Who was our biggest loss this offseason?

[OmerV]

I can't believe that people think Dalton Schultz had good hands lol


Guy couldn't catch anything that didn't stick between the 8 and the 6 with any consistency.

His hands are fine. You don't think other TE's have drops?

 

[zrinkill]

For those saying Schultz ...... Compare his stats last year to Wittens in his return year that everyone wanted to run off.

 

[Joe Realist]

Watch it end up being Kellen Moore. Cowboys finish 18th in points and people are wishing for him to be back.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You can be a good pick as a 4th rounder and not a very good player overall.

You can be a good pick as a 1st rounder and not a very good player overall.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

His hands are fine. You don't think other TE's have drops?

"Fine" isn't good.

Schultz had a drop rate of 6.7% last year - that ranked 33rd overall and 5th among TEs.

His hands aren't "fine." In a league full of TEs who can't catch, Schultz is among the worst. And, the fact that TEs have drops is exactly why it's dumb to invest in a TE.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You can be a good pick as a 1st rounder and not a very good player overall.

Nope

 

[big dog cowboy]

Nope

It happens every year.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

It happens every year.

An average to below-average player in the first round is not a good pick.

The process to select that player can be fine, but that doesn't mean it's a hit.

 

[Pantone282C]

The Kicker, Halleluiah.

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[darthseinfeld]

Overall, I don't think they lost much but I would say Carlos Watkins. After watching the Cowboys - Tampa Bay game tonight, I think Watkins was underrated and did a decent job at DT.

Schultz was overrated. Terrible blocker in the run game.

McGovern was good too. He would be a close second to Watkins.

Watkins was a solid utility guy on the DL. I think they are looking at Golston in that role now. Supposedly he was up to 290 last season

 

[conner01]

McGovern but only because he was a known commodity and I'm not really sure what the plan is at LG.

I think that’s a great point. We lost a known really effective TE and a known solid guard. If players step up and do a solid job of replacing them, then we should be fine. We lost the known and replaced with the unknown

 

[jterrell]

I'd probably rank them:

Zeke. He was a reliable short yardage guy (over 80 1st downs the last 2 seasons) and pass blocker even as his burst turned to dust.
--Not sure Dallas has gotten worse at RB but roles do matter and it doesn't seem they have filled his role which the team itself acknowledged before the draft.

Schultz. He was a solid TE that was banged up last year and got a bit of the yips when it really mattered.
--His talent has probably been replaced with Schoon is as good if not better blocker day 1 and Ferg/Hend looks quite capable as Receiving options but his experience hasn't been replaced and it might take a year to get a single player to what Schultz has been for the past 3-4 years.
---Not necessarily end of world if you target TEs less given you added Cooks and again have two WR1 types on the roster. You also have good RB pass catching options.I can attest as a Big 12 opponent tracking Deuce on screens and such sucks!!!

McGovern. He was a slightly below league average OG.
--Solid and you'd like to have him as a 6th OL but very replaceable longer term.

 

[OmerV]

"Fine" isn't good.

Schultz had a drop rate of 6.7% last year - that ranked 33rd overall and 5th among TEs.

His hands aren't "fine." In a league full of TEs who can't catch, Schultz is among the worst. And, the fact that TEs have drops is exactly why it's dumb to invest in a TE.

It was his worst year - who else do we judge exclusively by one off year? Typically his catch % is 70-75%, and it was 64% in this one year.

By the way, WR's have drops too. lol Should we not invest in them either?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

It was his worst year - who else do we judge exclusively by one off year? Typically his catch % is 70-75%, and it was 64% in this one year.

By the way, WR's have drops too. lol Should we not invest in them either?

His catch percentage is irrelevant, that's mostly a QB/system stat.

WRs make big vertical plays in the passing game and open space for other guys. Tight ends don't.

 

[OmerV]

His catch percentage is irrelevant, that's mostly a QB/system stat.

WRs make big vertical plays in the passing game and open space for other guys. Tight ends don't.

The NFL isn't fantasy football. The TE's have a different role than a WR in the offense. And every team uses them. You haven't discovered a revolutionary way to look at offensive football that all NFL coaches have somehow missed.

And, BTW, not all NFL WR's make a lot of "big vertical plays". There is room for WR's (and TE's) to fill different roles in an offense. It's not schoolyard football where plays are set up for everyone to go deep. Guys like Edleman, Welker and many others have been very important players based on being possession receivers who specialize in finding open seems and underneath routes that keep an offense on the field and driving downfield.

And, BTW, if catch % doesn't matter, neither does drop %, because both are calculated based on passes that are considered reasonably catchable.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The NFL isn't fantasy football. The TE's have a different role than a WR in the offense. .

Yes, they have a role that is far less valuable and therefore worth far less draft capital and cap dollars.

 

[OmerV]

Yes, they have a role that is far less valuable and therefore worth far less draft capital and cap dollars.

lol, so you really think you are smarter than every NFL coach and have determined something that nobody in the NFL world can. Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy football mindset.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

lol, so you really think you are smarter than every NFL coach and have determined something that nobody in the NFL world can. Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy football mindset.

Uh, look at NFL salaries and NFL draft records. WRs go earlier and get more money. That's because of positional value.

Coaches and GMs decided that, not me.

 

[OmerV]

Uh, look at NFL salaries and NFL draft records. WRs go earlier and get more money. That's because of positional value.

Coaches and GMs decided that, not me.

You said it was dumb to invest in a TE at all. Coaches did not decide that.

Nor have coaches decided that all WR's are more valuable than all TE's. Granted the elite receivers are higher on the food chain that all but a few TE's, but that isn't across the board.

You also suggested TE's have very little value because they don't make "big vertical plays", while ignoring that they play a different role than WR's, and while also ignoring there have been a lot of very valuable WR's that don't make a lot of "big vertical plays". You don't seem to realize that the positions are all pieces that fit into the plan differently.

 

[Techsass]

I would say Shultz. They have Schooner now, but TEs usually take a few years to become productive. I've seen a lot of posts praising Ferguson & Hendershot, but I can't remember any of their plays off the top of my head.

I think Zeke was a team asset, but wasn't worth the cost anymore.

I was never a fan of McGovern.