Why are we overrating Kellen Moore's intelligence?

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adbutcher said:
Nah, he makes pretty dumb decisions. It might be a case of him not having good reflexive intelligence compared to strategic intelligence.
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I don't agree. There are only a few decisions he's made that I did not think were the right place to go with the ball, and I'd even have to go back and look at the play to see if he really had any other option but to fit those passes in between defenders. His ability to execute the throws leaves a lot to be desired.

Let's take the back-shoulder throw that Dak made. A lollipop throw or off throw there would have forced some of the jump-ball situations we've seen on Moore's throws, such as the interception in the end zone against Arizona. Moore's decision was correct. He had one-on-one coverage and needed to throw back-shoulder to give the receiver a chance to win the ball. He couldn't execute the throw.

There are a lot of reasons Moore fails on this level, but intelligence just isn't one of them.
 
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gimmesix said:
I don't agree. There are only a few decisions he's made that I did not think were the right place to go with the ball, and I'd even have to go back and look at the play to see if he really had any other option but to fit those passes in between defenders. His ability to execute the throws leaves a lot to be desired.

Let's take the back-shoulder throw that Dak made. A lollipop throw or off throw there would have forced some of the jump-ball situations we've seen on Moore's throws, such as the interception in the end zone against Arizona. Moore's decision was correct. He had one-on-one coverage and needed to throw back-shoulder to give the receiver a chance to win the ball. He couldn't execute the throw.

There are a lot of reasons Moore fails on this level, but intelligence just isn't one of them.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree.
 
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adbutcher said:
Why are we overrating Kellen Moore's intelligence? His physical limitations have been well documented but for the life of me I cannot find any evidence that Kellen Moore has the necessary football intelligence to play in the NFL. He constantly holds the ball longer than he should and that is usually the sign of a confused QB. He constantly throws into double coverage and I rarely see him look off receivers. Even on his check downs he seems unsure.

His body language is also terrible. He never closes his mouth, which I conclude he is a mouth breather. I think the Cowboys are aware of this and I am confident they will do the right thing by cutting Moore. Rush outplayed him physically and with his mental grasp of the playbook. If the cowboys cut Rush instead of Moore, what message those that send to the other players?

I think the players have voice their opinion on the subject too. I think Witten expressed who he and the locker room favors with his Romo comparison comment. What are you all's thoughts? Can someone other than floaty show me an example of Moore's football IQ?
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There is a difference between intelligence and being able to process a lot of information, and make the proper corrections in a few seconds.

I think Kellen is a smart guy. Intelligent. Dak gives him heaps of praise when he talks about last year. He knows the offense inside and out.

But when he is on the field, I don't think he can process what he sees quickly enough. He's is slow in his adjustments. Slow in making his reads. Slow in making his final decision.

He reminds me of RGIII in this respect. Griffin is a smart guy. But he is terrible at processing loads of information quickly. And thus, he failed miserably.

Prescott is not only smart, but he processes everything he sees quickly. All the great QB's do that. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.
 
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There is a difference between intelligence and being able to process a lot of information, and make the proper corrections in a few seconds.

I think Kellen is a smart guy. Intelligent. Dak gives him heaps of praise when he talks about last year. He knows the offense inside and out.

But when he is on the field, I don't think he can process what he sees quickly enough. He's is slow in his adjustments. Slow in making his reads. Slow in making his final decision.

He reminds me of RGIII in this respect. Griffin is a smart guy. But he is terrible at processing loads of information quickly. And thus, he failed miserably.

Prescott is not only smart, but he processes everything he sees quickly. All the great QB's do that. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.
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I'm not even sure Moore has that many fans in the building. This is all about Linehan having his guy and the team dealing with it to keep Lenihan around.
 
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adbutcher said:
Why are we overrating Kellen Moore's intelligence? His physical limitations have been well documented but for the life of me I cannot find any evidence that Kellen Moore has the necessary football intelligence to play in the NFL. He constantly holds the ball longer than he should and that is usually the sign of a confused QB. He constantly throws into double coverage and I rarely see him look off receivers. Even on his check downs he seems unsure.

His body language is also terrible. He never closes his mouth, which I conclude he is a mouth breather. I think the Cowboys are aware of this and I am confident they will do the right thing by cutting Moore. Rush outplayed him physically and with his mental grasp of the playbook. If the cowboys cut Rush instead of Moore, what message those that send to the other players?

I think the players have voice their opinion on the subject too. I think Witten expressed who he and the locker room favors with his Romo comparison comment. What are you all's thoughts? Can someone other than floaty show me an example of Moore's football IQ?
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But he throws a wonderful sideline fade though!?!
 
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Kellen Moore likely has high verbal comprehension and perceptual reasoning and relatively lower processing speed.
 
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We have to convince ourselves he's Einstein on the field, other Linehan is really ready for the insane asylum, because there is no universe in which Moore is an NFL level QB.
 
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I fall in the camp of Moore being smart but limited physically. A perfect example of this was a play against the Colts in the first half. Moore took a sack on a play where he had a receiver open down field but didn't make the throw. Moore saw him but at the very last minute, saw a defender drop into the passing lane. If he had an NFL type strong arm, he probably makes that throw and either completes it or gets it picked/deflected. He doesn't so he elected not to make the throw. He knows what he can and can't do but the real problem is that what he can't do is magnified because we have Dak and he looks like he might be able to do it all.

I don't hate on Moore. He's a Cowboy and I try to support him. I do believe we need to upgrade the #2 spot but until that time comes, I will continue to support Moore. Does no good to do otherwise.
 
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RXP said:
There is a difference between intelligence and being able to process a lot of information, and make the proper corrections in a few seconds.

I think Kellen is a smart guy. Intelligent. Dak gives him heaps of praise when he talks about last year. He knows the offense inside and out.

But when he is on the field, I don't think he can process what he sees quickly enough. He's is slow in his adjustments. Slow in making his reads. Slow in making his final decision.

He reminds me of RGIII in this respect. Griffin is a smart guy. But he is terrible at processing loads of information quickly. And thus, he failed miserably.

Prescott is not only smart, but he processes everything he sees quickly. All the great QB's do that. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.
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Great point but I think it is not much about the processing itself .Sometimes a smart person can outsmart himself by thinking about too many variables in a short time which might lead to a poor decision.It is over-analyzing and trying to be perfect. simplicity sometimes yield a better result.
 
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The Fonz said:
Great point but I think it is not much about the processing itself .Sometimes a smart person can outsmart himself by thinking about too many variables in a short time which might lead to a poor decision.It is over-analyzing and trying to be perfect. simplicity sometimes yield a better result.
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None of us are in his head so we can't know for sure.

But when I see him play, that's what it looks like to me. And his shortcoming are compounded by his obvious physical shortcomings that everyone knows about.
 
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None of us are in his head so we can't know for sure.

But when I see him play, that's what it looks like to me. And his shortcoming are compounded by his obvious physical shortcomings that everyone knows about.
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True and if not for Rush he would be still our best option.
 
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