Why does Witten get a pass?

LatinMind;3658430 said:
go after a fan favorite and the fan ****'s will come out, and try to be clever.

its no doubt witten's production has gone down and some of it is because of the talent around him. but his mental mistakes have sure gone up.

no complaints on him from me. i know he isnt going to win any games for the cowboys. but then he is a te.

id take vernon davis over him in a heartbeat tho.


SO the coaching, the lack of offensive line, the lack of talent , anything else ring a problem?
 
TheCoolFan;3658448 said:
Witten is no leader...let's be real here.


Basically. There is no leader on the team. Offense or defense. Dez has the potential to be a good one though.
 
ShiningStar;3658438 said:
SO the coaching, the lack of offensive line, the lack of talent , anything else ring a problem?

no i think witten needs to keep his hands in from grabbing players and knowing the snap count. im tired of hearing people blaming coaches for players taking shortcuts. witten is good enough to kn ow thats illegal.

wait now that i reread ur post it doesnt even make sense to why u replied to me.
 
Where in the world did anyone get the notion that Witten hasn't been productive this season? At his current pace, he'll finish the season with 85 catches for 975 yards. Only 10 tight ends in history (including Witten) have ever had 85 catches in a season, and only 15 (including Witten) have ever had 975 yards in a season. He's done each three times, so this would make it four, tying the most times anyone has done it. His yards per catch is right at his career average, and his average yards after the catch (5.1) is the highest of his career.

Ask every NFL head coach or general manager to pick one tight end for his team to make a Super Bowl run this season, and Witten would easily be one of the top two or three mentioned.

OK, he gets a little antsy at times and has three false starts this season, but good grief, some people are vastly underrating his performance this season.
 
AdamJT13;3658469 said:
Where in the world did anyone get the notion that Witten hasn't been productive this season? At his current pace, he'll finish the season with 85 catches for 975 yards. Only 10 tight ends in history (including Witten) have ever had 85 catches in a season, and only 15 (including Witten) have ever had 975 yards in a season. He's done each three times, so this would make it four, tying the most times anyone has done it. His yards per catch is right at his career average, and his average yards after the catch (5.1) is the highest of his career.

Ask every NFL head coach or general manager to pick one tight end for his team to make a Super Bowl run this season, and Witten would easily be one of the top two or three mentioned.

OK, he gets a little antsy at times and has three false starts this season, but good grief, some people are vastly underrating his performance this season.


and Adam laying tracks on peoples fantasy that every player on this team sucks.
 
Wanna know why Witten gets a "pass?" Not because he's a high character guy, team leader, etc., etc. He produces on the field where it matters.

He has a penalty problem, but you know what? Dez wasn't the only one still balling at the end of the game when Romo went down. If I'm not mistaken, Witten prolly had his most catches in a game this season.

So it's really that simple. He's not perfect, but Witten's a baller. Period.

/homer out
 
AdamJT13;3658469 said:
Where in the world did anyone get the notion that Witten hasn't been productive this season? At his current pace, he'll finish the season with 85 catches for 975 yards. Only 10 tight ends in history (including Witten) have ever had 85 catches in a season, and only 15 (including Witten) have ever had 975 yards in a season. He's done each three times, so this would make it four, tying the most times anyone has done it. His yards per catch is right at his career average, and his average yards after the catch (5.1) is the highest of his career.

Ask every NFL head coach or general manager to pick one tight end for his team to make a Super Bowl run this season, and Witten would easily be one of the top two or three mentioned.

OK, he gets a little antsy at times and has three false starts this season, but good grief, some people are vastly underrating his performance this season.
I can explain that.

Football

_______

their heads
 
I got blasted not to long ago for suggesting Witten was on the down turn. Welcome to reality...Witten is a player we need to make a hard decision on.

FYI, I love everything Witten has accomplished. However, I believe in the Bill Belichick system. Make the hard decisions regardless of the fans feelings...
 
WoodysGirl;3658477 said:
Wanna know why Witten gets a "pass?" Not because he's a high character guy, team leader, etc., etc. He produces on the field where it matters.

He has a penalty problem, but you know what? Dez wasn't the only one still balling at the end of the game when Romo went down. If I'm not mistaken, Witten prolly had his most catches in a game this season.

So it's really that simple. He's not perfect, but Witten's a baller. Period.

/homer out

Except when it really matters, like against Tennessee, or when it could sway momentum slightly like at the end of the first half.

Glad he was balling when we were in desperation mode with a very small chance to win though.
 
stilltheguru;3658150 said:
Like what has he done to still be such a fan favorite? He prob makes the most mental mistakes on the team in crucial moments. Yeah, hes tough blah blah blah. But from the celebration penalties, false starts, holding, pass int. Why does he get a pass though? Esp for him being a captain you would think that he would be held to a higher standard.

why are you on a witch hunt? mood ring broke?
 
McLovin;3658356 said:
Witten doesn't block as good as he used to - check
Isn't as elusive -check
less speed than before - check
Really?

Well, let's see. He was on a pace for 85 catchs, 1,000 yards, and 4-5 touchdowns this year. His yearly averages over the course of his career are 74 catches, 852 yards, and 3.8 TDs (not counting this year).

If he's less elusive, slower, and generally not as good of a player as he used to be, how is it that he's having one of his most productive seasons?

Nope, not top 3.
Really?

Player - catches/yards/TDs - (So far this season)

Dallas Clark - 37/347/3
Chris Cooley - 35/392/2
Antonio Gates - 35/540/8
Zach Miller - 33/453/4
Vernon Davis - 32/422/4
Tony Gonzalez - 29/292/4
Jason Witten - 32/365/2

Now, these are their numbers per game. All players have played 7 games except for Clark and Witten.

Dallas Clark - 6.1/57.8/.5
Chris Cooley - 5/56/.28
Antonio Gates - 5/77.1/1.1
Zach Miller - 4.7/64.7/.57
Vernon Davis - 4.5/60.2/.57
Tony Gonzalez - 4.1/41.7/.57
Jason Witten - 5.3/60.8/.33

Witten has the 2nd most catches per game of TEs on this list behind Clark. He's number 3 in yards per game behind Gates and Miller. And he's 5th out of 7 for touchdowns. Okay, top 3 is debatable, but he's certainly in the discussion. The thing is, his production is so close to all the other tight ends on this list that if he's slowing down and losing a step, so are all the others.

LatinMind;3658430 said:
...its no doubt witten's production has gone down...
No, it hasn't.

AdamJT13;3658469 said:
Where in the world did anyone get the notion that Witten hasn't been productive this season?
He's taking heat for his penalties, and rightly so, but people can't stop there. If he's committing that many penalties, then OBVIOUSLY he MUST be having a bad year statistically too.

:rolleyes:
 
DallasDomination;3658202 said:
I put Witten as one of our most overrated players. over the last 2 seasons His play has droped. Bad penalties at bad times, He has no speed at all and if the ball is not perfectly thrown He doesnt catch it. he's about as overrated as they get. I like His blocking but that's about it.


McLovin;3658260 said:
Jason doesn't cost us games, but he is overrated.

He's probably 10th best in the league.

-V Davis
-Gates
-Finley
-Cooley
-Moeaki
-Dallas Clark
-T Gonzales
-B Celek
-Z Miller

He is not a liability as a player, but he isn't Gates, Finley or Davis either.

but he is getting ridiculously slow.


*Blinks*

Oh my.

The level of football ignorance continues to rise on this forum on a daily basis.
 
Hostile;3658520 said:
I can explain that.

Football​

_______​

their heads​


Unfortunately that seems to be happening more and more and more around here lately.
 
well now that Witten being the whipping boy obviously isn't going to fly and RW is playing good and Romo won't be on the field who do we slam next? How about that over paid, overated, grease finger worthless piece of crap Miles Austin? Why does he always get a pass? How about Ware? Where was he last week? What a bum.
 
Witten deserves to be chewed out for his penalties. And that is it.
 
DallasDomination;3658202 said:
I put Witten as one of our most overrated players. over the last 2 seasons His play has droped. Bad penalties at bad times, He has no speed at all and if the ball is not perfectly thrown He doesnt catch it. he's about as overrated as they get. I like His blocking but that's about it.

I'm with him. Witten has been one of my favorite players for several years now, but I agree with everything above.
 
5Stars;3658236 said:
What does all this mean, DallasEast?

Are you saying that if Witten talks to Sanders, you no longer will like him?


:confused:
I said it in jest, but it's a possibility. Like Terrell Owens, there would be absolutely less-than zero-necessity for Jason Witten to do a one-on-one, nationally televised 'call-out' interview (much less doing one with Deion Sanders).

If he ever chose to do one, I would seriously consider it. Things happen, but I extremely doubt this would ever become reality. It would be a pretty dumb move on Witten's part and he's not stupid.

I take that back. I cannot be 100% certain of how intelligent Witten is, but he has never come close to publicly demonstrating that fundamental level of stupidity. That would be the more accurate thing to say.
 

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