Why are we still in salary cap hell?

[LocimusPrime]

Happen like get the Cowboys ready to win Super Bowl 52

Oh you bet brother!

 

[Nightman]

The acceleration of dead money is the basis for choosing who to restructure. If moving accounting to future years is good then bringing it back to the present is bad.

Any player that is an injury risk or is underperforming is a candidate for a cut. Restructuring those guys should be done last if at all.

If Dez had a cap hit of 10m it would be crazy to make it 17m just for fun.......wasting another 7m instead of signing a player or 2 is terrible cap mangament,.......it gets Dez off the books at the expense of winning.......terrible........not restructuring is the same exact thing.......intentionally taking a huge cap hit just for some irrational fear of the future

 

[Nightman]

At least I'm not a liar.

You lie to yourslef every post you make ........ at least I hope you do because your posts are really ignorant

 

[Nightman]

We do this dance every year and every year DAL ends up restructuring almost every one of their restructurable deals......they just do it piece-meal and not all at once

 

[conner01]

Based on current numbers, without restructured, we are right up against the cap. Whereas many other teams are wrll under it. While I know we can restructure and release, I still consider it salary cap hell because we cannot make a big signing without a lot of machinations.

Those "machinations" are built in and intentional

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If the cap for offense and defense were separate, you'd have a point. But they're not. Every contract affects another since it all comes out of the same pot. No scapegoating.



Sure I can. And I hope you're willing to admit that overpaying Crawford affects what you have left for any other contract, regardless of it being offense or defense.



No doubt about it. I just hoped to see a bigger improvement betweeen years one and two than we did. And I did see a big improvement in Leary's game. We all hope the dropoff from Leary to whoever they put there (I'd also like to see Cooper as an option), isn't too noticeable, or not at all.

They can frontload contracts and do what you want but that still means that the defense is going to have half as many assets on defense as there are on offense. We are still going to struggle against the top QBs and be unable to control games where we will always meet them like in the playoffs.

It's hard to tell exactly what the issue was in terms of the running game. Game 1 was the Giants and Leary did not do much better in the second than Collins did in the first.

In the second game the running game improved. Let's not forget that by Zeke and the club's own admission, Zeke was struggling with his reads and patience after missing most of camp and the preseason due to injury.

Collins was hurt in the third game in the second series. He basically did not play.

I'm not convinced that Leary is appreciably better than Collin particularly once you consider player development. Collins started over Leary two years running.

 

[Stash]

You lie to yourslef every post you make ........ at least I hope you do because your posts are really ignorant

Pot meet kettle.

At least I don't make up numbers and lie about them being true.

 

[Verdict]

I think they have to let Leary go, they've got no choice given the position they're in. That's what I've been saying. But I don't want to hear talk of "doing whatever they want" while watching one of their ten best players walk out the door. That's bull****.[/QUOTE]

That's what I have been saying.

 

[LocimusPrime]

We do this dance every year and every year DAL ends up restructuring almost every one of their restructurable deals......they just do it piece-meal and not all at once

This is true Dallas and other teams always free up what they need

 

[Verdict]

We do this dance every year and every year DAL ends up restructuring almost every one of their restructurable deals......they just do it piece-meal and not all at once

I think you are missing the point. I don't think Stash is arguing about how, or why, or the merits of restructuring. He is saying don't say we have a plethora, bevy, abundance or overwhelming cap room when we have a top flight guy walking out the door specifically because of the cap implications of resigning him. Because without the cap, we would resign Leary in a heartbeat.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

We'll see and then you can stuff it...hows that for childish

 

[Stash]

They can frontload contracts and do what you want but that still means that the defense is going to have half as many assets on defense as there are on offense. We are still going to struggle against the top QBs and be unable to control games where we will always meet them like in the playoffs.

And that's why the help for the defense will have to come through the draft. They have so much tied up in the offense (at present), and there simply aren't enough good options that will be available. But I will always feel that they could and should have done a better job of controlling that

It's hard to tell exactly what the issue was in terms of the running game. Game 1 was the Giants and Leary did not do much better in the second than Collins did in the first.

In the second game the running game improved. Let's not forget that by Zeke and the club's own admission, Zeke was struggling with his reads and patience after missing most of camp and the preseason due to injury.

Collins was hurt in the third game in the second series. He basically did not play.

I'm not convinced that Leary is appreciably better than Collin particularly once you consider player development. Collins started over Leary two years running.

And I think that Collins starting had to do with several factors, and not simply because he was a 'much better player'. Leary's play in 2016 shows us just the opposite to be true.

The team knew about Leary's knee and upcoming free agency. If you can get comparable play for much less, of course you would.

 

[Stash]

I think you are missing the point. I don't think Stash is arguing about how, or why, or the merits of restructuring. He is saying don't say we have a plethora, bevy, abundance or overwhelming cap room when we have a top flight guy walking out the door specifically because of the cap implications of resigning him. Because without the cap, we would resign Leary in a heartbeat.

Bingo!

 

[LatinMind]

Based on current numbers, without restructured, we are right up against the cap. Whereas many other teams are wrll under it. While I know we can restructure and release, I still consider it salary cap hell because we cannot make a big signing without a lot of machinations.

they can be 30-40mil under the cap if they want with 5 moves. Simple moves that are built into the contracts. i have no idea what ur going on about.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You're absolutely right. Restructuring gets you stuck with players underperforming their contracts like Crawford with deals you can't get out of. Some people just aren't as smart as they think they are.

Crawford's deal is not one we can't get out of. It's also not a deal we want to get out of. Does he make a million or two more than his production warrants?

Probably. But we made a calculated gamble. Just hasn't totally paid off. It happens.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I'm not interested in continuing to debate an already well-established point.



Check yourself before you try to preach to anyone else.

I don't think "well established" means what you think it does.

 

[Joe Realist]

It will be hell when its time to pay Dak, which will happen in off-season of 2018.

 

[Alexander]

This is true Dallas and other teams always free up what they need

"Need" and "want" are two different things.

Each and every year the same song and dance. "We can do whatever we want in free agency". "Stephen laughs at the concept of cap hell".

That is pure nonsense. Every team would love to have more cap space, especially this one. But there is a budget to maintain.

That won't stop people around here dreaming that we cancook the books and get whatever high priced free agent they have a liking for.

Oh, we can get Dontari Poe. We could make a run at Chandler Jones. At citing how "possible" it is.

No, it might as well be impossible because it is laughably unlikely.

We know right now what the team is going to do. They will ride out the first few weeks and then start sniffing around the table to see what fell off. Then after being rejected by some of that, dig even deeper. That is the new cap hell, which is basically being forced to live on a budget paying for your past sins and mistakes.

 

[Stash]

Crawford's deal is not one we can't get out of. It's also not a deal we want to get out of. Does he make a million or two more than his production warrants?

Probably. But we made a calculated gamble. Just hasn't totally paid off. It happens.

Thanks for sharing your opinions on the subject, but they're opinions I do not share.

At this point, he costs about the same to keep as he does to release, $10 million- plus. He's not worth half of that.

And he's not worth it because he doesn't even have a true starting role on this team, and everybody knows it and are just afraid to admit it. Maliek Collins was a better 3T as a rookie. David Irving was a better and more disruptive option at LDE.

So now, we have a guy without a true scheme fit costing $10 million. That's not an "it happens" situation, it's a colossal blunder situation.

Certainly not anything to simply shrug your shoulders about.

 

[Stash]

I don't think "well established" means what you think it does.

I think it does. 2016 Leary was a better player than Collins has been to this point. Tell yourself whatever else you need to, just spare the rest of us.