Why all the trade Barber talk?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This isnt madden we cant have a probowler at every position and their backups be probowlers to dude. Anyway Barber isnt playing like he should. You keep saying how well he did but both of his backups out played him. You say that there is no garuntee that jones and choice will be healthy but there is no garuntee for barber either. He is injured more then jones and choice. If we can get a top notch CB we can move one of our cbs to FS and that gets rid of a need then we use the pick we would have used on a Safety or CB to grab a RB. He would be a 3rd string back and we wouldnt have to rely on him to much.

aha, now we are getting to the meat of the matter...quote " barber isn't playing like he should"....then how should he play? last I checked, I see a RB that got over 900 yards and 4.4 ypc. what's your idea of how he should be playing?

is there a yard per dollar stat that you are going to create?

and I still don't get how choice out played barber?

and like I said in the other responses, Jones has spent more time injured in his first two years in the league than barber his entire career. don't make up stories and lies to back up your stance. present facts. and that's what you have failed to do.

its your opinion that choice has out played barber, but you failed to present any facts (and please no madden fantasy projections).

its your opinion that barber has been injured more often than jones...again facts presented revealed that's not the case.


and you talk about moving players from one position to another. which CB is going to move to FS? and will he be better option than what's there now. hey while we are at it why don't we move roy williams to TE position, trade bennett for a pack of cigars, move phillips to FB, move adams inside to guard since adams is so good at run blocking...I am just fantasizing like you dude.

you are just rambling on about some fantasy to get rid of barber, because you don't like barber. in your opinion, he is not living up to your expectations so you want the grass on the other side, because its greener.

what will be gained by getting rid of barber? you have failed to explain that. if barber sucks and choice out performs him in camp, and cvhoice moves up to #2 RB...then so be it....we have barber as the 3rd back. we use a platoon RB by committee anyway and FJ has been injured every year in the league...now you have insurance instead of some unknown rookie, having wasted a draft pick on a player with so many other needs.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

well, nothing I have read here in this thread disturbs me. I will agree that if we can keep Barber on the team, then so be it. Just think his role needs to be adjusted so that the better backs (Felix and choice) get more time with the ball and we did see some of that in the Philly game when Barber spent alot of time on the sideline.

choice is not the better back. but then that's your opinion, but not a fact. coaches think barber is the better back. can't argue with the results.

I am fine with MBIII playing as he has been a player in the past but it has to be obvious to everyone that he doesn't play with the same passion as he did the first few years. Does this mean he cannot contribute? no, just need to utilize the most out of all three backs, and no longer should a player's role be dependant on team loyalty because of what he has done in the past, but rather what he does in the present. Like the philly game when they benched MBIII because he could not produce, they put in more felix and choice and got much more production in the running game..

which philly game? the first one, where he was the leading rusher in the game? had the longest run from scrimmage and boasted the best ypc of the three
Philly game 1 barber 12 for 50 long of 16(4.2), jones 4 for 10 long of 4(2.5), choice 3 for 13 long of 9 (4.1)


or the second philly game where cowboys were kicking eagles arse and blowing them out and yet coaches decided not to give choice any carries.

philly game 2 barber 14 for 91 long of 32(6.5), jones 15 for 91 long of 49 (6), choice 0 for 0

dude, don't make up stories. makes you look bad.

To say we should keep MBIII on the team, I am good with that and can understand a Cowboy fan arguing for that, but when a fan says oh we must keep MBIII but its ok if you trade away Choice for some TO-wannabe CB - then I have some serious doubts as to the football knowledge of those fans.

dude, you just questioned your own knowledge if you think choice is the better back.

Right now, team loyalty and money invested keeps MBIII as our starter, but the true order of our RBs is:

1. Felix Jones
2. Tashard Choice
3. MBIII

Is MBIII a starter on quite a few other teams? of course, and that is the luxury we have and a good one to have. him being overpaid keeps him here.

My question in my last post in this thread concerned the ability of the coaches to keep all three RBs happy enough to stay. If the answer is no, then we must atleast make the top two happy enough to stay, so for me that would mean make Felix and choice happy and MBIII can relegate whatever role the cowboys give him until his contract is up.

coaches don't have to keep anybody happy. coaches didn't need to keep choice happy, obvious from his diminished role as the season went on. he had 14 carries in the final 8 games, compared to 50 in the first 8 games. for what ever reason coaches didn't trust him any longer.

mostly because Barber and Jones were healthier. both of them are more trustable and bring more to the table than choice.

I think choice is a good luxuary to have, he keeps things going in case one of the other two gets injured. he is a good short term answer, but doesn't bring anything special to the table. in his role on this team he is perfect and if we can fetch a CB, like everyone thinks we could, then heck why not

 

[evarc]

aha, now we are getting to the meat of the matter...quote " barber isn't playing like he should"....then how should he play? last I checked, I see a RB that got over 900 yards and 4.4 ypc. what's your idea of how he should be playing?

is there a yard per dollar stat that you are going to create?

and I still don't get how choice out played barber?

and like I said in the other responses, Jones has spent more time injured in his first two years in the league than barber his entire career. don't make up stories and lies to back up your stance. present facts. and that's what you have failed to do.

its your opinion that choice has out played barber, but you failed to present any facts (and please no madden fantasy projections).

its your opinion that barber has been injured more often than jones...again facts presented revealed that's not the case.


and you talk about moving players from one position to another. which CB is going to move to FS? and will he be better option than what's there now. hey while we are at it why don't we move roy williams to TE position, trade bennett for a pack of cigars, move phillips to FB, move adams inside to guard since adams is so good at run blocking...I am just fantasizing like you dude.

you are just rambling on about some fantasy to get rid of barber, because you don't like barber. in your opinion, he is not living up to your expectations so you want the grass on the other side, because its greener.

what will be gained by getting rid of barber? you have failed to explain that. if barber sucks and choice out performs him in camp, and cvhoice moves up to #2 RB...then so be it....we have barber as the 3rd back. we use a platoon RB by committee anyway and FJ has been injured every year in the league...now you have insurance instead of some unknown rookie, having wasted a draft pick on a player with so many other needs.

I had no expectations for Barber... I said we should not give him an extension 2 years ago. I thought we should have traded him back then when he was most valuable. I didnt expect him to stay healthy or perfom at a high level all year as a starter.
Its not about not liking him its about what else we need. For all I know he is a nice guy but he just isnt needed here. He doesnt make or break the team as some of you would have us believe. He has been in decline since taking over the #1 spot and takes snaps away from other players who have a higher per carry percentage.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I had no expectations for Barber... I said we should not give him an extension 2 years ago. I thought we should have traded him back then when he was most valuable. I didnt expect him to stay healthy or perfom at a high level all year as a starter.
Its not about not liking him its about what else we need. For all I know he is a nice guy but he just isnt needed here. He doesnt make or break the team as some of you would have us believe. He has been in decline since taking over the #1 spot and takes snaps away from other players who have a higher per carry percentage.

now you are coming around. 2 years ago. is 2 years ago. in fact 2 years ago I wanted turner and not barber (for those who might think I am a barber apologist or supporter). I argued for signing turner vehemently. both had low milage but turner brought more to the table. ran better between the tackles and had the long speed. but that's water under the bridge.

I want to deal with here and now.

I don't think choice will have the same ypc if he was made into a fulltime player and teams focused on stopping him. we have seen that happen over and over and over and over again with all the RBs in the league. even turner had gaudy stats in SD and once he got to atlanta he couldn't carry the same YPC. getting carries in limited action and in gimmiky formations doesn't mean squat. turner was the same way. hambrick was the same way. barber was the same way. sproles was the same way. on and on and on..... when teams don't prepare for you, you have a better chance of succeeding. when there is not a lot of film on you, you have a better chance of succeeding. but once you have to carry the full load and you been in the league for a couple of years, its whole different ball of wax.

choice doesn't bring anything special to the table. he doesn't have speed of jones, nor toughness of barber. he is a good back, but will never anything special.

the other point being that as you have knocked barber over and over again, you never mentioned what you excpect to get in return. cutting him outright would be totally stupid. so the question is what do we get in return?

if choice is better, and the combination of barber and jones translates to over 1600 rushing yards, then lets trade choice either for a higher draft pick (since you think so highly of him) or get a better player in trade.

now, I also tend to trust the coaches. choice got 14 carries in the last 8 games of the season and had 1 carry the last two games. there must be a reason.

barber and jones' production increased towards the end of the year, when they both got healthier. it was clear from barber's YPC and production that right after the giants game, he wasn't healthy.

barber is got another couple of years left in him. choice is nothing special and like you said you can get RBs in the mid rounds to replace players like choice. if choice has a trade value (as you put it), then lets trade him and get a player in draft that fills a need like OL, Saftey, CB, DT, MLB, FB all of which a higher priority need than RB.

so what do you expect to get in return for Barber?
What do you expect to get in return for Choice?

 

[BrassCowboy]

Well, I believe we missed the boat when MBIII had value, but now is too expensive to trade away.

I like MBIII, but I do not think he is the home run hitter hence he needs a 2nd RB to help this team succeed. Can't argue with history, coaches, and football analysts on that one.

Felix, better back all around than the other two. If he can stay healthy, he can do it all himself, but this league is a run by committee league now, so....

Choice has the potential, leadership, and skills to be "the back", just a lack of opportunities due to crowded backfield.

Don't give me stats, stats can be misleading....

all that being said, not sure if we even need to be talking about getting rid of any RB yet as they are all signed this year and MB III has a couple more years in him so let me not waste anymore time arguing a moot point with the exception being that we should not trade away Choice for some headcase CB.
We will not trade Choice, write it down, book it, and remember that. Coaches agree with me on that one.

 

[Thomas82]

Having three guys takes away from all three. Jones isn't touching the ball enough. Choice isn't touching the ball enough. Nobody can get into a groove and Barber makes way too much money to be the third best back on the team.

I couldn't have said that better myself.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

aha, now we are getting to the meat of the matter...quote " barber isn't playing like he should"....then how should he play? last I checked, I see a RB that got over 900 yards and 4.4 ypc. what's your idea of how he should be playing?

is there a yard per dollar stat that you are going to create?

and I still don't get how choice out played barber?

and like I said in the other responses, Jones has spent more time injured in his first two years in the league than barber his entire career. don't make up stories and lies to back up your stance. present facts. and that's what you have failed to do.

its your opinion that choice has out played barber, but you failed to present any facts (and please no madden fantasy projections).

its your opinion that barber has been injured more often than jones...again facts presented revealed that's not the case.


and you talk about moving players from one position to another. which CB is going to move to FS? and will he be better option than what's there now. hey while we are at it why don't we move roy williams to TE position, trade bennett for a pack of cigars, move phillips to FB, move adams inside to guard since adams is so good at run blocking...I am just fantasizing like you dude.

you are just rambling on about some fantasy to get rid of barber, because you don't like barber. in your opinion, he is not living up to your expectations so you want the grass on the other side, because its greener.

what will be gained by getting rid of barber? you have failed to explain that. if barber sucks and choice out performs him in camp, and cvhoice moves up to #2 RB...then so be it....we have barber as the 3rd back. we use a platoon RB by committee anyway and FJ has been injured every year in the league...now you have insurance instead of some unknown rookie, having wasted a draft pick on a player with so many other needs.

You keep pummeling this poor dude. LOL

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

aha, now we are getting to the meat of the matter...quote " barber isn't playing like he should"....then how should he play? last I checked, I see a RB that got over 900 yards and 4.4 ypc. what's your idea of how he should be playing?

is there a yard per dollar stat that you are going to create?

and I still don't get how choice out played barber?

and like I said in the other responses, Jones has spent more time injured in his first two years in the league than barber his entire career. don't make up stories and lies to back up your stance. present facts. and that's what you have failed to do.

its your opinion that choice has out played barber, but you failed to present any facts (and please no madden fantasy projections).

its your opinion that barber has been injured more often than jones...again facts presented revealed that's not the case.


and you talk about moving players from one position to another. which CB is going to move to FS? and will he be better option than what's there now. hey while we are at it why don't we move roy williams to TE position, trade bennett for a pack of cigars, move phillips to FB, move adams inside to guard since adams is so good at run blocking...I am just fantasizing like you dude.

you are just rambling on about some fantasy to get rid of barber, because you don't like barber. in your opinion, he is not living up to your expectations so you want the grass on the other side, because its greener.

what will be gained by getting rid of barber? you have failed to explain that. if barber sucks and choice out performs him in camp, and cvhoice moves up to #2 RB...then so be it....we have barber as the 3rd back. we use a platoon RB by committee anyway and FJ has been injured every year in the league...now you have insurance instead of some unknown rookie, having wasted a draft pick on a player with so many other needs.

4.4 YPC is pretty terrible especially considering our OL and passing attack. Teams focus on stopping the pass agains tus and that 4.4 went for 26th in the league. Thats pretty mediocre and while I don't think that we should just jettison him, once RB start to decline they tend to continue that trend.

Its not like this is Marcus Allen we are talking about here.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

4.4 YPC is pretty terrible especially considering our OL and passing attack. Teams focus on stopping the pass agains tus and that 4.4 went for 26th in the league. Thats pretty mediocre and while I don't think that we should just jettison him, once RB start to decline they tend to continue that trend.

Its not like this is Marcus Allen we are talking about here.

26th in the league, perhaps. But the league consists of a whole bunch of guys sharing carries. So you're not really factoring in how many carries and how they compare in terms of how many carries each back had. You're also not considering that Barber averaged 4.4 yards per carry while injured. And you're forgetting that FJ was injured the year before. But as soon as you start giving choice or Jones as many carries as Barber, then I can almost guarantee you their ypc will decrease rather than increase.

It's interesting how people don't get how when Barber takes the bulk of the load then of course he's not going to have the highest ypc on a team. Its because of him that our other backs have such a high ypc, because they don't have to take the pounding and Choice and Felix have come in late in the game, after Barber has established the run and worn the defense down.

That's not how every game has gone, but that was what we saw almost all year long this year.

 

[dreghorn2]

'what will be gained by getting rid of barber? you have failed to explain that.'

What we get by cutting Barber is salary cap relief going forward from 2010.

There would be no monetary benefit for 2010 certainly.. but a new labor agreement will include a salary cap and 2010 allows teams to get out from under bad contracts before it becomes a future cap concern.

I believe Barber will not be a Dallas Cowboy in 2010.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

'what will be gained by getting rid of barber? you have failed to explain that.'

What we get by cutting Barber is salary cap relief going forward from 2010.

There would be no monetary benefit for 2010 certainly.. but a new labor agreement will include a salary cap and 2010 allows teams to get out from under bad contracts before it becomes a future cap concern.

I believe Barber will not be a Dallas Cowboy in 2010.

Absurd.

2010 is the year we go for all the marbles. Cutting ties with Barber doesn't help us; it hurts us unless we find someone who can equal his production for the duration of an entire season.

Who do you think is a candidate to fill his shoes?

 

[CF74]

Barber Would Be Tough To Trade
Posted by jellis at 2/17/2010 12:22 PM CST


Now that the Antonio Cromartie rumors have resurfaced - that the Chargers are looking for a running back, and the Cowboys seem to have plenty of them - it seems a chorus is building among people who would ship Marion Barber to San Diego for the former Pro Bowl cornerback.

Barber might be difficult to trade, however, if the Cowboys even wanted to do so. Jerry Jones would still have to pay the remaining portion of the guaranteed $16 million on his 2008 contract extension. In these financial times, it's probably not prudent to pay a still-effective player while not getting anything out of him.

And if San Diego or another team were after one of the Cowboys' running backs, wouldn't they demand the younger, cheaper Tashard Choice, who should have more tread remaining on the tires, and no history of injury the last two years?

So while a swap for Cromartie would make some sense for the Cowboys, especially since Wade Phillips was the defensive coordinator in San Diego when they drafted the cornerback in 2006, it's tough to envision the deal going down like it appears a lot of you would prefer.

And remember, the Final 8 Rule has implications in trades, too. If the Cowboys acquired someone like Cromartie and signed him to a big-money deal - over $5.7 million-ish in the first year - they wouldn't be able to bring in another player at that type of salary. The same goes for San Diego if they were getting Barber, since they were Divisional Round losers as well.

Hard to rule out anything at this point, but there are definitely some things to consider before pulling the trigger on Cromartie.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Barber Would Be Tough To Trade
Posted by jellis at 2/17/2010 12:22 PM CST


Now that the Antonio Cromartie rumors have resurfaced - that the Chargers are looking for a running back, and the Cowboys seem to have plenty of them - it seems a chorus is building among people who would ship Marion Barber to San Diego for the former Pro Bowl cornerback.

Barber might be difficult to trade, however, if the Cowboys even wanted to do so. Jerry Jones would still have to pay the remaining portion of the guaranteed $16 million on his 2008 contract extension. In these financial times, it's probably not prudent to pay a still-effective player while not getting anything out of him.

And if San Diego or another team were after one of the Cowboys' running backs, wouldn't they demand the younger, cheaper Tashard Choice, who should have more tread remaining on the tires, and no history of injury the last two years?

So while a swap for Cromartie would make some sense for the Cowboys, especially since Wade Phillips was the defensive coordinator in San Diego when they drafted the cornerback in 2006, it's tough to envision the deal going down like it appears a lot of you would prefer.

And remember, the Final 8 Rule has implications in trades, too. If the Cowboys acquired someone like Cromartie and signed him to a big-money deal - over $5.7 million-ish in the first year - they wouldn't be able to bring in another player at that type of salary. The same goes for San Diego if they were getting Barber, since they were Divisional Round losers as well.

Hard to rule out anything at this point, but there are definitely some things to consider before pulling the trigger on Cromartie.

Excellent find. My 8 balls source now tells me we are not trading Barber or Choice.

Thanks, CF74.

What you say, with all of that impressive prudential thinking you've been doing, evarc?

 

[dreghorn2]

'Barber might be difficult to trade, however, if the Cowboys even wanted to do so. Jerry Jones would still have to pay the remaining portion of the guaranteed $16 million on his 2008 contract extension. In these financial times, it's probably not prudent to pay a still-effective player while not getting anything out of him.'

I don't understand this at all. What portion?

Barber has a roster bonus coming up, 3.8 million i believe. If he is cut or traded prior to that i don't believe Dallas is on the hook for any portion of the contract after that. I have been wrong before though, at least once.


'Who do you think is a candidate to fill his shoes?'

Tashard Choice.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

4.4 YPC is pretty terrible especially considering our OL and passing attack. Teams focus on stopping the pass agains tus and that 4.4 went for 26th in the league. Thats pretty mediocre and while I don't think that we should just jettison him, once RB start to decline they tend to continue that trend.

Its not like this is Marcus Allen we are talking about here.

are you kidding me? now people are coming up with 4.4 ypc is terrible? withour OL that's absolutley great. you way way way over rate our OL. they in fact sucked at times and sucked really bad. they are right now the weak link on the offensive side and what is holding us back from being a serious contender.

now, this is how people who don't do their research come up with misleading stats. where did you come up with the 26? he was 14th in ypc in the league with RBs having at least a 100 carries, a better measure of RBs effectiveness having had enough carries. steve breaston had a 22 ypc average......with one carry.

then he jumps to 12th in the league with players with at least 150 carries.

and 10th in the league with players with at least 200 carries.

there were 14 players in the top 30 with average of 4.2 to 4.8 ypc and at least 150 carries.

now, you also said teams focused on stopping the pass against us, but we were 7th in the league in rushing. 6th in passing. the DCs must have been really stupid just to focus on stopping the pass. specially with RW as one of the main players on our team.

btw, barber has had more yards and ypc in 2009 than in 2008. is that the decline everyone is talking about?

come one dudes. if you don't like barber. then just say I don't like him. but don't make up stories to back up you stories.

most of you hated Julius jones and wanted barber to get more carries. now barber is getting carries and he is no jim brown so you want choice because he is your fantasy "jim brown" and when barber is gone and choice gets the nod, you want John Doe the 3rd RB on the team because choice will not live up to your fantasy stats you have dreamed of him making by false projections some of you have conjured to back up you stand

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

'what will be gained by getting rid of barber? you have failed to explain that.'

What we get by cutting Barber is salary cap relief going forward from 2010.

There would be no monetary benefit for 2010 certainly.. but a new labor agreement will include a salary cap and 2010 allows teams to get out from under bad contracts before it becomes a future cap concern.

I believe Barber will not be a Dallas Cowboy in 2010.

you must have a direct line to Maurice Smith and Roger goodell to understand how the new CBA will end up being. how do you know what 2011 will be like? how teams will bargain to fit players under salary cap. and btw, barber is due a bonus and salary this year, which when and if we have a new salary cap in 2011, will not count towards it. and if we do cut him in 2011 all we would have to count against the cap is his prorated bonus.....

I would rather cut RW than barber, because he is 4th best reciever on the team, but the highest paid and has a tough salary structure to deal with.

 

[dreghorn2]

I don't think its a stretch to assume that there will be a salary cap going forward, the majority of owners will insist upon it.

This year allows teams to get away from poor contracts. Barber is overpaid, IMO severely so. I think we'll be surprised at the players that teams will cut in 2010.

Just my opinion of course, but i don't see him receiving a dime of his roster bonus this season.

Edit: Also i think Williams bonus is guaranteed so its much less likely he goes anywhere.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't think its a stretch to assume that there will be a salary cap going forward, the majority of owners will insist upon it.

This year allows teams to get away from poor contracts. Barber is overpaid, IMO severely so. I think we'll be surprised at the players that teams will cut in 2010.

Just my opinion of course, but i don't see him receiving a dime of his roster bonus this season.

Edit: Also i think Williams bonus is guaranteed so its much less likely he goes anywhere.

I seriously doubt if the cowboys cut barber, creating a need to draft a player to replace him on the roster, specially with 6 draft picks.

because of his salary structure I also doubt if he is tradable at this point.

I think if the right offer came along either barber or choice might get traded. of course teams want choice because of the olower salary. but I wouldn't be surprised to see us pay barber his roster bonus and then trade him. that would cost jones 4 mill. at 4 mill for the year barber is very very valuable to a lot of teams (SD, cleveland, NE, seattle, houston) all of whom have draft picks and/or players we might be interested in.

I have defended barber, but I am not necessarily a barber supporter. I hate when people make up things to support their ideas. you have to look at FACTS. at this point barber is a better performer than choice. choice is intriguing but unproven. only the cowboys staff truly know how either fits into what they want to do.

if they right trade comes along for either barber and choice, that would be beneficial to us, I would take it. its a luxuary to be 3 RBs deep. you probably can go with two. I would rather get a CB, Saftey, OL man in return.

NE has a bevy of picks they can use, plus a saftey or OL man they can dangle. They need a work horse type RB, since they don't trust maroney and keving faulk leaves a lot to be desired. barber brings a toughness totheir backfield they lack.

Seattle is badly in need of a RB but they don't have a lot to offer. to get a proven RB for a mid round pick and focus on their OL early, would help them out.

Houston thought Slaton was the goods, but he regressed badly last year and their RB by committee didn't work. they feel they are close and a solid running game would only help their offense.

cleveland is badly, badly in need of a running game.

SD is desparately seeking a RB and is dangling cromartie. Although I don't think cromartie is that good any longer and brings with him an off field baggage, they may dangle a low round pick to sweeten the pie if they want to rid themselves of cromartie.


again, if the right package comes along, I wouldn't mind trading barber or choice. but don't tell me barber sucks or he is bad, or this and a that because he is not living up to your EXPECTATIONS.

it will be an interesting off season to say the least.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

are you kidding me? now people are coming up with 4.4 ypc is terrible? withour OL that's absolutley great. you way way way over rate our OL. they in fact sucked at times and sucked really bad. they are right now the weak link on the offensive side and what is holding us back from being a serious contender.

now, this is how people who don't do their research come up with misleading stats. where did you come up with the 26? he was 14th in ypc in the league with RBs having at least a 100 carries, a better measure of RBs effectiveness having had enough carries. steve breaston had a 22 ypc average......with one carry.

then he jumps to 12th in the league with players with at least 150 carries.

and 10th in the league with players with at least 200 carries.

there were 14 players in the top 30 with average of 4.2 to 4.8 ypc and at least 150 carries.

now, you also said teams focused on stopping the pass against us, but we were 7th in the league in rushing. 6th in passing. the DCs must have been really stupid just to focus on stopping the pass. specially with RW as one of the main players on our team.

btw, barber has had more yards and ypc in 2009 than in 2008. is that the decline everyone is talking about?

come one dudes. if you don't like barber. then just say I don't like him. but don't make up stories to back up you stories.

most of you hated Julius jones and wanted barber to get more carries. now barber is getting carries and he is no jim brown so you want choice because he is your fantasy "jim brown" and when barber is gone and choice gets the nod, you want John Doe the 3rd RB on the team because choice will not live up to your fantasy stats you have dreamed of him making by false projections some of you have conjured to back up you stand

You make excellent points. Great post. :clap2:

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

you must have a direct line to Maurice Smith and Roger goodell to understand how the new CBA will end up being. how do you know what 2011 will be like? how teams will bargain to fit players under salary cap. and btw, barber is due a bonus and salary this year, which when and if we have a new salary cap in 2011, will not count towards it. and if we do cut him in 2011 all we would have to count against the cap is his prorated bonus.....

I would rather cut RW than barber, because he is 4th best reciever on the team, but the highest paid and has a tough salary structure to deal with.

Watching CFinDC post is like watch an episode of myth busters.