Why Barron ?

[jnday]

For the 3rd time. Coverage skills are very important for a good safety. Absolutely required and Barron has them.

Elite coverage skills? There a difference to what extent elite coverage skills are. Corners usually posess those and rarely is there ever more than 2 that do in a draft. If safeties has elite coverage skills they would be starting corners.

You need to be realistic. Now if you want to say elite for the safety level we're making more sense and though I don't think Barron's coverage skills are that of Berry's or Thomas', it is not by as large of a margin you make it out to be. To add, those guys are back there keeping the ball in front of them and aren't micing it up going after the QB or covering rb's and TE's as much as Rob Ryan would have a player like Mark Barron do. It's no secret Rob Ryan likes his safeties to be able to blitz and hit and not just cover. Cover well, yes, but not just that. Barron is as versatile a safety since Sean Taylor.

That's the level of talent and play by play impact we're talking about here with Barron. This guys started on 2 national championship teams and has played that well throughout all physical circumstances at the highest level in college football. This guy is battle tested like Taylor was and more so than Earl Thomas was coming out.

You need to really look at this guy and I can't see how you have watched him these past 2 years and claim him to be an in the box safety only?

Barron is a much more highly regarded prospect than Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett. Much more talented in every facet of being a safety. I don't know where you get this information but it sounds quite outdated.

You really only offer comments like "just trade down, it's that simple." "He's not elite enough in coverage to pick at # 14." You're comparing to Eric Berry who was a 5th overall pick, Earl Thomas who came out as a sophmore and was still selected at 14. Sean Taylor who has similar make up to Barron I compare him to and was a 5th overall pick.

Details, man. Not just comments.

I could go into details for half the night and it is not going to change your mind . You have a serious man-crush that has blinded you . Did you just get the crush , or is it a long term thing ? I see some of your points , but this guy is not at the level that you want him to be . Barron is an above average safety with average coverage skills . When I use the term elite coverage skills , I apply that to the safety position . Cornerback coverage skills is another conversation . I am not alone in my evaluation . Every scouting report that list his faults has coverage as a weakness . Truth be known , Barron has been helped more by a great pass rush than his actual skills . You are downplaying safety coverage too much . In the pass happy game of today , what should be more important ? How much good can a safety do when he doesn't have the ability to help in coverage ?

 

[theogt]

I can't handle the spacing -- couldn't make it through the whole post. What the hell is up with that?

 

[AKATheRake]

I could go into details for half the night and it is not going to change your mind . You have a serious man-crush that has blinded you . Did you just get the crush , or is it a long term thing ? I see some of your points , but this guy is not at the level that you want him to be . Barron is an above average safety with average coverage skills . When I use the term elite coverage skills , I apply that to the safety position . Cornerback coverage skills is another conversation . I am not alone in my evaluation . Every scouting report that list his faults has coverage as a weakness . Truth be known , Barron has been helped more by a great pass rush than his actual skills . You are downplaying safety coverage too much . In the pass happy game of today , what should be more important ? How much good can a safety do when he doesn't have the ability to help in coverage ?

LOL! I actually would take Coples if he fell in a heartbeat over Barron. If Jenkins didn't have such a stupid history that's where the man crush would be.

For the value, our eternal need back there at safety and what Barron's offers as a whole package he's worthy of the 14th pick.

I can explain all night why your January info is outdated and that this guy won't be a late 1st round let alone what you say is a possible 2nd round prospect. But you want to live in that unrealistic world.

Mark Barron in the late 1st? 2nd? That's what his talent level corresponds against the rest of the drafts talent level? Cmon, look some new stuff up.

 

[AKATheRake]

I can't handle the spacing -- couldn't make it through the whole post. What the hell is up with that?

:laugh2: I assume you're talking about my posts. Funny thing is, I use proper paragraph formatting and I get the same reactions. The spacing actually gives me less. You're the first to say it.

Anyhow, according to this guy. Mark Barron is a borderline bottom 1st round - 2nd round talent. All of his info from January substantiates that and all the angles I have provided are beneath these so called reports and 2 years of footage he bases off of but won't substantiate.

 

[jnday]

:laugh2: I assume you're talking about my posts. Funny thing is, I use proper paragraph formatting and I get the same reactions. The spacing actually gives me less. You're the first to say it.

Anyhow, according to this guy. Mark Barron is a borderline bottom 1st round - 2nd round talent. All of his info from January substantiates that and all the angles I have provided are beneath these so called reports and 2 years of footage he bases off of but won't substantiate.

If you are too lazy too watch the games and see for yourself , you really don't want to know . I don't waste time providing info that is public knowledge . I only pointed out that Barron's rankings have changed from January with no new game tape or workouts . You should think for yourself sometimes . Jumping from one flavor of the week to the next can wear you down .

 

[jnday]

LOL! I actually would take Coples if he fell in a heartbeat over Barron. If Jenkins didn't have such a stupid history that's where the man crush would be.

For the value, our eternal need back there at safety and what Barron's offers as a whole package he's worthy of the 14th pick.

I can explain all night why your January info is outdated and that this guy won't be a late 1st round let alone what you say is a possible 2nd round prospect. But you want to live in that unrealistic world.

Mark Barron in the late 1st? 2nd? That's what his talent level corresponds against the rest of the drafts talent level? Cmon, look some new stuff up.

Man , you really have an eye.for talent . Coples has motor issues and is a 4-3 DE . You went from bad to worse .LOL
As for my January info , I have been checking draft sites and scouting reports since last August . I only pointed out that at one timr Barron was a late first / second round pick . My opinion hasn't changed . I check most of the draft sites bi-weekly . You should do the same . Maybe then you will realize Barron is weak in coverage .

 

[AKATheRake]

If you are too lazy too watch the games and see for yourself , you really don't want to know . I don't waste time providing info that is public knowledge . I only pointed out that Barron's rankings have changed from January with no new game tape or workouts . You should think for yourself sometimes . Jumping from one flavor of the week to the next can wear you down .

Have seen the tape. Looks damn good.

Calling me lazy cause you just shoot your mouth with no details other than saying you saw tape and read reports but have no examples. You're the lazy one.

Read something post January and if you really did watch his tape, you would see an undeniable playmaker. All over the field.

Flavor of the week. Funny.

More like a decade long need and we're at a pick that warrant's the selection for the talent value. I have rational for this pick.

 

[AKATheRake]

Man , you really have an eye.for talent . Coples has motor issues and is a 4-3 DE . You went from bad to worse .LOL
As for my January info , I have been checking draft sites and scouting reports since last August . I only pointed out that at one timr Barron was a late first / second round pick . My opinion hasn't changed . I check most of the draft sites bi-weekly . You should do the same . Maybe then you will realize Barron is weak in coverage .

He was actually a 4-3 DT. Put 5 - 10 lbs on his frame and he could play DE in the 3-4.

You also forget half of our snaps are in the 4-3 formation and 65% of defensive snaps in today's NFL are in the nickel formation. But you wouldn't know why this information is significant. You are just a talker. Nothing substantial detail wise out of your mouth to back up what you say.

Don't know what you know about football or what draft sites you're looking at but Barron is not by any means weak in coverage working within the strong safety position.

Apparently you know better than Nick Saban. I have answered your original question why Barron is being linked to us 2 1/2 weeks before the draft. Will he be the pick, maybe not. It is that time of year. But it makes sense to a lot of people whether you like it or not.

Would love to know who you feel is going to be there at 14 and who we should pick? If you feel we should trade back, then with who is our trade partner and who would we have the option of viably selecting at that spot?

 

[InmanRoshi]

I only pointed out that Barron's rankings have changed from January with no new game tape or workouts . You should think for yourself sometimes .

You state that Barron isn't worth the 14th pick because of "rankings" from some unspecificied crap internet sites from 3 months ago, and then tell people to go "think for themselves" in the next sentence?

That's some black belt caliber Troll-**.

 

[Leadbelly]

Barron's coverage skills are more than adequate. He doesnt excel at it, but he won't hurt you. His tackling ability and instincts are what makes him stand out. So no, he's not the 2nd coming of Ed Reed but I think Adrian Wilson would be a good comparison for Barrons potential.

Adrian Wilson went at the top of Round 3. Not sure that comparison is really helping the 'Draft Barron at #14' cause.

 

[theogt]

:laugh2: I assume you're talking about my posts. Funny thing is, I use proper paragraph formatting and I get the same reactions. The spacing actually gives me less. You're the first to say it.

Anyhow, according to this guy. Mark Barron is a borderline bottom 1st round - 2nd round talent. All of his info from January substantiates that and all the angles I have provided are beneath these so called reports and 2 years of footage he bases off of but won't substantiate.

Nah -- jnday's posts have weird spacing. Maybe it's a minor case of OCD, but I can't make it through them because of it.

 

[casmith07]

Good coverage ability, good ball skills, smart, athletic, good tackler, can play single high free safety or in the box strong safety.

He's basically everything you want in a safety and it's a position of need. That = no brainer.

PS, no one thought Ed Reed was the first coming of Ed Reed when he was in college.

:clap2:

 

[blandi60]

Why Barron - unanimous All american voted by media.
Team captain voted by team-mates.Described as most competitive player on team by a team-mate.
Rated 7th best football player in draft by NFL Network Charlie Casserly.
nfl.com mock drafts have him going between 14 and 16.
RKG going in right draft spot.

 

[RS12]

My biggest question about Barron is when was he last healthy? Not as an indication of him being injury prone but to see what his play was like when he was a 100%.

 

[blandi60]

My biggest question about Barron is when was he last healthy? Not as an indication of him being injury prone but to see what his play was like when he was a 100%.

He said on his interview for nfl.com he's had the hernia problem for two seasons.That would make his 7 interception season his last healthy one.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Why Barron - unanimous All american voted by media.
Team captain voted by team-mates.Described as most competitive player on team by a team-mate.
Rated 7th best football player in draft by NFL Network Charlie Casserly.
nfl.com mock drafts have him going between 14 and 16.
RKG going in right draft spot.

This, IMO, is why the Cowboys may consider him at 14.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

He said on his interview for nfl.com he's had the hernia problem for two seasons.That would make his 7 interception season his last healthy one.

Dallas has shown in the last few seasons (see their first round grades on Lee and Carter) that they tend to set their board up by looking beyond certain injuries if they do not appear to be of the recurring variety.

Methinks they may actually have Barron with a top ten grade where some other teams view him as middle of the round.

 

[blandi60]

Dallas has shown in the last few seasons (see their first round grades on Lee and Carter) that they tend to set their board up by looking beyond certain injuries if they do not appear to be of the recurring variety.

Methinks they may actually have Barron with a top ten grade where some other teams view him as middle of the round.

to be honest thats my feeling as well.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

The notion that teams will overdraft players simply because there are no viable options at that position is pretty ludicrous. In 2008, there were zero 1st round WR's taken in the 1st round (Donnie Avery at 33rd overall was the first).

Just last year, the first safety off the board was Rahim Moore at 45th overall. Based on this "Barron is a 1st round pick because no one else is any good" business sure didn't apply last April did it?

 

[visionary]

i am not exactly a fan of taking barron

however, knowing the history between saban and garrett, i am comfortable that if he is the pick at 14, we have done our due diligence and think he is the best option

if barron turns out to be the real deal and does indeed solve our FS problems long-term, it will have been worth the 14th pick

i just hope te next 3 picks are OL ad front 7