything he's supposed to do, he just struggle with Micheal Strahan, whom in case you might not realize, is a pretty darn good football player. Yet you don't care about that sort of thing, you'd rather make a change for change's sake.

Anyway, people like you are why I hesitate to associate myself with football fandom.



Buh bye then.



huh? I'm just saying that I don't think it is likely that we'll see any more big spending on the OL. We have 3 guys with HUGE contracts. I can't see us spending on a LeCharles Bentley -- you just can't spend so much all in one place.

I don't love Johnson - frankly I'm bitterly disappointed in his play this year. But I understand free agency and cap management and I know we aren't blowing huge money on a replacement.

Now if there is a nice C-G player in round 2 or 3, that I could see.


I think you're looking at it the wrong way.

1. We DO have the cap space to spend on a "Big time" FA Center.

2. Teams normally have an abundance of money tied up at the QB position. We do not. Therefore we can use that money (that would of been spent on a QB) on a "Big Time" FA Center.
 

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Marc Colombo was drafted in first round (19th pick) by Bears in 2002 and started at RT for first 6 games. In 7th game he seriously injuried his name (including nerve damage). As a result was unable to return until late 2004 when he played in last 2 games of season. Don't think his performance was very good but he did manage to block a field goal. He was cut in 2005 preseason because of salary cap concerns. A Cowfan fan in Chicago posted in here about 2-3 weeks ago that the Bears and their fans were very upset to let Colombo go and they wanted to give him at least another year in effort fully rehab his knee but this was 4th year in his contract and allegedly they made very hard choice. Cowboys signed Colombo early Nov and Colombo stated it was to a 2 year contract and also said Parcells told him we wanted him for the long-term whether it turned out to be this year or next year. Parcells also said in Colombo's kind of injury (nerve damage) it can take 1 1/2-2 years to come back. Parcells must have seen enough to at least activate him (but Pettiti is sure having rookie problems) but Colombo himself is even more of a rookie then Pettiti but as a first round pick he certainly had lot more upfront talent then Pettiti was judged to have on draft day--although in both cases they are workers with great attitude and size. I personally think and have stated often that Pettiti hit a rookie way several weeks ago and can't get any better. How much Colombo can do (at least he isn't worn out) is unknown and I'm not sure no matter how Colombo's plays that we can really evaluate his ability until we see how he comes out of offseason conditioning program with Cowboys. At what we paying him, if he just turns out to be a viable OT backup it will be gravy. And if we are living right and he can return to his legit first round talent, then we have really been living right.
 

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KingTuna said:
Could it really be any worse than what we have now??

Personally, I think Pettiti is in a similar situation Larry Allen was in 10 years ago when he stepped in for Erik Williams. Rod has blocked Dwight Freeney well in college, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

However-we ARE in a tight playoff race. So we definitely need to get a decent RT in there for the time being.

Rod could very well be a stud in the coming years, but he's not in a very good situation at the moment.
 

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Rack said:
Buh bye then.






I think you're looking at it the wrong way.

1. We DO have the cap space to spend on a "Big time" FA Center.

2. Teams normally have an abundance of money tied up at the QB position. We do not. Therefore we can use that money (that would of been spent on a QB) on a "Big Time" FA Center.


Good point Rack! Especially if Parcells wants to play smash mouth football. Better to invest in the oline.
 
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