Why doesn't Marion Barber beat out Julius Jones

[KCCOWBOYSFAN]

And he missed a year due to failing school. He got his **** togeather now he is a Cowboy. If he sucks then why did Parcells draft him. He must see something we dont. Avenging do you work for Parcells? Because if you did then he would say "Your fired" Dude its hard to live up too Emmitt and everyone knows that. We would still be looking for running backs if it werent for JJ coming along. Hes no Emmitt and neither is MB but come on give both of them a chance before we give up. I was ready to give up on Hambrick before the season started and I was right he was such a horrible back compared to many in the leauge. He couldnt gain nothing behind our line.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

I was joking when I said Jujo sukks. Thought everyone would catch that as I put an LOL at the end. I only said that in response to to someone saying Barber had to split time in college. Thats one way of looking at it, the other way is...WOW, Barber split time and his numbers are still alot better than Jujo's....

 

[burmafrd]

Look at their senior years and compare. By the way- JJ did it with a LOUSY team. Its easy to look good on a good team. MB had it easy- JJ did it the HARD WAY.

 

[burmafrd]

MB could not even win the job on his college team. NOt going to change in the pros. He is still the backup now and for as long as JJ is healthy.

 

[dbair1967]

Mark it down, If JJ goes down for an extended period than its Barbers job...PERIOD. Plus, like I said, he's the better blocking back, something hugely important in a twin t.e offense.

you mean like last yr when Jones came back and was immediately put back into the starting lineup once healthy?

David

 

[dbair1967]

WOW, Jujo must REALLY sukk then...LOL All I know is that Barber had better numbers than Jujo did in college. ALOT BETTER....

and that means what exactly?

college stats dont mean jack when projecting how a player will do in the NFL...there are too many variables that go into it...

if looking at "stats" were all that mattered in projecting players, we'd never see busts would we?

David

 

[tyke1doe]

MB could not even win the job on his college team. NOt going to change in the pros. He is still the backup now and for as long as JJ is healthy.

You do know that the same was said about Cadillac Williams, that he couldn't beat out Ronnie Brown. But Tuberville wanted to use them both equally because both had different strengths.

Look, I know it's hard to fathom, but some programs like to rotate backs. The problem generally comes in when coaches don't have the stomach - or some other part of the anatomy - to use the rotation system because alumni, school officials, even the complaining backs want to be the No. 1 guy.

I personally could care less who surfaces as the better back whether it's JJ or MB3. But one thing about Parcells is he's going to rotate backs because he believes it's best for the team. With Parcells, you have to check individual stats at the door, but that doesn't mean you won't get them. You just have to understand team comes first, and that may mean that you're part of a rotation system.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You do know that the same was said about Cadillac Williams, that he couldn't beat out Ronnie Brown. But Tuberville wanted to use them both equally because both had different strengths.

Look, I know it's hard to fathom, but some programs like to rotate backs. The problem generally comes in when coaches don't have the stomach - or some other part of the anatomy - to use the rotation system because alumni, school officials, even the complaining backs want to be the No. 1 guy.

I personally could care less who surfaces as the better back whether it's JJ or MB3. But one thing about Parcells is he's going to rotate backs because he believes it's best for the team. With Parcells, you have to check individual stats at the door, but that doesn't mean you won't get them. You just have to understand team comes first, and that may mean that you're part of a rotation system.

Reggie Bush and LenDale White.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just went and looked up what I already KNEW in the 1st place. Barber had a MUCH better college career than JJ did.

and? he hasn't shown near the talent of Julius in the pros

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Whoever is best is who I wanna see on Sundays. If that happens to be JJ I wont be dissapointed at all. But I still think in the end its Barber....

seems like you are disappointed, because JJ is the best, and he'll be seen on Sundays...starting

 

[Bob Sacamano]

...It wasnt that Jones was a terrible blocker or bad at picking up the blitz, "although he wasnt that good either" it was that Barber was VERY good at it.

who cares who blocks better if both backs can block?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Julius Jones can go out and produce over a 16 game schedule than im all for him. If he cant than I wont be, simple as that. One or 2 huge games a year, a couple average ones, and a couple below average ones doesnt make a running back, not by a long shot. TRULY great rb's are consistant, they produce over a 16 GAME SCHEDULE........In other words, I'll take the guy who consistanty gets 95 yards a gme and occationally goes off for BIG YARDS over the guy who occationally goes off for big yards but spends the rest of the season either being average or hurt. Being consistant....THATS the key to winning big .

that doesn't describe Barber either, so I guess you're implying that we need to go look for another back?

btw, his rookie year, JJ averaged 101.4 yards a game

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and that means what exactly?

college stats dont mean jack when projecting how a player will do in the NFL...there are too many variables that go into it...

if looking at "stats" were all that mattered in projecting players, we'd never see busts would we?

David

hell, Ron Dayne should be well on his way to the HOF, he did great in college too

 

[ATurkishSeaOtter]

I've seen JJ make some very impressive blocks so I'm not buying into the barber is a much better blocker from the few games he started or played in. JJ has the big play threat and I can't really see barber taking a game over like JJ did with the panthers game last year and running for about 200 yards. Don't get me wrong I like barber and watched him a lot in college since I'm from Wisconsin I get a lot of Big 10 games up here. I think JJ and MB make a good tandem and I don't mind them sharing carries as long as each preform equally.

 

[Zippy Speedster]

Lets cut through the crap, both of our RB's are below par to what we as Cowboy fans have come to expect from the position...FAR BELOW PAR! You can sugar-coat each one until there's no tomorrow but fact of the matter remains, if Barber can't beat out Jones and viceversa, then there is a SERIOUS problem because, neither, anywhere, looks shockenly good on paper or in any other area. We have two guys who might not even suit up on this team as 3rd string, 10 years ago. We have two guys who can't even clear-cut decide for us who the starter will be on THIS 2006 Team! We have crap and everyone of us knows it. Need 1 yard for a first down or to punch into the endzone, though, and I'm handsdown picking Barber. And that is about the only redeeming quality either of these two backs has worth holding onto IMO. Now stop acting like your guy is the next "emmitt". He is most certainly NOT......not even remotely close to being remotely close to being close.

 

[Silver Bullet]

Lets cut through the crap, both of our RB's are below par to what we as Cowboy fans have come to expect from the position...FAR BELOW PAR! You can sugar-coat each one until there's no tomorrow but fact of the matter remains, if Barber can't beat out Jones and viceversa, then there is a SERIOUS problem because, neither, anywhere, looks shockenly good on paper or in any other area. We have two guys who might not even suit up on this team as 3rd string, 10 years ago. We have two guys who can't even clear-cut decide for us who the starter will be on THIS 2006 Team! We have crap and everyone of us knows it. Need 1 yard for a first down or to punch into the endzone, though, and I'm handsdown picking Barber. And that is about the only redeeming quality either of these two backs has worth holding onto IMO. Now stop acting like your guy is the next "emmitt". He is most certainly NOT......not even remotely close to being remotely close to being close.

The only reason most Cowboys fans are undecided or unsure (that's a better term for it) is because of JJ's health. That is it!

If JJ is healthy he is the CLEAR CUT starter through out the season, and Barber is no more than a 3rd down or change of pace back.

As to the "Cut through the crap" bit, I'm certain you didn't echo the same sentiment the second half of last year when Julius lit up the boards after coming back from injury.

I'm not saying that Julius is the next anybody, but atleast he has shown signs of being a very very good and productive back when healthy.

He is the better RB of the two, and the job is his to lose.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Just went and looked up what I already KNEW in the 1st place. Barber had a MUCH better college career than JJ did. Go look at the touchdowns, yards per carry, total yards. He did all this while sharing some time with Lawrence Maroney. Furthermore, its not zactly like the big 10 is some patsy conference either. Pretty tuff up there. Lets see, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan state, Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa, Penn state, Not alot of patsies on the ole schedule wouldnt ya say??????

You should google a guy named Troy Davis...

I love Barber, but do you remember the 40-something yard TD run Julius had against Carolina? Barber simply can't do that. He's just not fast enough. And this offense needs all the big-play people it can get.

 

[trickblue]

I was joking when I said Jujo sukks. Thought everyone would catch that as I put an LOL at the end. I only said that in response to to someone saying Barber had to split time in college. Thats one way of looking at it, the other way is...WOW, Barber split time and his numbers are still alot better than Jujo's....

Minus 10 points for using the term "JuJo"...

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When will the anti-semitism end?​

 

[Chief]

Minus 10 points for using the term "JuJo"...

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When will the anti-semitism end?​

:laugh2:

 

[ravidubey]

The MB3 manlove is crazy. He is a career back up.

This is just wrong. MB3 repeatedly proved he could be our starter. JJ is just so much more explosive that it outweighs MB3's superiority in short yardage, pass blocking, and pass receiving. That both can do all three is a major plus from a deception standpoint. Not only could a two-TE, two back, 1 WR set be a power-running formation, we could also run five receivers from it-- to either side.