Why has BP failed to Win?

[Doomsday101]

now - have i said it's wrong to do it every time? no. so i'm not sure where you're going. i've said he does it to an unhealthy degree.

to use johnson as an example, he did bring in walsh, didn't he? comfort zone and all. BUT did he sit down aikman and never let him play just so he could play "his" boy?

i'm not saying nor have i ever said to NOT use this knowledge. i just think he relies on it too much vs. going out and getting "new" knowledge.

it's out there, he just doesn't look cause it's all new to him. or so it seems to me.

And Bill does not do that all the time either, he has gone with player he has known but he has also selected both FA and rookies that he has no past with what so ever. Please tell which players did he sit for a player he knew that was not better than the guy who ended up sitting?

 

[iceberg]

And Bill does not do that all the time either, he has gone with player he has known but he has also selected both FA and rookies that he has no past with what so ever. Please tell which players did he sit for a player he knew that was not better than the guy who ended up sitting?

can't do that - this is just my gut feeling, not a player by player comparison. if that alone makes me wrong to you (and i know it does to many) there's nothing i can do about that anymore than i can suddenly go "wow, parcells DOESN'T do this...

 

[DLCassidy]

his obsession with his own past. carpenter - link to the past. just gets old.

If past history is any guide, Carpenter is a lock to succeed. BP has never drafted a bust in the first round. The fact that he had his dad as a player and knew him to be a hard worker that was quick to help his teammates and knows how committed the family is to football is somehow a bad thing? Keep 'em coming Ice.:laugh1:

 

[Doomsday101]

can't do that - this is just my gut feeling, not a player by player comparison. if that alone makes me wrong to you (and i know it does to many) there's nothing i can do about that anymore than i can suddenly go "wow, parcells DOESN'T do this...

Just trying to understand. Your accusing Bill of what most of the coaches themselfs do.

 

[iceberg]

Just trying to understand. Your accusing Bill of what most of the coaches themselfs do.

and you're making it sound like i don't acknowledge that coaches can, will, and should do this.

"unhealthy degree" (and "in my opinion") tend to get ignored here so we can drop back to a black or white process i never got into or started.

 

[Doomsday101]

and you're making it sound like i don't acknowledge that coaches can, will, and should do this.

"unhealthy degree" (and "in my opinion") tend to get ignored here so we can drop back to a black or white process i never got into or started.

Well what in your opinion has been done to an "unhealthy degree" ?

 

[DLCassidy]

Guys:

Don't have exact figures, but BP record for 3 years is approx 50-50. Why has it taken him so long to turn this team around?
JR

It really took him no time to turn it around. 10-6 with Quincy Carter as your QB may have been his best coaching job of his career. Can anyone seriously fault him for not taking THAT team further?

2004 was a bad year. But it would have been bad if Knute Alonzo Stagg Lombardi Walsh was the HC. You have no QB and a poor defense, you lose. Obviously not revamping the D and counting on Carter to lead your team (72 year old Vinny was brought in as the backup) were both mistakes but JJ was in the middle of both of those decisions.

2005? They were missing a few key parts but what Cowboy fan could not be proud of last years team's competitiveness? Bill wasted 2 years with JJ's guys but he's close to having HIS team now. The improvement in the roster in three years is nothing short of impressive. Thanks Bill!

 

[Alexander]

Well what in your opinion has been done to an "unhealthy degree" ?

Anything Coach Parcells has done.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Eddie and iceberg, alot of complaining, no answers

 

[Doomsday101]

Anything Coach Parcells has done.

I don't think he is saying that, I understand he does not agree with every move that Bill has made and the reality is not every move has been a good one and I can't say I agree with every single move however at the end of the day I think we are better off because of Parcells and I think he will get the team competitive once again.

 

[burmafrd]

Pretty much everyone agrees on hindsight that it would have been better if the 2003 team had tanked. We would have been able to draft higher and start the big changes sooner. I agree that 2003 might have been the best coaching job BP ever did. the monday night game against the Giants was a classic of having a team prepared for unusual scenarios and to take advantage of oppurtunities.

 

[burmafrd]

Iceberg and Eddie are professional pessimists who don't like BP. Take anything they say with a large grain of salt.

 

[Alexander]

Eddie and iceberg, alot of complaining, no answers

That's the issue. If you want to complain, provide a plausible scenario. Even your own personal observations on who or what would be a solution.

Chances are they don't have any solutions, but are excellent about griping about the scenarios they cannot provide them to. It's much easier to say "I won't because you'll shoot them down anyways so why bother" and continue to play the victim.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think he is saying that, I understand he does not agree with every move that Bill has made and the reality is not every move has been a good one and I can't say I agree with every single move however at the end of the day I think we are better off because of Parcells and I think he will get the team competitive once again.

the only problem we have with ice is that he's only looking at the negative, the oline, that's all he talks about, even though everyone and their grandmother knows it's a question, same with Eddie

 

[burmafrd]

professional complainers with no answers of their own should be ignored.

 

[iceberg]

Eddie and iceberg, alot of complaining, no answers

so your "answers" are so far are no better than my own. i've said what i'd do, you don't like it, but it's still "My answer" i've provided.

your not liking it doesn't make it wrong any more than my not liking what bp does makes HIM wrong.

how old are you anyway? still got a 1 leading off your age???

 

[Doomsday101]

the only problem we have with ice is that he's only looking at the negative, the oline, that's all he talks about, even though everyone and their grandmother knows it's a question, same with Eddie

I understand that. I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning what you perceive to be a negative but when that is all you see then that can grate on people after a while. Truth is every team out there has their own question marks and strengths Dallas is no different.

 

[iceberg]

the only problem we have with ice is that he's only looking at the negative, the oline, that's all he talks about, even though everyone and their grandmother knows it's a question, same with Eddie

why would i spend my time in a hug fest where i agree things are fine?

gee - i love our secondary!
me too - aren't they swell?
yes - we're gonna rule!!!
yes, we are!!!! we're da chit!!!

would that be better for you?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

would that be better for you?

talking about anything else and suggesting answers to problems would be better for me

 

[iceberg]

I understand that. I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning what you perceive to be a negative but when that is all you see then that can grate on people after a while. Truth is every team out there has their own question marks and strengths Dallas is no different.

well, doom - when you're told time and again you're FLAT OUT WRONG you do tend to focus on why you feel that way to at least be understood, if not agreed with.