Why do many on this board want Kellen Moore fired?

[RomoIsGod]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

 

[blueblood70]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Im indifferent

i believe change could be good for the team, new eyes and ideas to add to a core that the windows closing on soon.. not fired but wouldn't be upset if he left for promotion...

the run game still suffers from lack of creativity and commitment in his scheme. IMHO

 

[RomoIsGod]

They don't even have the best talent on offense. Yet they are averaging 36 points per game since the return of Dak.

 

[RoyalCowboy]

Because people don't know what they want, that's why.

 

[RonnieT24]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

his game management and sometimes his play design are too obvious. he has a Garrett streak in him, relying too much on execution as opposed to scheming his players, specially in pass route combinations he calls.

 

[Sydla]

I'd like to see him be a bit more traditional, more play action, less of the bizarre trick plays at the wrong time, etc.

 

[JohnsKey19]

his game management and sometimes his play design are too obvious. he has a Garrett streak in him, relying too much on execution as opposed to scheming his players, specially in pass route combinations he calls.

This. But I do think he's getting better as he gains experience.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

exactly....I am sick and tired of the run play where the WR runs across the formation, slows down just before the ball is snapped and tries to block the end...I mean he telegraphs that play and everyone knows its coming. so its a bit of a garrett streak relying too much on perfect execution....even my teenage kids see that formation and play and call a run up the middle.....he is very streaky in his play calling. and his game management as you said, feel for the game leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[kskboys]

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

Good stuff.

I'm not nearly as versed w/ the Xs and Os as you are, but the stuff I see is maddening. Forcing 30-40 yard passes for no reason. Running out of the shotgun way too much. Throwing long passes on 2nd/3rd and short.

I honestly don't think KMo understands what long drives does to the opposing team, and the negative effects quick scoring can have on your team. ATL found out in the super bowl vs NE. I don't think their D could've stopped a HS team in the 4th. That was actually a good D, and they were completely gassed.

Like you said, a feel for the game/situation/personnel appears to be just lacking in his mind.

 

[kskboys]

exactly....I am sick and tired of the run play where the WR runs across the formation, slows down just before the ball is snapped and tries to block the end...I mean he telegraphs that play and everyone knows its coming. so its a bit of a garrett streak relying too much on perfect execution....even my teenage kids see that formation and play and call a run up the middle.....he is very streaky in his play calling. and his game management as you said, feel for the game leaves a lot to be desired.

Absolutely. Which is to be expected from a young guy who was promoted way too soon to a position he was not ready for.

I like a lot of what he does, but he desperately needs a voice in his ear teaching him some very basic very important stuff. There's no salary cap on coaches, for Bog's sake Jerry, get him some help.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

They don't even have the best talent on offense. Yet they are averaging 36 points per game since the return of Dak.

You’re going to be hard pressed to find that many teams with more talent on offense. We’re definitely top 10

 

[jazzcat22]

Still too predictable. Yes the stats speak for themselves, and the defense been giving up more points as well.

But Moore's offense is like Garrett / Lineman tree. Defenses still knows what is coming. So it depends upon matchups as well. We always matched up well with the Eagles, and basically out man them.
Other defense such as SF, not so much. Heck we even have a tough time the GB & TB as well.

They need more creativity to overcome those teams. Also our WR's never seem to be wide open as other teams. And it is not because those teams skill players are better.
When was the last time we seen one of our WR wide open or lead a defender by 2 or 3 yards. The exception being CeeDee in the Eagles game, from supposedly a blown coverage.
Hilton's catch was just a great throw and catch, as the defense was all over him.

KC has receivers open all the time, SF as well, and deep. GB, they are coming around. Miami, if Tua is not getting sacked, LAC at times.
Moore can't scheme anyone open.

The run game is the same plays over and over, with Zeke and Pollard, they should be getting more yards. Could be the blocking schemes as well.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Absolutely. Which is to be expected from a young guy who was promoted way too soon to a position he was not ready for.

I like a lot of what he does, but he desperately needs a voice in his ear teaching him some very basic very important stuff. There's no salary cap on coaches, for Bog's sake Jerry, get him some help.

he hasn't had the right mentor, he hasn't seen much different styles, schemes, he learned from Linehan, garrett, and mcCarthy is hands off. he is experimenting his way and learning as you go, in the meantime we are losing years...

 

[RonnieT24]

Good stuff.

I'm not nearly as versed w/ the Xs and Os as you are, but the stuff I see is maddening. Forcing 30-40 yard passes for no reason. Running out of the shotgun way too much. Throwing long passes on 2nd/3rd and short.

I honestly don't think KMo understands what long drives does to the opposing team, and the negative effects quick scoring can have on your team. ATL found out in the super bowl vs NE. I don't think their D could've stopped a HS team in the 4th. That was actually a good D, and they were completely gassed.

Like you said, a feel for the game/situation/personnel appears to be just lacking in his mind.

Yeah I initially held out hope that he would eventually develop that feel but then I remembered that Garrett never really did and the only thing that saved him from oblivion was that Romo reached full Jedi master level in the offense and was able to match wits with good DCs on his own. Truth be told Garrett never could win those matchups. I'm not sure Moore can either.. So our only hope is that Dak will go to the Degoba system and learn from Master Yoda how to punk opposing DCs. Maybe invite Romo over for film study?

 

[CouchCoach]

Because we are entitled to think we need the best. He is not the worst, by far, but he isn’t the best.

When things don’t go right, someone must be blamed and the way he was hired reminds many of Garrett.

Many also believe that the Cowboys are too high profile of a franchise to have on the job training for such a critical position.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah I initially held out hope that he would eventually develop that feel but then I remembered that Garrett never really did and the only thing that saved him from oblivion was that Romo reached full Jedi master level in the offense and was able to match wits with good DCs on his own. Truth be told Garrett never could win those matchups. I'm not sure Moore can either.. So our only hope is that Dak will go to the Degoba system and learn from Master Yoda how to punk opposing DCs. Maybe invite Romo over for film study?

His mindset appears to be to simply constantly challenge downfield. That can work in college, but it's just not an NFL super bowl type O.

 

[LonnieElam]

I'm on the fence. I wouldn't be upset if he left. He's the last stench of Garrett, and has that "lets run on the worst pass defense; they'll never expect that" mentality.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have no issue with Moore, does not mean I agree with every play call? then again Dallas has never had an OC where I agreed with every call. Moore offense continues to rank with top teams despite the fact that so many want to tell us our QB is below avg. During the 5 game stint this season where we had to depend on backup QB Moore was able to get us through this period winning 4 of 5 games. When you look at the overall picture the Offense under Moore has been amongst the league leading offense.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Absolutely. Which is to be expected from a young guy who was promoted way too soon to a position he was not ready for.

I like a lot of what he does, but he desperately needs a voice in his ear teaching him some very basic very important stuff. There's no salary cap on coaches, for Bog's sake Jerry, get him some help.

I think Jerry has gone out of his way to do this. You have an offensive minded head coach, a heavy veteran offensive assistant coaching staff with Skip Peete, Joe Philbon, and Robert Prince who have around 60 years of combined experience, including OC and HC experience in Philbon. Jerry also went out and hired McAdoo as a consultant last year, and Brian Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer will be a name to watch this offseason. I'm hopeful Jerry finds a way to keep him around or KM finds a HC gig and Schottenheimer can be our OC. Dude was the scapegoat in Seattle and then drew the short straw and ended up in Jacksonville under Meyer. Prior to that was an up and coming offensive guru though.