Why are most major decisions last minute deals?

[blueblood70]

Yeah it's like other's have already said. Everything always comes down to the last minute cause there isn't a plan in place for anything else.

This is pretty much it in a nutshell.

1. In addition, who is going to push him if he is the owner and the "GM". He's on his own time
2. Definitely more reactive vs already having a plan in place that you act on and prepare for
3. And this has always been the case even to the tune of losing millions and continuing to ignorantly reset the market at each position

while some of that might be true it's not all true Trayvon diggs contract did not reset the market it was #4 at the time and right now it's #5 for starting corners OK how about lamb did that reset a market no it did not I know it was close but what you're forgetting is 1 Justin Jefferson makes more money than lamb and guess who didn't get paid last year oh that's right it would be jamar chase guess what he went and did he went and had this best season as a professional guess what his price tag is gonna be it's gonna be more than Justin Jefferson and lamb so the market was not reset he did not cost himself more money and by the way the players and agents are 2/3 of the problems there's all kinds of hurdles you have to overcome you just can't make a guy sign a cheap contract you can't say I'm signing you now and we're gonna sign you for less even though you know and your agent know what the gonna be two to three years down the road you think these people are ignorant to all those forecasts for contracts?

So yes sometimes Jerry bids against themselves sometimes he pays a little more but it's not always true so you can keep saying it because this is always gonna end up in either a Prescott hate thread or a Jerry hate thread 'cause those are the two hottest topics that people have talked about over the last month that I get tired of but here we are...

And by the way he does have a time frame the 14th the contract runs out on the 14th so either something's gonna get done by midnight on the 14th or it's not that is the timeline but the new league year starts in March so we will have all our answers we need when the time comes it will all work itself out you guys worry too much about the owner of a team which is a business and it's an organization in which you have 0 control over and you think you're entitled to quicker answers and you're entitled to being in the loop for everything and you're not you absolutely are not this is not your business.

So I wanna make it clear we have a few recent examples of where you would be wrong we did not reset the market on those contracts....

 

[Manster_Mash]

Because our FO works parttime ans only performs their duties when absolutely required.

 

[sunalsorises]

Because Jerry Jones is going to live forever. He can outwait anyone except Keith Richards (and Rick Pitino and Arthur Blank who are vampires).

 

[atlantacowboy]

Because the franchise is managed mostly by crisis. There isn't much planning ahead involved. It makes things easier.

 

[montgod]

while some of that might be true it's not all true Trayvon diggs contract did not reset the market it was #4 at the time and right now it's #5 for starting corners OK how about lamb did that reset a market no it did not I know it was close but what you're forgetting is 1 Justin Jefferson makes more money than lamb and guess who didn't get paid last year oh that's right it would be jamar chase guess what he went and did he went and had this best season as a professional guess what his price tag is gonna be it's gonna be more than Justin Jefferson and lamb so the market was not reset he did not cost himself more money and by the way the players and agents are 2/3 of the problems there's all kinds of hurdles you have to overcome you just can't make a guy sign a cheap contract you can't say I'm signing you now and we're gonna sign you for less even though you know and your agent know what the gonna be two to three years down the road you think these people are ignorant to all those forecasts for contracts?

So yes sometimes Jerry bids against themselves sometimes he pays a little more but it's not always true so you can keep saying it because this is always gonna end up in either a Prescott hate thread or a Jerry hate thread 'cause those are the two hottest topics that people have talked about over the last month that I get tired of but here we are...

And by the way he does have a time frame the 14th the contract runs out on the 14th so either something's gonna get done by midnight on the 14th or it's not that is the timeline but the new league year starts in March so we will have all our answers we need when the time comes it will all work itself out you guys worry too much about the owner of a team which is a business and it's an organization in which you have 0 control over and you think you're entitled to quicker answers and you're entitled to being in the loop for everything and you're not you absolutely are not this is not your business.

So I wanna make it clear we have a few recent examples of where you would be wrong we did not reset the market on those contracts....

I get those points, but the overall protectory and timing of decisions always seems to be reactionary vs planning for the future which always puts them in a catch22 position but one of convenience to JJ and what he truly wants to do or not do in the offseason. This was my my main point following what @Hawkeye19 already stated. So yes, Diggs might have been done sooner at somewhat of a discount, bad luck followed, so not knocking that one (although I def think they should consider cutting him this offseason). However, the major ones like:
- Dak: could have been done two yrs before and this year or not at all with them waiting till the very last minute w/nothin to gain - no free agents left, wait and see how he'd perform first, etc
- Zeke: re-signing two yrs early and reset the market when they had leverage after suspension yr and could have looked for rb backups
- CeeDee: signing a month and a half after Jefferson signed. Why wait? Might not have been all their fault, but if they were using JJ as the measuring stick, still no urgency.
- Gallup: overpaying for a hurt Gallup thinking they got a deal
- Jaylon Smith: See above

Again, with all these and/or others signings not done, excuses follow because the cap is used as an excuse when if they properly managed the cap like other teams, they would have a plan in place to add what they needed to be successful vs continuing to reset their team success with possible solution additions off the street. The last two 12 win seasons should have been "all in" seasons after they loss but it was anything but that.

 

[blueblood70]

I get those points, but the overall protectory and timing of decisions always seems to be reactionary vs planning for the future which always puts them in a catch22 position but one of convenience to JJ and what he truly wants to do or not do in the offseason. This was my my main point following what @Hawkeye19 already stated. So yes, Diggs might have been done sooner at somewhat of a discount, bad luck followed, so not knocking that one (although I def think they should consider cutting him this offseason). However, the major ones like:
- Dak: could have been done two yrs before and this year or not at all with them waiting till the very last minute w/nothin to gain - no free agents left, wait and see how he'd perform first, etc
- Zeke: re-signing two yrs early and reset the market when they had leverage after suspension yr and could have looked for rb backups
- CeeDee: signing a month and a half after Jefferson signed. Why wait? Might not have been all their fault, but if they were using JJ as the measuring stick, still no urgency.
- Gallup: overpaying for a hurt Gallup thinking they got a deal
- Jaylon Smith: See above

Again, with all these and/or others signings not done, excuses follow because the cap is used as an excuse when if they properly managed the cap like other teams, they would have a plan in place to add what they needed to be successful vs continuing to reset their team success with possible solution additions off the street. The last two 12 win seasons should have been "all in" seasons after they loss but it was anything but that.

Not reading all that,

skimming over

I just told you the agents and the players wanted to wait till Justin Jefferson was signed or chased they knew the contract would be in the same area the same zip code you cannot make players and agents do what you want because you think...

it's a peons view, a causal if you will,

that's what you are you are a sitting behind the screen as a fan thinking you know what's going on you don't know what's going on they did not reset the market with Gallup or Jaylen Smith they may niot have worked out or were bad deals,

but you can keep trying to make points, and I'm going to keep pointing out that not every contract can be signed for as cheap as you want, because there's agents and players involved they're dragging their feet; Jamar chase did it ,he refused to sign and now look he wanted 40 million and up they wouldn't give it to him and they're the ones who are going to hang out with a brand new contract that's going to reset the market in Cincinnati so why don't you go complain about them for not signing Jamar chase early...Guys like Ayuk and CD held out got paid Chase refused and now nearly insured a new market reset..

you know why he decided he didn't want to they don't have to that's why you wait because some players are not playing that game Ezekiel Elliott/ Dak they have agents just like everyone else the agents are telling them what the market is what they deserve and CD lamb did not reset the market his money was under Justin Jefferson's, that's a fact..

Players have agents so that's the way they get the best deals loyalty is gone just like in college they're moving around now free agency big time stars are more than happy to leave their teams now and they are not allowing themselves to be built by billionaire owners so they are making sure they get what they deserve you're not making them sign for less how exactly are you gonna force a player to take less just because you offer it to him early that's an old way of thinking that is not what they're doing nowadays....

 

[jblaze2004]

I bet Jerry waits until the very last day of McCarthy's deal and announce they have resigned him to a 3-5 year deal.

Its the Jerry way.

 

[Kingofholland]

Why does it seem this front office doesn't know if it wants to extend a big name player or head coach until free agency? How in the world do you not know if you want to bring back Mike after 5 years? I really do not understand what this front office is trying to do waiting until the last minute to extend CD, Dak, McCarthy (or announce his leaving). All they do is paint themselves into a corner and get way behind the 8ball. New England has wasted no time cutting Mayo, now they can openly begin their search for a Head coach. Maybe Jerry orchestrates this just for the little bit of drama/intrigue?

They just believe waiting creates leverage and you end up paying less. It's kind of like waiting for Party City to go out of business, if you jump in right away you pay more, if you wait you can get 50-75% off. Unfortunately in their case they usually don't save by waiting sans some bargain bin free agents.

 

[Cmac]

Jerry loves the money on the marketing side, but squeezes the dollar so tight and long for his players, you need a crowbar to pry it from his hand, and tissue to wipe the green off the tight and reluctant dollar from his hands

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Why does it seem this front office doesn't know if it wants to extend a big name player or head coach until free agency? How in the world do you not know if you want to bring back Mike after 5 years? I really do not understand what this front office is trying to do waiting until the last minute to extend CD, Dak, McCarthy (or announce his leaving). All they do is paint themselves into a corner and get way behind the 8ball. New England has wasted no time cutting Mayo, now they can openly begin their search for a Head coach. Maybe Jerry orchestrates this just for the little bit of drama/intrigue?

There are no guiding team building principles in this organization, so every choice comes with major indecision.

 

[montgod]

Not reading all that,

skimming over

I just told you the agents and the players wanted to wait till Justin Jefferson was signed or chased they knew the contract would be in the same area the same zip code you cannot make players and agents do what you want because you think...

it's a peons view, a causal if you will,

that's what you are you are a sitting behind the screen as a fan thinking you know what's going on you don't know what's going on they did not reset the market with Gallup or Jaylen Smith they may niot have worked out or were bad deals,

but you can keep trying to make points, and I'm going to keep pointing out that not every contract can be signed for as cheap as you want, because there's agents and players involved they're dragging their feet; Jamar chase did it ,he refused to sign and now look he wanted 40 million and up they wouldn't give it to him and they're the ones who are going to hang out with a brand new contract that's going to reset the market in Cincinnati so why don't you go complain about them for not signing Jamar chase early...Guys like Ayuk and CD held out got paid Chase refused and now nearly insured a new market reset..

you know why he decided he didn't want to they don't have to that's why you wait because some players are not playing that game Ezekiel Elliott/ Dak they have agents just like everyone else the agents are telling them what the market is what they deserve and CD lamb did not reset the market his money was under Justin Jefferson's, that's a fact..

Players have agents so that's the way they get the best deals loyalty is gone just like in college they're moving around now free agency big time stars are more than happy to leave their teams now and they are not allowing themselves to be built by billionaire owners so they are making sure they get what they deserve you're not making them sign for less how exactly are you gonna force a player to take less just because you offer it to him early that's an old way of thinking that is not what they're doing nowadays....

Main point for this entire thread was focusing on timing of when contracts were done and not having a plan in place ahead of time - reactionary vs strategizing for the future. That's it. Everyone knows contracts fluctuate for everyone and every situation. However, with JJ, he waits till the last minute which doesn't help the overall trajectory of cap space and what you can or can't do in free agency or just re-signing your own guys.

Nobody said Gallup/Smith were resetting the market deals. However, they do show the willingness to get a player cheap when they believe a player is at a deficit vs planning ahead. If they had made the decision to re-sign Dak sooner than later (whether that would have been two years ago or directly right after the season), and then earmarking funds for CD with the cap space from Dak and incoming free agents to win now, that would have made way more sense no matter when or what CD ending up signing for cause you could still move forward w/the offseason and being ready.

Side note, resetting market statement was meant for the qb and rb contracts which were valid statements and not necessary, wasn't referring to any others in that vein although I wouldn't put it past him to do so again with Parsons' deal unless Parsons holds true to taking a minor pay cut. Honestly though, I wouldn't fault JJ if he did reset on Parsons deal cause he's worth the deal and played to that level. Any capable GM, has a plan in place for all scenarios vs just winging it and thinking timelines don't apply to your team cause you think regardless of who is on it, your team will be the best on the field just cause you're the GM.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Why does it seem this front office doesn't know if it wants to extend a big name player or head coach until free agency? How in the world do you not know if you want to bring back Mike after 5 years? I really do not understand what this front office is trying to do waiting until the last minute to extend CD, Dak, McCarthy (or announce his leaving). All they do is paint themselves into a corner and get way behind the 8ball. New England has wasted no time cutting Mayo, now they can openly begin their search for a Head coach. Maybe Jerry orchestrates this just for the little bit of drama/intrigue?

If every player would accept the vet minimum....these deals would be done before there current contract runs out.

The Jones Boys try to run a sports franchise like a normal business. And you cannot SUCCESFULLY do that. Take Cee Dee Lamb. Stephen Jones talked about what Cee Dee's productivity would have to be if they made him the 2nd highest paid WR in the NFL. In other words...the ball was going to be forced to Cee Dee...so that Cee Dee could get the numbers to justify his contract. That's NOT winning football. That's business. But that's the lens they look at it through! Why? Because that is what the Jones Boys are good at....that is what they know......business!! Cee Dee is a top flight WR...if we are playing winning football and winning football games....trust me...his numbers....regardless of what they are.... will reflect that. Why? Because he is a top flight WR and in order for us to win games he will have to be productive and/or draw attention so someone else can be productive. That is how FOOTBALL works!!!