Who's the better Jones brother?

[Rampage]

Is what we are witnessing here today simply a difference of Thomas having a better offensive line in front of him or could it run a little deeper? Could Julius be wasting away playing for a head coach that doesn't believe in letting his players and coaches play or scheme to bring out the best in their abilities?

i saw an interview where thomas said he thought julius was better than himself

 

[Bleu Star]

i saw an interview where thomas said he thought julius was better than himself

Refer to post #58 in this thread. I agree with the poster.

 

[Aikbach]

The better Jones brother? Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones Jr. does squat for the franchise.

 

[BigDFan5]

Thomas had more yards (both recieving and running),

Receiving is obvious since he is on the field on 3rd down which is usually a receving down, as for rushing yards he also had 30 more carries to get to 1210, using JJ's ypc and giving him the same amount of carries JJ finishes with 1203 yards so there is a 7 yad difference

more first downs

He had 44 more touches on 3rd or 4th down, think that may make up a difference?

more touchdowns

Think maybe that had anything to do with barber who we bring in when we are inside the 10? You know the guy that has 15 TDs

and only one fewer rush over 20 yards than the supposed home run hitter.

So he has less 20+ yard carries on alot more carries, plus his long is 30 yards compared to JJ's 77 and this is a good point for TJ?

 

[AdamJT13]

Thats all well and good if you want to win the Super Bowl of tackle breaking.
Thomas had more yards (both recieving and running), more first downs, more touchdowns and only one fewer rush over 20 yards than the supposed home run hitter.

More yards, first downs and touchdowns are the result of opportunities, not ability -- Julius had the same average per carry as Thomas, and he had a much higher average per catch. Thomas had 21 of his first downs on third or fourth down; Julius had only three carries all season on third or fourth down (and converted on all three). On first and second downs, Julius had a higher YPC, more first downs and a higher first-down percentage.

And it doesn't take "home run" ability to run for 20 yards. Thomas' longest run all season was 30 yards, and he scored only one touchdown longer than 7 yards. Julius had three runs longer than Thomas' longest, including a 77-yarder, and only one of his touchdown runs was shorter than 14 yards. And we hardly used Julius as a receiver, but he had three catches longer than Thomas' longest catch.

In the playoffs, against the same defense, Thomas rushed 21 times for 66 yards, with a long run of 9 yards. Julius rushed 22 times for 112, including a 35-yarder.

There's no way I'd take Thomas over Julius.

 

[Cochese]

More yards, first downs and touchdowns are the result of opportunities, not ability -- Julius had the same average per carry as Thomas, and he had a much higher average per catch. Thomas had 21 of his first downs on third or fourth down; Julius had only three carries all season on third or fourth down (and converted on all three). On first and second downs, Julius had a higher YPC, more first downs and a higher first-down percentage.

And it doesn't take "home run" ability to run for 20 yards. Thomas' longest run all season was 30 yards, and he scored only one touchdown longer than 7 yards. Julius had three runs longer than Thomas' longest, including a 77-yarder, and only one of his touchdown runs was shorter than 14 yards. And we hardly used Julius as a receiver, but he had three catches longer than Thomas' longest catch.

In the playoffs, against the same defense, Thomas rushed 21 times for 66 yards, with a long run of 9 yards. Julius rushed 22 times for 112, including a 35-yarder.

There's no way I'd take Thomas over Julius.

TJ had what 29 extra carries over the year? Its not that big of a difference. He was also getting rotated with Cedric Benson who actually had MORE attempts than Marion Barber cutting into potential statistical production.

 

[Rampage]

TJ had what 29 extra carries over the year? Its not that big of a difference. He was also getting rotated with Cedric Benson who actually had MORE attempts than Marion Barber cutting into potential statistical production.

your name and avatar are so funny

 

[AdamJT13]

TJ had what 29 extra carries over the year? Its not that big of a difference.

It's not the number of carries (although that's the only reason Thomas had more yards), it's when the carries come. Give Julius more carries in short yardage and inside the 5, and he'd have more first downs and touchdowns, too.

Like I said, on first and second downs, Julius had a higher YPC, more first downs and a higher first-down percentage. But on third downs, we put Barber in to try picking up the first down. The Bears left Thomas in most of the time in those situations (37 carries to Julius' 3). It was the same when we got near the goal line. Barber got those carries.

 

[Cochese]

It's not the number of carries (although that's the only reason Thomas had more yards), it's when the carries come. Give Julius more carries in short yardage and inside the 5, and he'd have more first downs and touchdowns, too.

Like I said, on first and second downs, Julius had a higher YPC, more first downs and a higher first-down percentage. But on third downs, we put Barber in to try picking up the first down. The Bears left Thomas in most of the time in those situations (37 carries to Julius' 3). It was the same when we got near the goal line. Barber got those carries.

Could it be the Bears leave TJ in on goalline situations because he is a more dependable and complete player? No, never, it couldnt be.

 

[burmafrd]

Give it up. No one will consider anything you post as anything but ND hate and nothing else.

 

[Cochese]

Give it up. No one will consider anything you post as anything but ND hate and nothing else.

Yea, that post about JJ having more broken tackles but the same YPC as his brother really convinced me to his superiority.....


You are really grasping for straws if the only statistic you can use to prove a players superiority is broken tackles.

 

[Sarge]

Could it be the Bears leave TJ in on goalline situations because he is a more dependable and complete player? No, never, it couldnt be.

To me - it's simply a matter of watching both players. If given the chance, I'd take Thomas over Julius - period.

Some may disagree, but when I see Thomas play, I see a guy with more fire and determination. No, he's not substantially better than Julius, but I'd choose him over JJ if given the opportunity.

 

[Cochese]

To me - it's simply a matter of watching both players. If given the chance, I'd take Thomas over Julius - period.

Some may disagree, but when I see Thomas play, I see a guy with more fire and determination. No, he's not substantially better than Julius, but I'd choose him over JJ if given the opportunity.

Did you see the way he practically saved the day for the Bears when he made a flying swat on a tipped Grossman pass? Probably the play of the day that no one is talking about.

 

[Sarge]

Did you see the way he practically saved the day for the Bears when he made a flying swat on a tipped Grossman pass? Probably the play of the day that no one is talking about.

Yep -excellent play. He just seems to move more fluidly than Julius. Julius looks like he's ravaged with arthritis. Very stiff.

 

[burmafrd]

JJ might have muscled up too much. He was certainly more fluid as a rookie.

 

[AdamJT13]

Could it be the Bears leave TJ in on goalline situations because he is a more dependable and complete player? No, never, it couldnt be.

No, it's because Barber is one of the best goal-line backs in the league. And Julius averaged more yards per carry inside the 10 and inside the 20 than Thomas did.

Again, opportunity does not equal ability.

 

[Sarge]

JJ might have muscled up too much. He was certainly more fluid as a rookie.

No question about it. I think he's put on too much weight. Something Bill asked him to do.

 

[AdamJT13]

Yea, that post about JJ having more broken tackles but the same YPC as his brother really convinced me to his superiority.....


You are really grasping for straws if the only statistic you can use to prove a players superiority is broken tackles.

That's hardly the "only" statistic -- I've already posted lots of others in this thread, and I could post even more. I posted the part about broken tackles because Thomas Jones was the league's WORST starting running back at breaking tackles. That says a lot about how much of his yardage was because of his line.

Average yards after contact -- Julius 1.90, Thomas 1.76

 

[Sarge]

Average yards after contact -- Julius 1.90, Thomas 1.76

That's only because Julius is taller.............

 

[SkinsandTerps]

And J. Jones doesnt get the short yardage opportunities why ?