Why did it take Moore leaving for Dak to get "control" of the offense?

Dak isn't in any more control than before. He's had a voice in the room since he became a starter and still does. So far most of what's changed is run blocking scheme, and changed some principles on how they run the AC offense. Less option routes, little more wco use of RB in space and Mike calling plays and back to more 12 personnel mostly for blocking. Well see just how different things are but sounds like it may not be pre season.
 
It's just amazing what this team says. You can't believe anything you hear. I seem to remember how they were saying Beasley was uncoverable. I laughed when I heard that because what has suddenly changed that he can't be covered. Dak and his swivel hip thing was funny too. What other QB runs around emphasizing something that is so natural for other QBs.
 
Has anybody noticed the constant adjustments KM made to his base offense to match it to Daks skillset? He went from a slimed down version of Air Coryell to a short mostly horizontal WCO.
Watch CeeDee running 2yd drag routes which Kellen has cleared with vertical routes to give CeeDee maximum RAC.
Pollard running a tighter version of the wheel route and nobody touching him for 15 yds. Was the offense complex? Yes, but did it create space and ease of execution for Dak and playmakers? Re-watch the games.
I'm afraid we .might miss KM a wee bit.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
I've been reading reports on camp and the receivers seem to be impressing from Tuprin, Tolbert, Moreno-Cropper....I've heard conflicting stuff on Simi heard he's looked better as well.

Then there's talk of Dak taking control of the offense.

Why did it take Kellen Moore to leave for some of these things to happen?
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MM has a out if it’s a poor showing, he wants that 5th year and a extension. He’s thrown Dak under the bus before, can just see him telling Jerry I gave Dak to much control it will be fixed next year. This is Daks year to shine all the excuses are done with it’s put up or shut up time. A SB appearance is the minimum for MM or it’s time for the boot because Dak isn’t going anywhere as Jerry has said and somebody will have to take the fall.
 
I think this year will be very interesting. Kellen wasn’t perfect, but people are acting like we had a bottom 5 offensive the last 5 years. We literally had a top 3 offense last season and the top scoring offense the season before that

I’m wondering if we will look back and realize Kellen did a great job designing an offense Dak could play well in, and maybe Mikes west coast install is going to hurt him
 
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McMicah said:
I think this year will be very interesting. Kellen wasn’t perfect, but people are acting like we had a bottom 5 offensive the last 5 years. We literally had a top 3 offense last season and the top scoring offense the season before that
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The Cowboys scored 29 points combined in 2 season ending playoff losses the last 2 years.

So much for that high scoring offense. Show me in January when it really matters.
 
McMicah said:
I think this year will be very interesting. Kellen wasn’t perfect, but people are acting like we had a bottom 5 offensive the last 5 years. We literally had a top 3 offense last season and the top scoring offense the season before that

I’m wondering if we will look back and realize Kellen did a great job designing an offense Dak could play well in, and maybe Mikes west coast install is going to hurt him
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I'm pretty sure Prescott played well as a rookie, 13 games 11 in row took Romos job..

you know it got rookie of the year probably his best playoff game was as a rookie... I don't think Kellen Moore was anywhere on this team in 2016, Prescott is a top ten quarterback no matter who the coordinator is, let's just keep that clear.. Kellen Moore was a solid coach but that doesn't mean a change wasn't needed change was needed regardless of the why and who you want to blame.

I don't like the way he handled the run versus pass balance in a lot of games especially against the better teams, he abandoned the run too quickly I don't like the way he ran quite obvious plays with zeke and stuff up the middle too much he had some problems I mean when you only call 16 run plays and you don't even try to get Malik Davis in the second-half when power was out that's why he's gone. think of the bookends stat the season zeke running at 5.2 YPC game 1 and they go to pass happy what seemed to be a the same Gameplan from week one in 21 against the bucs and zeke gets 2 runs in the 2nd half and then the way the 9er game ended. Thats why hes gone.

Just because you make changes you're not making an accusation that a coach is bad you just wanna go in a different direction or new voice this etc
 
charron said:
Dak isn't in any more control than before. He's had a voice in the room since he became a starter and still does. So far most of what's changed is run blocking scheme, and changed some principles on how they run the AC offense. Less option routes, little more wco use of RB in space and Mike calling plays and back to more 12 personnel mostly for blocking. Well see just how different things are but sounds like it may not be pre season.
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I disagree it may not be big changes but just like Tony Romo as he got older and more comfortable, they allowed him to change plays more often and have a lot more control over the offense during games... think of it this way the way Kellen Moore ran his audibles it was just two plays called in the huddle and you can kill one of them and go from a pass to run or run to pass but they truly never gave him the freedom to just flat out call a different play. Like change a pass to a different pass or one run to a different type of run and I think sometimes when you get older, and you have more of a grasp on the league, they allow quarterbacks to have more control and I think in this case he's going to get that. It might be real subtle and it won't be quite obvious to fans but I think he is getting more control now...
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Yeah it just seems like we possibly wasted years under Moore though I get it he was a productive OC but they seemed to give him more leeway then I initially thought. This is why you don’t handcuff your head coach. Let him pick his staff.
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It would have been better if Jerry didn't insist on keeping Moore when JG was let go. He didn't keep Sean Payton when he needed to, but thay decision probably made him to not lose next Sean Payton or McVay. So he spent 3 seasons to make sure
 
big dog cowboy said:
The Cowboys scored 29 points combined in 2 season ending playoff losses the last 2 years.

So much for that high scoring offense. Show me in January when it really matters.
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Is that more about execution than playcalling? The regular season is what gives you the sample size to determine how good a given offense is. In that regular season, that offense (while not perfect) ranked very high despite not having the best WR corps.

Can we have a stellar offense in the regular season and a terrible one in the postseason? It was the same offense the whole time. The only thing I can’t point to is that once every 3-4 games Dak just randomly plays awful football. Happened in the opener, happened against GB and definitely happened against the 49ers.

So I go back wondering if it comes down to inconsistent QB play. If that’s the case, we will see that again this year no matter the offense. If it was Kellens playcalling, then we should see a big difference this year. I’m interested to see what happens
 
McMicah said:
Is that more about execution than playcalling? The regular season is what gives you the sample size to determine how good a given offense is. In that regular season, that offense (while not perfect) ranked very high despite not having the best WR corps.

Can we have a stellar offense in the regular season and a terrible one in the postseason? It was the same offense the whole time. The only thing I can’t point to is that once every 3-4 games Dak just randomly plays awful football. Happened in the opener, happened against GB and definitely happened against the 49ers.

So I go back wondering if it comes down to inconsistent QB play. If that’s the case, we will see that again this year no matter the offense. If it was Kellens playcalling, then we should see a big difference this year. I’m interested to see what happens
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I think for me I don’t or didn’t see Moore playing to our guys strengths. He played them wherever he wanted. Like why in the hell was Zeke the only one getting carried?
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Everybody talking bout me lolololololololol

I'm the new Dak.
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Oooh this is a new twist in your Dangerous obsession with Dak, now you want to be him, stalking him isnt enough anymore? What do you think they will name your true crime story?
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
I think for me I don’t or didn’t see Moore playing to our guys strengths. He played them wherever he wanted. Like why in the hell was Zeke the only one getting carried?
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That’s fair. There’s also the politics of it. Maybe Kellen knew Pollard was better but Mike wouldn’t stand up to Jerry and those types of things helped Kellen out the door? I doubt we will ever know those things until after Jerry passes
 
McMicah said:
That’s fair. There’s also the politics of it. Maybe Kellen knew Pollard was better but Mike wouldn’t stand up to Jerry and those types of things helped Kellen out the door? I doubt we will ever know those things until after Jerry passes
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And yeah that’s another thing. We don’t even know where to properly place blame but even when Pollard got hurt.:no Carrie’s for anyone.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
I've been reading reports on camp and the receivers seem to be impressing from Tuprin, Tolbert, Moreno-Cropper....I've heard conflicting stuff on Simi heard he's looked better as well.

Then there's talk of Dak taking control of the offense.

Why did it take Kellen Moore to leave for some of these things to happen?
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Kellen , was a Garrett disciple...Garrett's MO was to sabotage Wade to get the HC Positiion...wouldn't be surprised if Kellen didn’t learn from his mentor.
 
Regardless of what system is run, it basically boils down to execution; this is something the Cowboys have been consistently inconsistent in over the years. So I am expecting mixed results. Like most fans, I hold out hope that each year will be different…but it never is
 
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