Who's more valueable to the team. Dez or DeMarco?

[Sampson]

Tha'ts easy. It's Dez. Give Dez to any starting QB in the league and he is still capable of doing what he has been. Put Demarco behind any o-line in the league and i don't think he will be doing what he has done these first two games.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Dez I think. He's a unique talent while I think RB's are more easily replaceable.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A stud OL is not more important than a stud QB. Indianapolis has an awful OL but still went 11-5 and made the playoffs. Cleveland is what happens when you have a stud OL and an average QB

Romo has been a pretty good QB for many years. You can say that he folds at times, under pressure or what have you but generally, he's been pretty productive. How many playoff trips have we made? How many playoff wins? How many championships have we won since Romo has been here.

A stud QB will not get it done if he doesn't have a good OL in front of him. The difference between a guy like Eli and a guy like Tony are the OL talent IMO. Not saying you have to agree but I am saying that I do not agree with the idea that it's QB. I believe that everything starts with the OL on Offense. Same thing with Defense and the DL IMO.

 

[khiladi]

How about PLAY-CALLING?????

 

[Coy]

Demarco still has to get the yards. Not exactly him running 20 yds downfield in open space and no tackler in sight. Give the guy some credit. If that's the case, then Emmitt too benifited by a great OL. And they did all the work for him.

You got that wrong, of course Demarco deserves credit, he's been great but that was not the question.
We all should agree that he has benefited greatly from our three 1st round OL picks, Dez on the other hand has been great since 2010, you cannot say that about Demarco, he needed that OL, it's not a knock on him, almost all RB need a good OL.
What would be a bigger drop off? From Dez to TWill and Street or from Demarco to Randle and Williams/Dunbar?

 

[Idgit]

I'm actually sort of interested to see how Randle plays with a few more reps. He's really looked a lot quicker and stronger this year, and the few snaps he's gotten, I've had to do a double-take because I thought it was Murray out there. Pass protection aside. I want to have a better sense if what we're seeing is Demarco, or the product of effective zone blocking overall.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

DezMarco

Emmitt or Irvin?

They won games, as I recall, without Irvin.

They didn't do that without Emmitt.


That said it's a toss up here. I'd take Dez if I was forced to choose between the two.

 

[Doomsday101]

They won games, as I recall, without Irvin.

They didn't do that without Emmitt.


That said it's a toss up here. I'd take Dez if I was forced to choose between the two.

I don't see a need to choose, we got both and unlike some I think Dallas will find a way to keep both. Talent wins in this league and these are 2 very talented players who can help this team achieve their goals.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't see a need to choose, we got both and unlike some I think Dallas will find a way to keep both. Talent wins in this league and these are 2 very talented players who can help this team achieve their goals.

I won't be opposed to that provided we don't over pay for Murray who is at a position that quite frankly I don't believe you put big bucks into anymore. That's just me.

 

[TimHortons]

Romo has been a pretty good QB for many years. You can say that he folds at times, under pressure or what have you but generally, he's been pretty productive. How many playoff trips have we made? How many playoff wins? How many championships have we won since Romo has been here.

A stud QB will not get it done if he doesn't have a good OL in front of him. The difference between a guy like Eli and a guy like Tony are the OL talent IMO. Not saying you have to agree but I am saying that I do not agree with the idea that it's QB. I believe that everything starts with the OL on Offense. Same thing with Defense and the DL IMO.

We just played a team with a stud OL and no QB, and we all saw how that went. I mean yes you can't have a completely inept OL, but I'm saying if given the choice of having a stud QB and average lone or stud poker and average QB, I'm taking the stud QB every time.

 

[Doomsday101]

I won't be opposed to that provided we don't over pay for Murray who is at a position that quite frankly I don't believe you put big bucks into anymore. That's just me.

I tend to disagree you win because of talented players be they WR or RB. Seattle proved you don't have to throw a ton to win, they put the ball in the hands of Lynch and won.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I tend to disagree you win because of talented players be they WR or RB. Seattle proved you don't have to throw a ton to win, they put the ball in the hands of Lynch and won.

I can understand that. Completely.

Seattle also managed to get a team together before guys were getting their huge contracts. I don't know what Lynch makes but Wilson was on a rookie deal. As was Kam and Sherman and tons of others. Now they're having to pay those guys and to my knowledge they haven't given Lynch the new contract he wants (i could have missed if they did).

Dallas isn't in that situation with big money tied up in their LT, QB, and CB and with a WR and RB that are about to want big money. if i have to give big money to Dez or Murray it's going to Dez and I roll my dice that I can get another running back, or two, who can run effectively for me behind the o-line they're building.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can understand that. Completely.

Seattle also managed to get a team together before guys were getting their huge contracts. I don't know what Lynch makes but Wilson was on a rookie deal. As was Kam and Sherman and tons of others. Now they're having to pay those guys and to my knowledge they haven't given Lynch the new contract he wants (i could have missed if they did).

Dallas isn't in that situation with big money tied up in their LT, QB, and CB and with a WR and RB that are about to want big money. if i have to give big money to Dez or Murray it's going to Dez and I roll my dice that I can get another running back, or two, who can run effectively for me behind the o-line they're building.

I think freeing money up that was paid out to aging vets will help Dallas get into a position where we can get both signed. No doubt you can get another RB but like any position not all RB are equal, it is talent that separates them. We will have to wait and see how it all plays out but will not be shocked at all to get both guys under contract.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We just played a team with a stud OL and no QB, and we all saw how that went. I mean yes you can't have a completely inept OL, but I'm saying if given the choice of having a stud QB and average lone or stud poker and average QB, I'm taking the stud QB every time.

We just played a team with a decent OL and a QB who played bad. You can't win in the NFL with bad QB play but that's different then even decent QB play. When the QB play was decent with Tennessee, they scored 10 points in like 4 minutes. You can't win without competent players at all positions but the point I am trying to make is that you can have really good talent at WR/RB and QB but if you don't have good OL play, it won't matter. On the other hand, if you have Great OL play, you can have decent talent at other offensive positions (not All Pro) and still do very well. Turn it around. We beat a team who had a dominating game against KC the week before with a QB who is not playing very well, Dez not having a great game because we were able to dominate the OL with our Offensive Line and utilize or backs.

 

[jday]

At their best,who offers more to the Cowboys?

The trouble with questions like this is that they are both made better by each other's presence on the field. Dez commanded double-coverage most of the day against the Titans, which obviously afforded Murray more holes. When the Titans attempted to address the leak Murray kept exploiting, Dez showed up in a big way. But if I had to choose, I think you have to keep Dez over Demarco for the simple fact that Dez will likely have the longer career, given the physical run style of Murray.

 

[KJJ]

Seattle proved you don't have to throw a ton to win, they put the ball in the hands of Lynch and won.

Seattle had one of the greatest defenses in NFL history last season allowing them to put the ball in the hands of Lynch and not having Wilson have to throw a ton. The Seahawks are an old school team that you rarely see in todays game. Until last Sunday the Cowboys were 0-3 in Murray's last 3 hundred yard performances.

Last season vs Chicago Murray rushed for 146 yards averaging 8.1 per carry and the Cowboys got blown out by 17 points. You would have to go back a number of years to find a game the Cowboys lost that decisively having a runner put up over 140 yards averaging 8 yards per carry.

 

[Doomsday101]

Seattle had one of the greatest defenses in NFL history last season allowing them to put the ball in the hands of Lynch and not having Wilson have to throw a ton. The Seahawks are an old school team that you rarely see in todays game. Until last Sunday the Cowboys were 0-3 in Murray's last 3 hundred yard performances.

Last season vs Chicago Murray rushed for 146 yards averaging 8.1 per carry and the Cowboys got blown out by 17 points. You would have to go back a number of years to find a game the Cowboys lost that decisively having a runner put up over 140 yards averaging 8 yards per carry.

I'm not saying Dallas is equal to Seahawks but I would rather build a team who will hit you in the face and physically beat the hell out of you. I also want to see Dallas as a well-rounded offense who can attack when you pull guys up to stop the run. Bottom line there is more than 1 way to win in the NFL

 

[tyke1doe]

Everyone who's picking Murray over Dez are just living in the moment let's wait until the end of the season. This topic has never even come up before until now. It's FANS living in the moment.

Most posters seem to be interpreting this on a player value level. Player to player, Dez is way better than Murray. We can several backs, plug them in, and we'll have a Murray. But you can't do that with Dez. Dez is one of the best receivers in the league.

However ... if we interpret the comparison as a system vs. system comparison, i.e., which player best represents the system we need to play to effectively win, then it's Murray. We're not going to win consistently throwing the ball to Dez or feeding him touches. We CAN win feeding the ball to Murray.

As spectacular as Dez is, wide receivers really don't take teams over the top. Running backs - and a running game - do. We just have too many examples of this, including last year's Super Bowl. So it would benefit the Cowboys greatly to run this offense not through Dez but through DeMarco.

 

[KJJ]

I'm not saying Dallas is equal to Seahawks but I would rather build a team who will hit you in the face and physically beat the hell out of you. I also want to see Dallas as a well-rounded offense who can attack when you pull guys up to stop the run. Bottom line there is more than 1 way to win in the NFL

I'm sure most organizations in the league would like to build a team like that but most of it comes down to luck just look how Seattle was built. They traded a 4th and a 6th round pick to Buffalo and got one of the best RB's in the league in Lynch. Take him out of the equation and Seattle wouldn't be as good a team. They drafted Richard Sherman in the 5th round and he's developed into arguably the top CB in the league. The Seahawks found a franchise QB in the 3rd round in 2012 in a draft that saw two of the highest rated QB's in years taken with the first two picks. Acquiring all the pieces and putting it together into a great team requires a lot of luck. Carroll's success at USC was due to his QB's/WR's/offense. He won championships with offense in college and defense in the NFL.

The great Steelers teams of the 70's were built primarily off of one unbelievably great draft in 74 that landed them 4 future HOF players. You have to play to your strength whether it be passing, running, defense or a combination of the three. Seattle's great defense allows them to run the ball and manage Wilson. Every organization/HC has a plan of what type of team they want to build but it comes down to the players they have and playing to their strengths. Don Shula had a run oriented offense that threw very few passes in the early 70's because he played to the strength of his personnel which was his backs and defense. I doubt he had any intension of building a pass happy team in the mid 80's but he played to the strength of his team which was his QB and WR's.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm sure most organizations in the league would like to build a team like that but most of it comes down to luck just look how Seattle was built. They traded a 4th and a 6th round pick to Buffalo and got one of the best RB's in the league in Lynch. Take him out of the equation and Seattle wouldn't be as good a team. They drafted Richard Sherman in the 5th round and he's developed into arguably the top CB in the league. The Seahawks found a franchise QB in the 3rd round in 2012 in a draft that saw two of the highest rated QB's in years taken with the first two picks. Acquiring all the pieces and putting it together into a great team requires a lot of luck. Carroll's success at USC was due to his QB's/WR's/offense. He won championships with offense in college and defense in the NFL.

The great Steelers teams of the 70's were built primarily off of one unbelievably great draft in 74 that landed them 4 future HOF players. You have to play to your strength whether it be passing, running, defense or a combination of the three. Seattle's great defense allows them to run the ball and manage Wilson. Every organization/HC has a plan of what type of team they want to build but it comes down to the players you have and playing to their strengths. Don Shula had a run oriented offense that threw very few passes in the early 70's because he played to the strength of his personnel which was his backs and defense. I doubt he had any intension of building a pass happy team in the mid 80's but he played to the strength of his team which was his QB and WR's.

It may take some luck I also think it takes vision on what you are trying to build.