Why do many on this board want Kellen Moore fired?

[Doomsday101]

I think Moore being a left over from the Garrett era is a main reason people go after Moore. Hell Cowboys are about as balanced an offense as can be, Cowboys have thrown it 477 and ran it 472

 

[BoysForLife]

nobody know less about football than you do

 

[Acceptablename]

Is it broke?

 

[charron]

I think Moore would be better if he learned how to be a better coach. He wasn't ready to be a leader of men, not had the technical ability to fine tune the schemes he draws up. When things are clicking man this offense is fun to watch but when it's not it's those little details that are breaking down too much. I do wish Mike McCarthy would help him grow as a leader of men, as a play designer, etc and it seems he did some of that earlier this year but not sure why it took him so long to step in and help just a bit.

 

[Cmac]

I would say it's the range of plays that go unnoticed, but are baffling. Last game......chance to place the game out of reach, given time that would be left if a TD is scored. Dak is passing inside the 10. As a result.....on 2nd down, Dak should have tossed the ball away instead of taking a sack, but that would stop clock or not render a timeout, and we loss yardage. Move the chains. The real question is "Why pass?"......in that situation.....and we just questioned that against Jax. Situational football failure burned us at Jax and could have easily done so against Philly. Eagles ended with an attempt in the Endzone that could have won the game. That's one of the main reasons why Air Coryell Jr gets questioned. Denver please call after the season!!

 

[Acceptablename]

Well let’s look at it, DAK is a bad quarterback, MM does nothing and it’s a horrible head coach, Kellen Moore can’t call plays situationally, The offensive line coach is the worst in the NFL. I don’t know how we got to the playoffs?

 

[RonnieT24]

I think judging someone’s “feel for the game” is very subjective. Most of the time I feel Moore does a pretty good job adjusting the gameplan to the situation. He slowed down the offense drastically when Dak went down and I think that was a key factor in Dallas staying afloat during that rough stretch of schedule with a backup QB. It helped limit turnovers and put the defense in a position to take over the game, kept opposing offenses off the field more and basically kicked up the game when opponents would much rather be in a shootout. He has adjusted well at halftimes overall (which could also be a criticism of the original gameplan) which again shows he is pretty flexible as an OC. Even in games versus the Packers and Jacksonville which the cowboys threw away, the offense actually came through with some late drives.

Before Moore took over the play calling the Cowboys were notorious for scoring on their opening drive and making the other team play catch up. The slow starts did not show up until he did. I applauded him for staying with the conservative game plan with Rush at QB and really wanted him to stick to that when Dak came back and only dial up the passing game when need be. People read that as "never pass until you're way behind" but it's nothing of the kind. It means pass when you WANT to.. in situations when it makes sense .. but as long as the running game is killin it and the defense is smothering the other team why take chances and give them life? There have been too many games where the running game has been hammering the defense and we go completely away from it. This last game was obviously not such a game. The Eagles d-line won at the point of attack which forced us to throw to win. Which we did.. But we also smartly kept sprinkling in the run. But after they got inside the 10 yard line there with under 2 minutes to play what the hell were we doing passing and taking sacks? Saving them time outs while going backwards? That's the kinda crap that makes me want to see him leave town.

As for your criticism of his red zone offense, it is second in the league after Philly, which is not bad.

I don’t think Moore is perfect, he has several plays that he seems to call every single game which fail seemingly every time which does get on my nerves. Overall though, I don’t think this offense is amazingly talented, but they are putting a hell of a lot of points on the board anyways. That is not just limited to this year. His body of work is pretty impressive and I do not think he will be as easily replaced as many on this board seem to think.

We'll have to agree to disagree. This team has a top 10 QB, a top 10 WR, a top 10 TE group, a top 10 offensive line and a top 5 at worst RB duo. That's some serious talent.

 

[Cydios]

He's kinda like the QB at times..

 

[RonnieT24]

I would say it's the range of plays that go unnoticed, but are baffling. Last game......chance to place the game out of reach, given time that would be left if a TD is scored. Dak is passing inside the 10. As a result.....on 2nd down, Dak should have tossed the ball away instead of taking a sack, but that would stop clock or not render a timeout, and we loss yardage. Move the chains. The real question is "Why pass?"......in that situation.....and we just questioned that against Jax. Situational football failure burned us at Jax and could have easily done so against Philly. Eagles ended with an attempt in the Endzone that could have won the game. That's one of the main reasons why Air Coryell Jr gets questioned. Denver please call after the season!!

Exactamundo!! No feel for the situation.. Every one of us screamed "WHY THE HELL ARE WE PASSING?" right when that play was snapped. And apparently no lesson was learned from failure to mange the clock just last week. It's absolutely maddening..

 

[Direwolf63]

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

Moore's points per game and offensive rankings speak for themselves. Those numbers supersede all this bunk

He may leave for a HC job. But to fire him would be complete stupidity. The chances you upgrade the points per game with another guy is near zero.

All you guys will regret when he leaves

 

[817Gill]

Only complaint for me is his situational awareness. Poorly timed trick plays and strange decision making on when to pass vs run. Also wish he’d have a bit more variance to his route combos.

That being said he’s still a good OC with all things considered. Every fanbase complains about their playcalling, but when you’re as effective as the offense has been this season you can’t be calling for the guys head.

In a perfect world, I’d have someone who runs either Andy Reid’s system or Shanahan’s. Doesn’t get better than those two schemes.

 

[Direwolf63]

People pointing to a play here and a play there with a total inability to look at the big picture around here is startling

 

[RonnieT24]

People pointing to a play here and a play there with a total inability to look at the big picture around here is startling

Dude I can point to 50 plays if you have time. Starting with the idiotic flea flicker.. Or maybe the delay handoff where we don't block back side. The all go routes with no outlet receiver on 3rd and medium against JAX. How about the fade route forcing the receiver to look back into the sun.. And DGMS on the dropback 9 yards on first and goal with under 2 minutes in the game and you already in FG range and all you need to do is eat clock and time outs and you salt the game away. AND you have the best short yardage runner in the league in your backfield. So let's PASS cause they won't be expecting that.. You know why? Because is STOOPID that's why!

No one is questioning that MOST of the plays he calls work.. but the better the defense you face the lower that work/fail ratio is going to get. So you can't be calling plays that even bad defenses blow up when you face a good one. That's my main issue .. We have some plays that are either poorly designed or just poorly executed more often than not. And we have a ton of film on those plays by now. Watch them and either fix what's broken in the design or the execution or stop calling them. Too many of our plays require the guy with the ball to go ham to be successful.. You're not always going to be able to that on other great players.. of which there are many in this league. Sometimes the coach needs to call stuff that creates space for guys to do their thing.

 

[rambo2]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

I'll answer for you. They are either ignorant or stupid or both.

 

[Pentagruel]

Before Moore took over the play calling the Cowboys were notorious for scoring on their opening drive and making the other team play catch up. The slow starts did not show up until he did. I applauded him for staying with the conservative game plan with Rush at QB and really wanted him to stick to that when Dak came back and only dial up the passing game when need be. People read that as "never pass until you're way behind" but it's nothing of the kind. It means pass when you WANT to.. in situations when it makes sense .. but as long as the running game is killin it and the defense is smothering the other team why take chances and give them life? There have been too many games where the running game has been hammering the defense and we go completely away from it. This last game was obviously not such a game. The Eagles d-line won at the point of attack which forced us to throw to win. Which we did.. But we also smartly kept sprinkling in the run. But after they got inside the 10 yard line there with under 2 minutes to play what the hell were we doing passing and taking sacks? Saving them time outs while going backwards? That's the kinda crap that makes me want to see him leave town.




We'll have to agree to disagree. This team has a top 10 QB, a top 10 WR, a top 10 TE group, a top 10 offensive line and a top 5 at worst RB duo. That's some serious talent.

The offense has scored drastically more points per game since he became OC. There are obviously more nuances to make a complete judgement but that is a pretty easy baseline to use. When you score almost a touchdown more per game then your predecessor then its hard to argue you are doing a worse job. Furthermore, comparing the Dallas offense to the league in general they stack up pretty favorably as well during his tenure.

As for the roster, I think it is strong but not elite. I’d say Dak is around 6-10 range for QB, the receiver group I would value middle of the pack around 15 and I’d agree with a top 5 rushing attack. The OL is schizophrenic with exceptional run blocking but poor pass protection which again harms the passing attack. It’s a good offensive roster that is producing at an elite level. That speaks wel of Moore in my opinion.

 

[fansince68]

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

Perfect assessment!

 

[JayFord]

its his situational playcalling and overall feel for the game

i use this example frequently

hes a 5 star chef any day of the week unless high end clientele come in and food reviewers come in and then he take a prime rib and soaks it in ketchup and adds cheetos to wagyu steaks after boiling it

once he has momentum he pulls out the dumbest plays...there was no reason for that reverse flea flicker after a turnover...none....

and the amount of screens he runs knowing theyre sucessful for us 10% of the time is baffling

 

[kskboys]

I think Jerry has gone out of his way to do this. You have an offensive minded head coach, a heavy veteran offensive assistant coaching staff with Skip Peete, Joe Philbon, and Robert Prince who have around 60 years of combined experience, including OC and HC experience in Philbon. Jerry also went out and hired McAdoo as a consultant last year, and Brian Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer will be a name to watch this offseason. I'm hopeful Jerry finds a way to keep him around or KM finds a HC gig and Schottenheimer can be our OC. Dude was the scapegoat in Seattle and then drew the short straw and ended up in Jacksonville under Meyer. Prior to that was an up and coming offensive guru though.

Yes, but has he hired the right guy? It doesn't appear to be the case as we still tend to go pass happy at the worst possible moments. JAX game and GB game come to mind. The playcalling was atrocious in the 4th of both those games.

 

[fansince68]

Absolutely. Which is to be expected from a young guy who was promoted way too soon to a position he was not ready for.

I like a lot of what he does, but he desperately needs a voice in his ear teaching him some very basic very important stuff. There's no salary cap on coaches, for Bog's sake Jerry, get him some help.

I wonder sometimes if he does film study of HIS offense to analyze what's working and not working. We have OBVIOUS tendencies that need to be changed or used to scheme our opponent. Our defense is gassed. It would be nice if we could focus on ball control to help balance things. That accepting the opening kickoff to go 3 and out is maddening.

 

[blueblood70]

I can't speak for others but I can certainly tell you why I personally want him gone.. It really comes down to one thing. Lack of feel for the game. "Yards are yards.." You remember that statement? When Moore tried to tell us that there is no difference between a 4 yard pass and a 4 yard run? That was the moment when I knew for sure that he doesn't get football and never will. It's not that he's a bad OC.. in fact he's a very good one overall. But I think the supreme talent of some of our players mask a lot of his deficiencies. We have a running play from shotgun that pulls the backside tackle across the formation and asks the running back to wait for that tackle to get to the hold before he hits it. At least 90% of the time when we run that play the backside defender just follows the backside tackle straight to the hole and the play is either blown up for a loss or at best Zeke and TP struggle ahead for a minimal gain. Every once in a while that backside DE will NOT follow the tackle and that tackle gets into the hole with a head of steam and blasts the linebacker out of the hole for a big gain. And that one big gain makes everybody forget the other 9 times the play got blown up.

Then there is the RIDICULOUS frequency with which we break the huddle in empty formation in the red zone. With one of the best short yardage runners in history in our backfield our go to is 5 wide empty backfield.

And last but not least.. his unwillingness to exploit favorable matchups on the reg. CeeDee had 100 yards and a TD at halftime.. and we barely looked in his direction in the second half. Moore seems to view the players as interchangeable chess pieces instead of taking their varied skillsets into account. I think this team has amazing offensive talent which a better OC would get even more out of it than we're even getting right now. I think that becomes even more important come playoff time.

i agree with most of that but CD was covered by 2-3 players in the 2nd half and that why Gallup, Furgeson, pollard and TY made soem big plays..it happens a team adjusts and takes away a player that burning them big time and its great that we had other make them pay.