Who's the better Jones brother?

[AdamJT13]

And J. Jones doesnt get the short yardage opportunities why ?

Marion Barber. You know, the guy who led the NFC in rushing touchdowns.

And when Julius did get third-and-short opportunites, he converted every time.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Marion Barber. You know, the guy who led the NFC in rushing touchdowns.

And when Julius did get third-and-short opportunites, he converted every time.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You didnt see Tomlinson coming out of goal line or short situations, unless he ran for 20 yards or more on the previous play.

3 freakin' times ? Whiptee-doo. Romo or Bledsoe probably could have pulled the QB sneak off equally as well in tose situation.

I would take Thomas over Julius, and wouldnt have to look up their respective numbers, just watch them play.

 

[AdamJT13]

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You didnt see Tomlinson coming out of goal line or short situations, unless he ran for 20 yards or more on the previous play.

Who is comparing anyone to Tomlinson?

I would take Thomas over Julius, and wouldnt have to look up their respective numbers, just watch them play.

Good for you, but Julius is better. And younger. And he'll still be better in the future.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Who is comparing anyone to Tomlinson?




Good for you, but Julius is better. And younger. And he'll still be better in the future.

Oh my. :bang2:

1. You are using "numbers" that compare RBs in the NFL, are you not ? The Jones brothers and Tomlinson are part of that grouping.

2. Julius is better based on his "numbers" ? Have you watched their games at all ?

Is Mo Jo-Drew better because he is younger and more productive ? Or are you going to tell me Julius is still better because of number X, number Y, and number Z ?

Its a double edged sword Adam.

 

[AdamJT13]

Oh my. :bang2:

1. You are using "numbers" that compare RBs in the NFL, are you not ? The Jones brothers and Tomlinson are part of that grouping.

2. Julius is better based on his "numbers" ? Have you watched their games at all ?

Is Mo Jo-Drew better because he is younger and more productive ? Or are you going to tell me Julius is still better because of number X, number Y, and number Z ?

Its a double edged sword Adam.

What are you talking about????

What does Tomlinson have to do with this thread? What does Maurice Jones-Drew have to do with this thread?

This thread is about two players -- Julius and Thomas Jones. That's it. Nobody is discussing anyone else. So if you have anything relevant to share, please do.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Out of the 59 players who carried the ball at least 60 times this season,

I posted Julius' numbers -- 17 plays with a broken tackle, which ranked him 17th in the NFL. And he had a higher percentage of runs with a broken tackle than three guys ahead of him; they just had more carries. Of the 32 running backs with the most carries, Julius was a little better than average -- 15th -- at breaking tackles. Thomas was the worst.

I would guess you may have brought up other rushers.

My guess is Vick easily had over 60 carries considering he had over 1000 yards rushing (and its typical of him).

Why bring a QB into the fold ?

We are talking RBs.

Arent we ?

 

[CATCH17]

Julius is much better in year 3 of his career than Thomas in year 3 of his.

I dont have any numbers to back me up but Thomas was not very good in Arizona and he was avg at Tampa.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Julius is much better in year 3 of his career than Thomas in year 3 of his.

I dont have any numbers to back me up but Thomas was not very good in Arizona and he was avg at Tampa.

And Favre didnt even complete a pass in a Falcons uniform, Trent Green had one good year as a Commanders QB after 5 years (2 with the Chargers) with 1 pass attempt (yea, he missed it), etc. The list could go on and on.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Well Thomas Jones was one of the more highly recruited players coming out of high school in the nation so he had more talent.....

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Well Thomas Jones was one of the more highly recruited players coming out of high school in the nation so he had more talent.....

Plenty of HS superstars dont even make it to the NFL.

Think about (as Adam would do) the numbers.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Plenty of HS superstars dont even make it to the NFL.

Think about (as Adam would do) the numbers.

Ok true but he made it so that point really doesn't apply here...

 

[step]

The answer is: Stephen Jackson. Oh, wait, that's the answer to who who should have drafted instead of JJ.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

More yards, first downs and touchdowns are the result of opportunities, not ability -- Julius had the same average per carry as Thomas, and he had a much higher average per catch. Thomas had 21 of his first downs on third or fourth down; Julius had only three carries all season on third or fourth down (and converted on all three). On first and second downs, Julius had a higher YPC, more first downs and a higher first-down percentage.

And it doesn't take "home run" ability to run for 20 yards. Thomas' longest run all season was 30 yards, and he scored only one touchdown longer than 7 yards. Julius had three runs longer than Thomas' longest, including a 77-yarder, and only one of his touchdown runs was shorter than 14 yards. And we hardly used Julius as a receiver, but he had three catches longer than Thomas' longest catch.

In the playoffs, against the same defense, Thomas rushed 21 times for 66 yards, with a long run of 9 yards. Julius rushed 22 times for 112, including a 35-yarder.

There's no way I'd take Thomas over Julius.

good GAWD

somebody call Special Victims unit, JSNTO just got raped

 

[Bob Sacamano]

To me - it's simply a matter of watching both players.

now, if you were an NFL scout, or someone paid you for your evaluations, I would agree w/ you, but not over facts man, esp. when there's a litany of them

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You didnt see Tomlinson coming out of goal line or short situations, unless he ran for 20 yards or more on the previous play.

maybe because Marion Barber is just plain better in short-yardage and red-zone situations? it's been well-documented by Bill that he wanted JJ to be more physical, yards after contact etc. this year, but he wasn't, that was MBIII, so the physical role of short-yardage went to him instead of JJ, the same situation in San Diego, LT is just plain better in short-yardage and goalline situations than any back on the roster, so he keeps those duties

and there's no shame in it, since Barber is one of the best red-zone backs in the game, obviously

but according to your theory, Tiki Barber is a sham because he was normally being replaced by Brandon Jacobs near the goalline, causing Tiki to have only 1 rushing TD in 10 games?

 

[burmafrd]

Early in the game they had Turner in on a 3rd and short, and the announcers claimed that he was considered better at inside running and on 3rd and short.

 

[Bleu Star]

No question about it. I think he's put on too much weight. Something Bill asked him to do.

Bingo!

 

[burmafrd]

Bill did not ask him - he TOLD him to bulk up.

 

[CATCH17]

And Favre didnt even complete a pass in a Falcons uniform, Trent Green had one good year as a Commanders QB after 5 years (2 with the Chargers) with 1 pass attempt (yea, he missed it), etc. The list could go on and on.

All im saying is Julius reminds me a lot of Tiki Barber early in his career.

Tiki didn't become a great player until about 3 years ago... Up until then he was pretty much the exact same back Julius is.

Julius will get better, and better and eventually turn into something really really good for us.

I love our 2 back system cause it works.

 

[Deputy493]

Which Jones brother is still playing?

There's your answer.