Why all the trade Barber talk?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Felix Jones can't be trusted to be the #1 guy because he has been hurt for parts of the last two years.

Sounds reasonable.

Except Barber has also been hurt for parts of the last two years as well, is older, isn't nearly explosive, and runs with a style that almost guarantees he will continue to be hurt in the future.

The coaching staff seems reluctant to move Barber back to the role he was in when earned the big contract.

So why keep a guy around when the odds are against him having the success he once had are growing?

Why not trade him while he still has value and not make the same mistake as with Roy Williams?

The arguments, and their tone, for keeping Barber are eerily similar to the ones used by the Roy Williams fan boys who couldn't see he had lost it.

big difference between barber and williams. barber actually produced. he was the leading rusher on the team(see stats). he averaged around 4.4. yards a carry(see stats), which is very good for NFL, with the normal measuring stick around 4 ypc.

williams didn't produce. had low catch rate for number of throws his way. he was 4th in yards on the team. we paid a 1st, 3rd and 6th for him. we paid a 4th for barber.

now, barber was hurt, jones was hurt and I don't trust choice. so we need all three. and our rushing game was one of the best in the league. why break it up? plus we only have 6 draft picks.

you barber haters keep knocking him and say he sucks, he is bad, yet you expect what in return? none of you have ever mentioned what round draft pick to expect for him and which teams you think would be willing to trade for him, give me a realistic trade partner and not one from Madden.

plus I have heard you guys say that RBs are easy to find in the draft, so why wouldn't these teams trade for barber if he sucks, he is bad and he is older instead of getting a RB in the draft with more potential.

you all don't make sense.

with needs at OL, which everyone agrees with.
needs at Saftey
needs at WR
needs at LB
needs at CB
needs for back up DT

RB position is the last place I want to mess with, specially because its working so well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that's the stupidest projection I have seen people always use. so based on this percy harvin had 15 rushes for an average of 9 ypc. based on those then he would have had 1926 yards. why in the heck did they not make him into a RB. yeah kevin faulk of NE had average of 5.4 ypc. that's freaking awsome. if he rushed 200 times instead of 62 he would have easily had a 1000 yards, but tell me if anyone believes kevin faulk is a a good RB in this league.

see my break down of each RB game by game. barber had the longest run from scrimmage in 5 out of 16 games. he also had the highest ypc in 6 out of 16 games. his average was from 2.7 to 7.5, choice 1 to 11 and jones 1 to 13. that alone tells me barber is more consistent and gets the yard, where as jones or choice may get you a yard 3 or 4 times in a row and then break a big one. that doesn't make for a good running attack if you are trying to play ball keep away, drive the field and score consistently.

now, with that said, once jones got healthy, his averages were more steady and he still made big plays. same with barber, when he got healthier he was playing much better. choice was steadily the same, up and down and unreliable.

come one, that's amaturish on your part to make those kind of projections and you just showed your madden expertise. what works in the computer game doesn't translate into the real world. what I saw this year from choice is that he had good games against lesser opponents like KC and Raiders with a few big runs. against tougher opponents and defenses he faded and had in fact worst stats than barber. choice is not reliable.

he may give you a 60 yard run. but then he may go a few runs of 1 or 2 yards. also his long runs came in the wild cat formation and I am not ready to run the wildcat as a standard base offense. from the standard I formation, he was less than average.

again, I am not arguing if FJ is a better RB than barber.

its clear that choice is not a what everyone makes him to be. and again, and again and again and again. I don't trust felix "brittle glass" jones to carry this team for a full season.

I largely agree with your post, but our O isn't designed or called for it to play keep away.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

that's the stupidest projection I have seen people always use. so based on this percy harvin had 15 rushes for an average of 9 ypc. based on those then he would have had 1926 yards. why in the heck did they not make him into a RB. yeah kevin faulk of NE had average of 5.4 ypc. that's freaking awsome. if he rushed 200 times instead of 62 he would have easily had a 1000 yards, but tell me if anyone believes kevin faulk is a a good RB in this league.

see my break down of each RB game by game. barber had the longest run from scrimmage in 5 out of 16 games. he also had the highest ypc in 6 out of 16 games. his average was from 2.7 to 7.5, choice 1 to 11 and jones 1 to 13. that alone tells me barber is more consistent and gets the yard, where as jones or choice may get you a yard 3 or 4 times in a row and then break a big one. that doesn't make for a good running attack if you are trying to play ball keep away, drive the field and score consistently.

now, with that said, once jones got healthy, his averages were more steady and he still made big plays. same with barber, when he got healthier he was playing much better. choice was steadily the same, up and down and unreliable.

come one, that's amaturish on your part to make those kind of projections and you just showed your madden expertise. what works in the computer game doesn't translate into the real world. what I saw this year from choice is that he had good games against lesser opponents like KC and Raiders with a few big runs. against tougher opponents and defenses he faded and had in fact worst stats than barber. choice is not reliable.

he may give you a 60 yard run. but then he may go a few runs of 1 or 2 yards. also his long runs came in the wild cat formation and I am not ready to run the wildcat as a standard base offense. from the standard I formation, he was less than average.

again, I am not arguing if FJ is a better RB than barber.

its clear that choice is not a what everyone makes him to be. and again, and again and again and again. I don't trust felix "brittle glass" jones to carry this team for a full season.

I couldn't have given evarc a harder beating than that. I don't care that our backs are injury prone as long as we have 3 of them.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

big difference between barber and williams. barber actually produced. he was the leading rusher on the team(see stats). he averaged around 4.4. yards a carry(see stats), which is very good for NFL, with the normal measuring stick around 4 ypc.

williams didn't produce. had low catch rate for number of throws his way. he was 4th in yards on the team. we paid a 1st, 3rd and 6th for him. we paid a 4th for barber.

now, barber was hurt, jones was hurt and I don't trust choice. so we need all three. and our rushing game was one of the best in the league. why break it up? plus we only have 6 draft picks.

you barber haters keep knocking him and say he sucks, he is bad, yet you expect what in return? none of you have ever mentioned what round draft pick to expect for him and which teams you think would be willing to trade for him, give me a realistic trade partner and not one from Madden.

plus I have heard you guys say that RBs are easy to find in the draft, so why wouldn't these teams trade for barber if he sucks, he is bad and he is older instead of getting a RB in the draft with more potential.

you all don't make sense.

with needs at OL, which everyone agrees with.
needs at Saftey
needs at WR
needs at LB
needs at CB
needs for back up DT

RB position is the last place I want to mess with, specially because its working so well.

 

[evarc]

that's the stupidest projection I have seen people always use. so based on this percy harvin had 15 rushes for an average of 9 ypc. based on those then he would have had 1926 yards. why in the heck did they not make him into a RB. yeah kevin faulk of NE had average of 5.4 ypc. that's freaking awsome. if he rushed 200 times instead of 62 he would have easily had a 1000 yards, but tell me if anyone believes kevin faulk is a a good RB in this league.

see my break down of each RB game by game. barber had the longest run from scrimmage in 5 out of 16 games. he also had the highest ypc in 6 out of 16 games. his average was from 2.7 to 7.5, choice 1 to 11 and jones 1 to 13. that alone tells me barber is more consistent and gets the yard, where as jones or choice may get you a yard 3 or 4 times in a row and then break a big one. that doesn't make for a good running attack if you are trying to play ball keep away, drive the field and score consistently.

now, with that said, once jones got healthy, his averages were more steady and he still made big plays. same with barber, when he got healthier he was playing much better. choice was steadily the same, up and down and unreliable.

come one, that's amaturish on your part to make those kind of projections and you just showed your madden expertise. what works in the computer game doesn't translate into the real world. what I saw this year from choice is that he had good games against lesser opponents like KC and Raiders with a few big runs. against tougher opponents and defenses he faded and had in fact worst stats than barber. choice is not reliable.

he may give you a 60 yard run. but then he may go a few runs of 1 or 2 yards. also his long runs came in the wild cat formation and I am not ready to run the wildcat as a standard base offense. from the standard I formation, he was less than average.

again, I am not arguing if FJ is a better RB than barber.

its clear that choice is not a what everyone makes him to be. and again, and again and again and again. I don't trust felix "brittle glass" jones to carry this team for a full season.

Its stupid to say we have to pretend that a guys best play of the season didnt happen in order to find out how good he really is. He was good enough to make that play so why shouldnt it count? Just so you can better push your bs propaganda? STATS say that with the same amount of carries and Jones or Choice would have rushed for over 1000 yards. As far as injuries go barber isnt the best in that respect either my friend.
You make lame arguements by saying you have to remove the best and 2nd best plays a guy makes just so it better fits your arguement. You say it isnt barbers fault but the oline when all 3 backs ran behind the same oline. Your full of it. I dont care what kinda altered stats you come up with to prove your point the fact is the real stats say barber is the 3rd best on this team and thats how a majority of the fans see him as well.
Why dont you take a nonobjective look at the guy. He is older then our other backs. He is injury prone and his numbers are in decline. These are the facts.

 

[evarc]

whats that for you want us to draft backups... lol.

 

[Dodger]

LOL. I love these Madden threads.

 

[BrassCowboy]

well if we can afford to keep MBIII, then we should keep him. I think the coaching staff should relegate his duties to short yardage and goalline status though.

I think the best two running backs on the team for all purpose yards is Felix and Choice. They should be the 1-2 punch.

I would assume the whole point of this thread is to "basically" say this, but who knows.

I heard someone say Choice will be a restricted free agent after this year. Not sure if I ever heard of a 3 year rookie contract before or if it even allowed, but maybe someone can clarify this.

Anyways, with that in mind, I think another point alot of posters in this thread are trying to make is that we need to do whatever it takes to keep Choice and Felix both on this team, and if it "has" to be at the expense of one of the three RBs, then let it be at the expense of MBIII which I agree with. Choice and Felix are must keeps.

 

[jay cee]

well if we can afford to keep MBIII, then we should keep him. I think the coaching staff should relegate his duties to short yardage and goalline status though.

I think the best two running backs on the team for all purpose yards is Felix and Choice. They should be the 1-2 punch.

I would assume the whole point of this thread is to "basically" say this, but who knows.

I heard someone say Choice will be a restricted free agent after this year. Not sure if I ever heard of a 3 year rookie contract before or if it even allowed, but maybe someone can clarify this.

Anyways, with that in mind, I think another point alot of posters in this thread are trying to make is that we need to do whatever it takes to keep Choice and Felix both on this team, and if it "has" to be at the expense of one of the three RBs, then let it be at the expense of MBIII which I agree with. Choice and Felix are must keeps.

I THINK Choice could be a really good back. But I thought Hambrick could have been also when he was the backup to Emmitt Smith.

You don't really know until they are put into that position.

The Cowboys have a really good rushing attack, and I have not seen a legit reason why they should release any of their 3 backs.

If Barber is as bad as some here seem to believe, they would have to release him, because no one would trade for an injury prone, over paid player.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I largely agree with your post, but our O isn't designed or called for it to play keep away.

I know and I agree. I said it last year and then again this year. this offense relies too much on big plays to score and has not had the ability to sustain drives and end up scoring. that has bit us in the proverbial arse when team stook the big play away and we couldn't get some simple scoring. we struggled mightly in the redzone. that's whole other debate. but in order to get to the next level, we need to take some of the long possessions that end up with nothing and turn them into scores.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Its stupid to say we have to pretend that a guys best play of the season didnt happen in order to find out how good he really is. He was good enough to make that play so why shouldnt it count? Just so you can better push your bs propaganda? STATS say that with the same amount of carries and Jones or Choice would have rushed for over 1000 yards. As far as injuries go barber isnt the best in that respect either my friend.

actually I didn't dismiss his longest run. if you read the post and intent again, its that choice isn't reliable. I have said several times. he makes one or two big runs and the rest of the time he gets 1 or 2 yards. couple of those from the wild cat, which I doubt if we run as our base offense. that doesn't help the offense, by always ending up in 3rd and long and running off the field. that doesn't help sustain drives and TOP. what it indicated is the wild swing in his game. I rather like a reliable consistent RB that can churn yards. again, those projection you make are wrong. because using your logic kevin faulk would have had 1400 yards with 250 carries and Percy harvin would have had over 1900 yards rushing and Ogltree would have had 1000 yards recieving if he would have played more. do you think any of those are possible?


You make lame arguements by saying you have to remove the best and 2nd best plays a guy makes just so it better fits your arguement. You say it isnt barbers fault but the oline when all 3 backs ran behind the same oline. Your full of it. I dont care what kinda altered stats you come up with to prove your point the fact is the real stats say barber is the 3rd best on this team and thats how a majority of the fans see him as well.
Why dont you take a nonobjective look at the guy. He is older then our other backs. He is injury prone and his numbers are in decline. These are the facts.

I am not saying to remove those. its breaking down the plays to make sense out of them. if like you I just looked at the surface, and said hey choice had 5.5 ypc, lets give him the ball all the time, then its fooling yourself. then you break the plays down and look at how things progressed during games and season and identify strenght and weaknesses. choice had two big games against lesser opponents. when FJ got hurt and he started to carry the load we played denver and even a few games after FJ came back choice got bunch of carries and his stats against tougher opponents with similar number of carries was lesser than a not fully healed barber. projections like yours are for madden. choice also had some games where he averaged 1 ypc. that's quite alarming.

and I have not argued that barber is better than FJ. my point has been that FJ has been injury prone. barber has been injured the past two years. I don't trust choice. we need all three and if I had to get rid of one, it would be choice because he is the most unreliable in all facets of his game.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

well if we can afford to keep MBIII, then we should keep him. I think the coaching staff should relegate his duties to short yardage and goalline status though.

I think the best two running backs on the team for all purpose yards is Felix and Choice. They should be the 1-2 punch.

I would assume the whole point of this thread is to "basically" say this, but who knows.

I heard someone say Choice will be a restricted free agent after this year. Not sure if I ever heard of a 3 year rookie contract before or if it even allowed, but maybe someone can clarify this.

Anyways, with that in mind, I think another point alot of posters in this thread are trying to make is that we need to do whatever it takes to keep Choice and Felix both on this team, and if it "has" to be at the expense of one of the three RBs, then let it be at the expense of MBIII which I agree with. Choice and Felix are must keeps.

I would venture to say the best two RBs are FJ and barber and they shold be the 1-2 punch. barber can go into his starting role still getting the 15 or so carries. and when we need to close games and play keep away, in the 4th he would be great. he did that this year against philly. we need more of that.

I think 4th roud and later draftees get a 3 year deal and then become RFA. 1,2 and 3 round players get 4 year deals.

I simply don't trust choice.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I THINK Choice could be a really good back. But I thought Hambrick could have been also when he was the backup to Emmitt Smith.

You don't really know until they are put into that position.

The Cowboys have a really good rushing attack, and I have not seen a legit reason why they should release any of their 3 backs.

If Barber is as bad as some here seem to believe, they would have to release him, because no one would trade for an injury prone, over paid player.

bingo

 

[Teague31]

probably has something to do with the fact that mb3 is now the 3rd best RB on the team. I love the guy but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.

 

[Doomsday101]

You guys still trying to pull a Coakly on Barber? :laugh2:

Unless someone makes a big offer for him Barber is not leaving. As for his production the man played with a pulled quad throughout the season I expect Barber to be healthy and ready to go and no I don't think his running style leads to injury I think like any NFL player they are all subject to getting injured.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

probably has something to do with the fact that mb3 is now the 3rd best RB on the team. I love the guy but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.

I did. his name is choice.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You guys still trying to pull a Coakly on Barber? :laugh2:

Unless someone makes a big offer for him Barber is not leaving. As for his production the man played with a pulled quad throughout the season I expect Barber to be healthy and ready to go and no I don't think his running style leads to injury I think like any NFL player they are all subject to getting injured.

Yeah, I don't get it. We have two very good, young backs and one very good not so old one and people want to trade him because he costs too much money during an uncapped year.

Then, to top it off, I say we need to draft for depth. For instance, we dodged a bullet this year with Ratliff staying healthy and so I feel like DT is a bigger concern than RB. So evarc, Mr. John Madden himself, says I want to draft back ups as if you don't develop players and think about the now and the future.

It's absurd. Barber has been a great player for this organization and fans are too unappreciative and dense to realize this.

 

[jchap2k]

It is more about getting something for him while he is worth something. Would his career be longer, or Cromartie's on average? Loyalty be darned. If a move can be beneficial to a team for 6 years instead of 3 years, I'd take the 6 years. Both are quality players, but one would not start going down hill until far after the other.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is more about getting something for him while he is worth something. Would his career be longer, or Cromartie's on average? Loyalty be darned. If a move can be beneficial to a team for 6 years instead of 3 years, I'd take the 6 years. Both are quality players, but one would not start going down hill until far after the other.

We don't know that, heck there are good backs who have been in the league longer than Barber and for all we know Cromartie could take a major injury and be done you never know when any players career could be done. Barber was playing at less than 100% and it did show but I don't think he is near the end.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It is more about getting something for him while he is worth something. Would his career be longer, or Cromartie's on average? Loyalty be darned. If a move can be beneficial to a team for 6 years instead of 3 years, I'd take the 6 years. Both are quality players, but one would not start going down hill until far after the other.

who says cromartie is better CB than Barber a RB? I take Barber for 3 years if it helps us get to the superbowl, instead of Cromartie for 6 and watching the superbowl from home.