Why I prefer Matt Jones over Bolden

[joseephuss]

Read the whole thing, you wouldn't get the production to justify the cost.

Until Owens retires, either he or Williams would be an expensive insurance policy, not the #1 guy.

Boldin might be 'worth it' at current salary, but that's the reason he'd be available, because he's looking for a big raise.

I read the whole thing.

Boldin's individual production or the team's production? I think the team would see enough production to justify Boldin's presence. He would not need to catch 90 passes for me to be pleased. I think with him around it would improve the production and efficiency of the entire offense. That is more likely to result in wins, playoff victories and a chance at a championship.

Matt Jones brings none of that to the table. We can hope he does, but that is a great leap of faith. We know Boldin can play and play at a high level.

 

[Stash]

I read the whole thing.

Boldin's individual production or the team's production? I think the team would see enough production to justify Boldin's presence. He would not need to catch 90 passes for me to be pleased. I think with him around it would improve the production and efficiency of the entire offense. That is more likely to result in wins, playoff victories and a chance at a championship.

Agreed. But there's a huge cost involved in getting it done.

Matt Jones brings none of that to the table. We can hope he does, but that is a great leap of faith. We know Boldin can play and play at a high level.

We also know what it would cost to acquire him, even if the Cards were willing to trade him, which they have repeatedly said they are not.

Personally, I would keep the two situations separate, because I think acquiring Jones would have little to no impact on the team's pursuit of Boldin or Williams.

Obviously, even if they were to trade for Jones, they would still be interested in either Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin.

There's getting a decent option, and there's getting a premier player.

 

[juck]

Very good post and u are dead on,all we need is someone with ability and speed to stretch the field and to compete with austin and hurd.we can get him cheap too.

 

[joseephuss]

Agreed. But there's a huge cost involved in getting it done.



We also know what it would cost to acquire him, even if the Cards were willing to trade him, which they have repeatedly said they are not.

Personally, I would keep the two situations separate, because I think acquiring Jones would have little to no impact on the team's pursuit of Boldin or Williams.

Obviously, even if they were to trade for Jones, they would still be interested in either Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin.

There's getting a decent option, and there's getting a premier player.

We disagree that Jones is a decent option. He is, but not for a draft pick.

We could keep the two separate. The same can be said about the Terry Glenn situation. What Dallas does with him does not hinder them from seeking out other options at this time.

There is some intertwining. If you trade a draft pick(a 6th or 7th) for Matt Jones, then that is one less draft pick you can dangle to the Cardinals or Lions in a trade to go along with the high draft picks that will be required to get a deal done.

 

[BAZ]

I had this dream last night I logged on to Cowboys zone and people were arguing Matt Jones was a better pick up the Bolden. At first I thought I was shrooming.

 

[BAZ]

Wait a minute..........

 

[Stash]

We disagree that Jones is a decent option. He is, but not for a draft pick.

We could keep the two separate. The same can be said about the Terry Glenn situation. What Dallas does with him does not hinder them from seeking out other options at this time.

There is some intertwining. If you trade a draft pick(a 6th or 7th) for Matt Jones, then that is one less draft pick you can dangle to the Cardinals or Lions in a trade to go along with the high draft picks that will be required to get a deal done.

Do you honestly think a 6th round pick would make or break a deal like that?

 

[Hostile]

:insane:

Maybe it's the Nyquil.

Nyquil has no evil side affects. Just a great night's sleep.

 

[joseephuss]

Do you honestly think a 6th round pick would make or break a deal like that?

Not make or break a deal. Just provide more options. And not just for a premier receiver. If Dallas has a significant injury to another position during training camp or pre-season, then having a late round pick can be traded to try and pick up someone to fill that void. That is why I don't want to see them waste a pick on a Jones who is most likely going to be released and can be had for nothing if they just sit and wait.

 

[joseephuss]

Nyquil has no evil side affects. Just a great night's sleep.

I have my most messed up dreams when I am on Nyquil. Plus even after waking up, my head still feels as if it is floating 1" higher off my shoulders.

 

[Stash]

Not make or break a deal. Just provide more options. And not just for a premier receiver. If Dallas has a significant injury to another position during training camp or pre-season, then having a late round pick can be traded to try and pick up someone to fill that void. That is why I don't want to see them waste a pick on a Jones who is most likely going to be released and can be had for nothing if they just sit and wait.

Jones wouldn't get to the Cowboys if released. He would get claimed by a team higher on the list.

And I think the team could somehow 'manage' without that 6th round pick. If they're a desperate as you say, they'd have to give up more than a 6th rounder.

If you're against Jones, fine. I can respect that.

But don't make up imaginary reasons.

 

[dcfanatic]

You're right, I think you've been sniffing glue.

:wink2:

I swear I only came into this thread because I thought it was going to be someone trying to 'punk' another poster who is in love with trying to get Matt Jones.

But it wasn't.

 

[Disturbed]

So go get them both if we have the money and it does not mortgage our future...both would probably be better than players on the roster.

Glenn leaving will free up one position.

 

[joseephuss]

Jones wouldn't get to the Cowboys if released. He would get claimed by a team higher on the list.

And I think the team could somehow 'manage' without that 6th round pick. If they're a desperate as you say, they'd have to give up more than a 6th rounder.

If you're against Jones, fine. I can respect that.

But don't make up imaginary reasons.

That is assuming a team claims him off waivers. It is likely he will clear waivers and become a free agent after he is released.

I didn't mean to imply that they would only have to trade a 6th rounder if they got desperate to fill a void on the team. The 6th rounder would just be part of a package.

Imaginary reasons? Isn't everything at this point imaginary or speculation?

I will tell you again. I am not against Jones. I am against trading a pick to acquire him.

 

[Angus]

Boy, I would hope so. Williams or Boldin would solidify our WR corp for a few years whereas Jones, while I am for bringing him in, is not going to be a go to guy if TO's production were to slip in 2-3 years.

In short, if you could get Williams or Boldin, you should try to.
Jones is just a compliment.

Don't need any of them. Austin will get the job done, IMO.

 

[zeromaster]

Nyquil has no evil side affects. Just a great night's sleep.

It works, but I don't want to get out of bed either. These days, I can't afford that luxury.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Sorry, I cannot think of one valid reason for Jones over Boldin

 

[Stash]

That is assuming a team claims him off waivers. It is likely he will clear waivers and become a free agent after he is released.

I would seriously contest that claim. Take a look around the league and look at the number of receiver-starved teams. Any number of them would claim him.

I didn't mean to imply that they would only have to trade a 6th rounder if they got desperate to fill a void on the team. The 6th rounder would just be part of a package.

Imaginary reasons? Isn't everything at this point imaginary or speculation?

I just think it's a weak point to somehow consider a 6th round pick a dealmaker or a dealbreaker.

I will tell you again. I am not against Jones. I am against trading a pick to acquire him.

I would rather people say they're for or against.

If the team likes the player, use your resources to get him.

If they don't, don't.

But to have a take-it-or-leave-it approach doesn't make much sense to me.

At that point, why bother at all?

 

[mmillman]

It's slow this time of year and everyone is speculating on how to add that final piece to win another Superbowl. My input is that we get Matt Jones and leave the Boldin's and R.Williams'es out of it. The latter won't help while Jones could really make the difference.

Now, before you think that I have been sniffing glue, think about what we have right now. Witten will get 90-100 receptions. TO will get 80-90. F. Jones and MBIII will get another 50 between them. Crayton might get 30-40. And a smattering of however will get another 20-30. If we throw in a Boldin or Williams, when are they going to get the ball? Who do you take catches from? TO? Witten? The RB's?

We need a guy who is a legitimate threat, not that they will get the ball, but to spread the defense and make them play honest. Crayton and Hurd are not fast enough. Austin is, but most folks know he doesn't run great routes and if he leaves his hands out overnight they will rust. Stanback is a possibility, but we aren't hearing anyone singing his praises, so I think that experiment is still in progress.

Matt Jones, or a Matt Jones like substance, would force free safeties to play honest. If they cheat over to TO's side, then they risk a big, fast guy taking it up the other sideline one on one with a corner. Even if you only throw the ball to him a couple times a game, he will impact the way defenses play.

Do you think Boldin or Williams would be happy in that role? Would you be willing to take the ball out of Witt's or TO's hands? We need a guy that is willing to take his one or two catches a game and not complain. Someone with a lot of speed and a small ego.

Signing TO to the extension said a lot about what the plans are for the next couple years at WR. I don't expect to see any big names in here until TO's game starts to slip. I wouldn't take a big name WR right now if he fell into our lap. Not enough balls to go around.

Now that I have spoken on the issue, it is a closed matter and we can move on and not discuss adding, Williams, Boldin, or even Johnson.

You are sniffing glue. Dallas needs a long term legitimate #1 WR. You can't look at the current lineup and feel comfortable next year, or two years from now. Possibly even this year because Owens and Glenn have an injury history and their ages suggest that isn't going to improve or go away.

 

[DFWJC]

No problem adding Boldin or some other stud WR1/2.
Here is out the receptions could go:

TO = 85
Boldin =75
Witten/oth TEs = 95
RBs = 60
Crayton = 20
other = 10

That's 345 catches...last year we had 342 while relying a bit too much on two guys.