Why are they not trading for a RB

[Colombiacowboy]

absolutely not as we are better off even giving the difference to another running back.
need to tell the agents they are not getting more by being the squeaky wheel
otherwise all the other negotiations are screwed.

From an economic standpoint, there is a flaw with your argument. Is there a RB on the market that has close to or an equal skillset that Zeke has? Probably not. That is what makes this decision so hard, and why trying to figure out "market value" on human capital is an impossible and imprecise science.

 

[DandyDon52]

perhaps he is marshall faulk

Well he has been on his dak campaign for quite awhile before faulk was ever involved.

I was also thinking that EE must be mad that the other 2 guys , dak and coop, + DL are all being offered more money that he is.
I think EE gets it from his friends , and for sure his parents, the same stuff we hear here, zeke carrys the team, best RB ever,(in whole universes and history
of football!) and that he is best player on the team, and dallas cant win without him.
So why should he not be paid more than DL, and coop at the least?
So I think that his friends family and huge ego, have all contributed to his holdout.

 

[OmerV]

Yes. The argument for it is the cap is expected to go up significantly, so the extra $20M/yr is essentially free.

A problem (among many) with that logic is that it is being used for every player. "The cap goes up by $10M every year, pay Zeke with that", etc

Then why didn't Wetnz or Russell Wilson expect $40 million?

And why isn't just as easily that the cap going up is the argument for why teams are willing to pay $30-35 million?

In addition, your argument is flawed because it assumes Dak and his agent believe the added cap space is earmarked exclusively for a QB.

 

[JeffAtl]

From an economic standpoint, there is a flaw with your argument. Is there a RB on the market that has close to or an equal skillset that Zeke has? Probably not. That is what makes this decision so hard, and why trying to figure out "market value" on human capital is an impossible and imprecise science.

Is 100% of Zeke's ability needed though? An argument could be made that a RB at 85% would be good enough to not notice the impact.

 

[waldoputty]

From an economic standpoint, there is a flaw with your argument. Is there a RB on the market that has close to or an equal skillset that Zeke has? Probably not. That is what makes this decision so hard, and why trying to figure out "market value" on human capital is an impossible and imprecise science.

absolutely not.
in economics, this is a classic case in repeated game theory.
you create a reputation so that future negotiators KNOW that to expect.

there is no fair market value here.
it is a matter of leverage and zeke has little.
especially as the offense has progressed and the team does not need a rb back to carry it like it used to.

and please dont go there regarding asking the team to pay for past services.

 

[waldoputty]

Is 100% of Zeke's ability needed though? An argument could be made that a RB at 85% would be good enough to not notice the impact.

especially after the wr corps have been improved and the offense system may be improved as well beyond the run it up the middle paradigm.

 

[DandyDon52]

This is where agents give bad advice to players.

The agents just focus on getting top money.

It's not just because the agent gets more out of a bigger contract but because it makes the agent more appealing to other players.

Players are making stupid life decisions by turning down a contract waiting for another 20% or some such.

If Dak had a career ending injury in 2019, he would finish his career having made 4M.

If he had signed a new contract, he would walk away with over 50M.

A smart person in Zeke's situation would say he'll take significantly less per year if more is guaranteed.

Zeke reportedly wants 15M per.

Gurley's deal was realistically 3 years, 40M and the 40M was all guaranteed in March of the 2nd year.
- That's 13.3M average.

I would say I'll take 12.5M per for 4 years but I want it all guaranteed (i.e. 4 years, 50M guaranteed).'

The agents don't want to do it what way because it will be regarded as less than Gurley's deal.

I think EE might want 20 mil a year.
In a way even though I dont care for the guy, he would be justified in asking for that amount.
If Coop and Dl are in the 20 mil+ range, and dak is 35 mil + range then if EE is so good, isnt 20 mil more fair
insofar as value to the team?
That is why paying key players those high salarys just causes other players who are good to want similar range pay.
Again I dont even think EE is as great as some think, but I think he is more valuable to the team and winning, that Demarcus L is.
And he would have to be close to coop.

 

[JeffAtl]

In addition, your argument is flawed because it assumes Dak and his agent believe the added cap space is earmarked exclusively for a QB.

Oh, I absolutely believe that it is a flawed argument, it's just the one that the agents of multiple players are trying to push. I see this argument posted almost everyday by the media - "the Wentz deal was a bargain because of the cap going up, etc".

Again, it is very flawed logic, but it is the logic that is being used.

 

[Stash]

I think they're comfortable with Pollard, with Morris or Chunn or Jackson sharing the load.

I'm not "comfortable" with Morris. His lack of playmaking ability makes me uncomfortable.

 

[JeffAtl]

there is no fair market value here.

Good point.

Even if there were a firmly established "market value", it doesn't mean that a buyer has to buy it.

Ferrari's have an established market value, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to buy one. Even buyers that could easily afford a Ferrari at market value may determine that a Toyota Corolla is better investment for their needs.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I'm not "comfortable" with Morris. His lack of playmaking ability makes me uncomfortable.

That's fine. My point was more that Pollard was the designated starter, not Morris, or anyone else.

I'm going with their pick of Chunn as the guy to pair with Pollard. Better match for Pollard to take short yardage, though they might take Morris to have an in game backup to Pollard.

 

[waldoputty]

I think EE might want 20 mil a year.
In a way even though I dont care for the guy, he would be justified in asking for that amount.
If Coop and Dl are in the 20 mil+ range, and dak is 35 mil + range then if EE is so good, isnt 20 mil more fair
insofar as value to the team?
That is why paying key players those high salarys just causes other players who are good to want similar range pay.
Again I dont even think EE is as great as some think, but I think he is more valuable to the team and winning, that Demarcus L is.
And he would have to be close to coop.

if we lose cooper or zeke, who would you rather lose.
zeke 10 out of 10 times.
wr1 is hard to replace.
the rb can be replaced with a rb with 80% of zeke's ability and be fine.
use the money for a proven te and keeping wr2.

after this season, if someone asks would you rather lose gallup or zeke.
if gallup takes the next step from last year, i would say gallup is more important.

 

[waldoputty]

Good point.

Even if there were a firmly established "market value", it doesn't mean that a buyer has to buy it.

Ferrari's have an established market value, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to buy one. Even buyers that could easily afford a Ferrari at market value may determine that a Toyota Corolla is better investment for their needs.

right, this is a rare stratosphere that there are few comps.
the closest are gurley and bell.

 

[OmerV]

Oh, I absolutely believe that it is a flawed argument, it's just the one that the agents of multiple players are trying to push. I see this argument posted almost everyday by the media - "the Wentz deal was a bargain because of the cap going up, etc".

Again, it is very flawed logic, but it is the logic that is being used.

If you had simply said Dak and his agent will use that as a negotiating point I would have agreed with you, but I don't at all agree that it causes Dak and his agent to actually expect a $40 million contract.

 

[jsb357]

but he is a rookie only

zeke is not a rookie

 

[waldoputty]

zeke is not a rookie

zeke who?

 

[Colombiacowboy]

absolutely not.
in economics, this is a classic case in repeated game theory.
you create a reputation so that future negotiators KNOW that to expect.

there is no fair market value here.
it is a matter of leverage and zeke has little.
especially as the offense has progressed and the team does not need a rb back to carry it like it used to.

and please dont go there regarding asking the team to pay for past services.

Dude, you have completely mischaracterized Game Theory.

I agree with you 100% there is no "Market Value" here as this does not typically apply to personnel in business. I also agree that Zeke has little to no leverage. My comment was based on a specific scenario which you replied to:
1. Paying for a new RB while Zeke is still under contract
or
2. Taking the millions you pay this new RB and adding it to what they offer Zeke

If you want to get into a discussion about Game Theory or any other pseudoscience...great, but this is probably not the forum.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

Is 100% of Zeke's ability needed though? An argument could be made that a RB at 85% would be good enough to not notice the impact.

This statement is excatly why I say "Market Value" is imprecise when dealing with human capital. If you can achieve your goal with 85% output, then it makes sense (and cents) to pursue that option. The big question is will 85% of Zekes "utility" be enough?

 

[jsb357]

zeke who?

touché

 

[waldoputty]

touché