Why I stopped caring about Player Contracts

[Jarntt]

People think the reason they don’t spend money is because of a 13 million dollar cap hit from Zeke……

Well that's absolutely part of it. If you had an additional $13M per year you'd find something to spend it on

 

[CouchCoach]

Not me, I choose to spend time crunching the numbers on caps instead of actually watching them play.

Not only do I not give a damn about contracts or caps, I wish they'd never allowed all of this to be made public, what good does it do except have fans place their own value on players based on what they make.

At one time, I was told it was nobody's business what somebody else makes but this sick country is all about the greenbacks, they are truly obsessed with it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well that's absolutely part of it. If you had an additional $13M per year you'd find something to spend it on

Well that's what I asked earlier....what did they spend the 20 million on last year? Because I Just recall Anthony Barr and he cost a fraction of that.

Anytime the Cowboys have had money all they've done is given it to guys like Jaylon Smith and La'El Collins...or maybe give it to free agents like Nolan Carroll and Cedric Thorton...

 

[Whirlwin]

Stop caring, personally never
Cared in the first place. The salary cap is constantly manipulated.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not me, I choose to spend time crunching the numbers on caps instead of actually watching them play.

Not only do I not give a damn about contracts or caps, I wish they'd never allowed all of this to be made public, what good does it do except have fans place their own value on players based on what they make.

At one time, I was told it was nobody's business what somebody else makes but this sick country is all about the greenbacks, they are truly obsessed with it.

I agree with this. I felt the same. I wonder how sports discussions would go if you didn't have the crutch of talking about how much a guy makes. Just judging the guy strictly on his play on the field.

 

[Jarntt]

Well that's what I asked earlier....what did they spend the 20 million on last year? Because I Just recall Anthony Barr and he cost a fraction of that.

Anytime the Cowboys have had money all they've done is given it to guys like Jaylon Smith and La'El Collins...or maybe give it to free agents like Nolan Carroll and Cedric Thorton...

So far this year they spent it on Cooks and Gilmore and the offseason isn't over yet

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Stop caring, personally never
Cared in the first place. The salary cap is constantly manipulated.

I mean I Don't know how anyone saw the Eagles sign Wentz to a max deal and watched him suck and get from under it just to find themselves in the SB not long after. IF that wasn't enough proof this cap doesn't matter than I don't know what to tell people. Just keep eating up what Cap Boy sells you.

 

[CouchCoach]

I mean I Don't know how anyone saw the Eagles sign Wentz to a max deal and watched him suck and get from under it just to find themselves in the SB not long after. IF that wasn't enough proof this cap doesn't matter than I don't know what to tell people. Just keep eating up what Cap Boy sells you.

The Rams did the same thing after giving Goff a new deal.

All depends on not only how bad you want something but about how badly you need something. GM's with jobs on the line are a little more needy.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So far this year they spent it on Cooks and Gilmore and the offseason isn't over yet

To my knowledge and I Could be wrong here but they haven't even gotten Zeke's savings yet. He was a post June 1st cut.

So they were able to trade for Cooks and Gillmore WITH or WITHOUT Zeke being cut. They could've been making these types of moves but the problem is they didn't value this type of team building until I guess they saw the Eagles make it to a SB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Cowboys have proven that they can keep who they want to keep by restructuring deals, and extending contracts. Then, if a player stops playing to his contract, they have enough flexibility to cut him (see Zeke Elliott) and absorb the CAP hit. I used to keep a huge spread sheet tracking each player salary, and CAP hits by year. But the money has gotten crazy with the new TV contracts, so it doesn't really matter anymore. Is Jalen Hurts worth 2-1/2 times Peyton Manning when he joined Denver in 2013? Just 10 years ago? Of course not. But it doesn't matter.

The Cowboys pay a staff of accountants to strategize on CAP management. So, since the money is ridiculous, and since the Cowboys can keep whomever they want to keep, why do fans need to care at all? Of course Dak isn't worth $40M/ year. But Diggs isn't worth $20M/year either. It's not my money. And the salaries are ridiculous. I've stopped caring. It's all click bait to me, and I'm not going to bite.

You should care about contracts. Great example is Zeke's. When they pay these guy, they want to feature them. Which keeps more talented and cheaper players like Pollard on the bench. Its not just about money.

Only a casual fan would not care about contracts and who gets paid what.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What are you talking about. That's 5 starters leaving one team! Starters aren't JAGs. Sticking with just the Eagles two of their best players in this years playoff run were signed as free agents. Hargrave and Reddick were absolutely huge for them. You don't think either of them would have helped Dallas and you think they were past their prime when they both basically played at an All Pro level? And Bradberry was also a great player for them last year. Bradberry was 28 when they signed him. Hargrave was 27 when they signed him Reddick was 27 when they signed him.

No one is saying do more than fill gaps with free agents or t build an entire roster that way. I'm not sure what you are reading.

No team has a roster full of all pros and pro bowlers.

There are role players, jags, etc.

What makes their jags better than our jags? You replace one with the other.

And you don't go spending FA money to fill up backup positions. So how are these guys better than ours? How much more will they cost? How much more will they give you? And who do u lose because you spend a lot of money thru FA

It's been proven 100 times over. You fill gaps in the roster. Maybe sign a rental for a last push. But you don't build a team through FA. Doesn't work.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Rams did the same thing after giving Goff a new deal.

All depends on not only how bad you want something but about how badly you need something. GM's with jobs on the line are a little more needy.

Yep. And remember they signed Todd Gurley and that was suppose to just kill their cap? A afterthought.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You should care about contracts. Great example is Zeke's. When they pay these guy, they want to feature them. Which keeps more talented and cheaper players like Pollard on the bench. Its not just about money.

Only a casual fan would not care about contracts and who gets paid what.

Zeke's salary did not keep Pollard on the bench lol. And you will see that when you see them draft a RB this year and Pollard will get the same amount of carries lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Every single year there are a bunch of players that leave as free agents and are expected to start for other teams. The Eagles alone lost five in part because they couldn't afford to re-sign them: Hargraves, CJGJ, Seumalo, Sanders and Dillard. League wide there are many players I would call potential impact players for us that leave their previous team via free agency or trade that could make us much better. I'm not stating we should be singing any or all of them, but the idea that only older, ineffective and past their prime players make it to free agency is off base IMO. This year I think had a little less than usual. It doesn't have to be an Aaron Donald to make your team better and be a difference maker

That's called roster building what the Eagles are doing. They could've brought CJGJ back. Could've brought Sanders back. But they phased Sanders out of the offense on their way to the SB and they have two first round picks to draft his replacement. They drafted Jordan Davis. Have Milton Williams. Fletcher Cox is still there.

The moves the Eagles made they have replacements in place. When you have replacements in place you don't overpay for those guys. Cowboys trading Amari because they thought they could afford to with Gallup and Lamb.

 

[INCowboysFan]

Contracts should be scaled by the union like rookie deals are. A player who has 5 years service and has met certain markers (playing time, yards, tackles, etc.) should have a standard pay across the league, for example. Maybe the player can make a little more by signing with his current team but a Deshaun Watson type deal should not have been allowed by the union.

Why would the NFLPA want to restrict the amount of $$$ their members can make?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zeke's salary did not keep Pollard on the bench lol. And you will see that when you see them draft a RB this year and Pollard will get the same amount of carries lol.

Its common knowledge and I wont debate it. The FO forced Zeke on the coaching staff because of his salary while a better back sat on the bench for the better part of 3 years. If your confused, go look up the carries of Pollard over his 4 year career in Dallas. Last year was the ONLY year it was close to 50/50 when it should have been 60/40 or 70/30 Pollard.

That debate is over.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Contracts should be scaled by the union like rookie deals are. A player who has 5 years service and has met certain markers (playing time, yards, tackles, etc.) should have a standard pay across the league, for example. Maybe the player can make a little more by signing with his current team but a Deshaun Watson type deal should not have been allowed by the union.

What do you think the unions job is? I'm just curious....because why would they not allow the Watson deal? They deal they shouldn't have allowed was the Mahomes deal if we're being honest about what's in the best interest of the union and its players.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Its common knowledge and I wont debate it. The FO forced Zeke on the coaching staff because of his salary while a better back sat on the bench for the better part of 3 years. If your confused, go look up the carries of Pollard over his 4 year career in Dallas. Last year was the ONLY year it was close to 50/50 when it should have been 60/40 or 70/30 Pollard.

That debate is over.

How many carries should Pollard have gotten? How many carries would you have given him?

 

[J_Allen]

I'm sure we wanted to keep Cedric Wilson last year but couldn't because of Dak's contract. We all saw the result.

 

[CowboyRoy]

How many carries should Pollard have gotten? How many carries would you have given him?

Just told you. 60-40 or 70-30. Zeke would have been cut long ago and not resigned.

Probably would have started out 50/50 his rookie year. Would have let Zeke hold out in Cabo Pollard rookie year and featured him while Zeke held out. Would have drafted another young back to team with Pollard.