Why all the trade Barber talk?

[evarc]

who says cromartie is better CB than Barber a RB? I take Barber for 3 years if it helps us get to the superbowl, instead of Cromartie for 6 and watching the superbowl from home.

Are you really saying Barber is the guy that puts us over the top? lol. You thoughts hold no water anymore. I am done with this conversation.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It is more about getting something for him while he is worth something. Would his career be longer, or Cromartie's on average? Loyalty be darned. If a move can be beneficial to a team for 6 years instead of 3 years, I'd take the 6 years. Both are quality players, but one would not start going down hill until far after the other.

So settle for a 5th round pick and then create a need at the RB position? Because we don't have durable backs. Yeah, Barber got hurt. But he played hurt. And I love Tashard Choice. I think he should get more playing time. Yet that doesn't mean we have to trade Barber, especially if the reason is he cost too much.

If there is one year where it's worth anteing up for a player it's 2010. This team has great potential, so I really despise the Madden fantasies.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Are you really saying Barber is the guy that puts us over the top? lol. You thoughts hold no water anymore. I am done with this conversation.

Are you saying if Tashard Choice gets hurt and/or Felix gets hurt that either are capable of carrying 100% of the load?

 

[evarc]

So settle for a 5th round pick and then create a need at the RB position? Because we don't have durable backs. Yeah, Barber got hurt. But he played hurt. And I love Tashard Choice. I think he should get more playing time. Yet that doesn't mean we have to trade Barber, especially if the reason is he cost too much.

If there is one year where it's worth anteing up for a player it's 2010. This team has great potential, so I really despise the Madden fantasies.

Your the only one with Madden fantasies as you keep saying ITS UNCAPPED! what does that matter? Owners arent going to break the bank just because its uncapped! Come on now dude you are being foolish. If Jerry wanted championships that badly we would have had won every year when there was no cap.
Not to mention that once a new deal is reached the NFL will go back and back date the contracts made this year and in previous years to the new cap numbers as they did when the cap first came about.
It is foolish to think that teams can go out this year and just do whatever they want with no reactions down the road. To say we should hold on to an obviously declining player who is over paid and out played by both of his backups because of an uncapped year only is maddenish.

 

[jchap2k]

Well, would an injury at RB hurt us more than an injury at CB? Seems to me that if Newman or Jenkins go down, who do we have that can really play up to their level?
Cromartie can play at that level, and Phillips is very familiar with him.

If Barber goes down, who can play to his level? Well, both our other running backs. If we could trade him for Cromartie and sure up our CB outlook I'd rather have that, and just draft a 3rd RB this year for good measures. Its not Madden trade talk, is all about helping team stability. I'm not saying trade for big names, but if something makes sense from a talent stand point and a team stand point, then how could it not be logical?

 

[evarc]

Are you saying if Tashard Choice gets hurt and/or Felix gets hurt that either are capable of carrying 100% of the load?

Odds are Barber would be first injured. He has been injured more then any of our RBs in the last 2 years.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Odds are Barber would be first injured. He has been injured more then any of our RBs in the last 2 years.

Is that from the magic 8 ball?

 

[evarc]

Is that from the magic 8 ball?

Is your prediction that Jones or Choice will get injured from the magic 8 ball?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Well, would an injury at RB hurt us more than an injury at CB? Seems to me that if Newman or Jenkins go down, who do we have that can really play up to their level?
Cromartie can play at that level, and Phillips is very familiar with him.

If Barber goes down, who can play to his level? Well, both our other running backs. If we could trade him for Cromartie and sure up our CB outlook I'd rather have that, and just draft a 3rd RB this year for good measures. Its not Madden trade talk, is all about helping team stability. I'm not saying trade for big names, but if something makes sense from a talent stand point and a team stand point, then how could it not be logical?

Who said we are trading for Cromartie? That's the whole problem. How is this going to happen? That's the Madden fantasy talking.

And as soon as we trade MBIII for Cromartie then there is a gap to fill at RB.

You don't think we can draft depth at corner or obtain a FA corner?

Barber was 17th in the NFL and shared the carries with 2 other backs, and Miles Austin. We weren't a run-heavy team. 4.4 yards a carry.... Why trade him?

I'm not denying we need depth. I agree. But we have Scandrick for now. As soon as we (theoretically) trade Barber there is a need to fill. He's a leader, good pass blocker and has been a loyal, hard working player for the boys.

That's what I don't get. It seems like a lot of people don't appreciate what he does for this team.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Is your prediction that Jones or Choice will get injured from the magic 8 ball?

I don't know. I'm saying neither have the physique to carry 100% of the load. I know Barber isn't 100% guarantee, but no one is. And we're just a better team with 3 solid backs. I don't see why that is so hard to get.

(You obviously think he's worth something, since you want to trade him.)

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Your the only one with Madden fantasies as you keep saying ITS UNCAPPED! what does that matter? Owners arent going to break the bank just because its uncapped! Come on now dude you are being foolish. If Jerry wanted championships that badly we would have had won every year when there was no cap.
Not to mention that once a new deal is reached the NFL will go back and back date the contracts made this year and in previous years to the new cap numbers as they did when the cap first came about.
It is foolish to think that teams can go out this year and just do whatever they want with no reactions down the road. To say we should hold on to an obviously declining player who is over paid and out played by both of his backups because of an uncapped year only is maddenish.

What matters is TIME. Jerry Jones wants to win now. If you can't see that, and if you don't get that then I can't help you. 2010 is a now year, not a rebuilding year.

If we actually win a Super Bowl then he makes more money from a business standpoint. So, yes, it is all about this year.

 

[evarc]

I'm saying neither have the physique to carry 100% of the load. I know Barber isn't 100% guarantee, but no one is. And we're just a better team with 3 solid backs. I don't see why that is so hard to get.

(You obviously think he's worth something, since you want to trade him.)

This isnt madden we cant have a probowler at every position and their backups be probowlers to dude. Anyway Barber isnt playing like he should. You keep saying how well he did but both of his backups out played him. You say that there is no garuntee that jones and choice will be healthy but there is no garuntee for barber either. He is injured more then jones and choice. If we can get a top notch CB we can move one of our cbs to FS and that gets rid of a need then we use the pick we would have used on a Safety or CB to grab a RB. He would be a 3rd string back and we wouldnt have to rely on him to much.

 

[evarc]

What matters is TIME. Jerry Jones wants to win now. If you can't see that, and if you don't get that then I can't help you. 2010 is a now year, not a rebuilding year.

If we actually win a Super Bowl then he makes more money from a business standpoint. So, yes, it is all about this year.

BARBER WILL NOT MAKE OR BREAK THE TEAM!!!!!!!!! HE IS NO AD OR LT!!!!!! He is a so so RB who is often injured and whos talent declines every year and more so with every injury! He is losing what little burst he had and cant pick up the short yardage that a power back is supposed to pick up.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Are you really saying Barber is the guy that puts us over the top? lol. You thoughts hold no water anymore. I am done with this conversation.

no, but the original statement was without any subjective approach. the statement says I take a player that's around for 6 years and healthy over a player that will be gone in three years. to what end? Jesse Holley is going to be healthy for the next 6 years. will you take Holley on the team over barber?

I questioned that is cromartie better at CB than barber at RB?...you read into it something else. trying to dismiss the argument because you are making no sense in what you want to do....


you are starting to grasp at straws and you are drawning fast..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Your the only one with Madden fantasies as you keep saying ITS UNCAPPED! what does that matter? Owners arent going to break the bank just because its uncapped! Come on now dude you are being foolish. If Jerry wanted championships that badly we would have had won every year when there was no cap.
Not to mention that once a new deal is reached the NFL will go back and back date the contracts made this year and in previous years to the new cap numbers as they did when the cap first came about.
It is foolish to think that teams can go out this year and just do whatever they want with no reactions down the road. To say we should hold on to an obviously declining player who is over paid and out played by both of his backups because of an uncapped year only is maddenish.

which owners? don't forget that barber's cap numbers maybe top 10 (which I doubt), but his salary for next year is less than 4 mill. cap number includes bonuses paid in the PAST....water under the bridge......shouldn't make a difference in your assessment of what a player brings to the team. now, if we had a cap, there would be a different argument. a whole different argument.

how do you know how NFL will back date contracts? there maybe a whole set of provisions to account for new contracts.

teams can't do what ever they want, specially the top 8...there is a whole bunch of rules on what can an can not be done.

you are just making assumptions.
and when Jerry did take over the team. he did spend a lot of money. we did win 3 championships...(should have had a 4th one if not for a loss to SF in the NFC championship game and deion holding Irvin.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, would an injury at RB hurt us more than an injury at CB? Seems to me that if Newman or Jenkins go down, who do we have that can really play up to their level?
Cromartie can play at that level, and Phillips is very familiar with him.

If Barber goes down, who can play to his level? Well, both our other running backs. If we could trade him for Cromartie and sure up our CB outlook I'd rather have that, and just draft a 3rd RB this year for good measures. Its not Madden trade talk, is all about helping team stability. I'm not saying trade for big names, but if something makes sense from a talent stand point and a team stand point, then how could it not be logical?

that's the question. is cromartie that good any longer? you have to remember that a player brings his off field bagage as well and we have already had to deal with that. my question is why would SD want to get rid of a former #1 pick, a former probowl CB so easily for a RB...that has all kinds of red flags going up.

 

[evarc]

that's the question. is cromartie that good any longer? you have to remember that a player brings his off field bagage as well and we have already had to deal with that. my question is why would SD want to get rid of a former #1 pick, a former probowl CB so easily for a RB...that has all kinds of red flags going up.

They both have red flags in different areas. SD has two other 1st rounders behind him and he is not happy with the team. Why not get what you can for him?

 

[BrassCowboy]

well, nothing I have read here in this thread disturbs me. I will agree that if we can keep Barber on the team, then so be it. Just think his role needs to be adjusted so that the better backs (Felix and choice) get more time with the ball and we did see some of that in the Philly game when Barber spent alot of time on the sideline.

I am fine with MBIII playing as he has been a player in the past but it has to be obvious to everyone that he doesn't play with the same passion as he did the first few years. Does this mean he cannot contribute? no, just need to utilize the most out of all three backs, and no longer should a player's role be dependant on team loyalty because of what he has done in the past, but rather what he does in the present. Like the philly game when they benched MBIII because he could not produce, they put in more felix and choice and got much more production in the running game..

To say we should keep MBIII on the team, I am good with that and can understand a Cowboy fan arguing for that, but when a fan says oh we must keep MBIII but its ok if you trade away Choice for some TO-wannabe CB - then I have some serious doubts as to the football knowledge of those fans.

Right now, team loyalty and money invested keeps MBIII as our starter, but the true order of our RBs is:

1. Felix Jones
2. Tashard Choice
3. MBIII

Is MBIII a starter on quite a few other teams? of course, and that is the luxury we have and a good one to have. him being overpaid keeps him here.

My question in my last post in this thread concerned the ability of the coaches to keep all three RBs happy enough to stay. If the answer is no, then we must atleast make the top two happy enough to stay, so for me that would mean make Felix and choice happy and MBIII can relegate whatever role the cowboys give him until his contract is up.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Odds are Barber would be first injured. He has been injured more then any of our RBs in the last 2 years.

actually you would be wrong. barber missed one game this year. FJ two. FJ missed many more games than barber last year (was it half a season?). so you are clearly making things up at this point.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Is your prediction that Jones or Choice will get injured from the magic 8 ball?

no, its probablility and odds.

well, FJ has been in the league 2 years. beeninjured both years and has missed more games in 2 years than Barber his entire career. that in a limited role.

so probability of Jones getting injured again based on -on-field availability says that jones will probably get injured again next year.

just playing the odds.