Why is the NFL committing suicide?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nice petulant strawman, since I never mentioned unions.

I never said that it applied to anyone in particular but if you look at the mediascape you will see a lot of criticism of teachers and infratructure unions and a whole lot of praise for police unions.

If you are not like that then great but the reality is what it is. The Reason article I quoted talks about it too. I use Reason because conservatives cannot use the MSM FAKE NEWS copout. It is an excellent article that outlines the crux of the problem.

 

[Kaiser]

Kaepernick is like the college Freshman that takes their first abnormal psych or poli-sci class and thinks they are an expert at everything because their professor told them something new

Exactly, another reason its so pathetic to see some of the defense of Kapernick as if he was actually making those points.

There are major issues in police use of force but the discussion goes out the window when its framed as "Idiot QB says all of America is racist". There are bigger issues with police training and hiring like the Tamir Rice case but Kapernick couldn't address those issues even if asked him to read it off a teleprompter.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nice petulant strawman, my post never mentioned broken windows. Don't you want to get back to your strawman about standing for the Anthem while watching at home?

You don't know what a strawman is. I thought you were going away. If I didn't know better I would think that you were cherry picking arguments you think you can win and ignoring the ones you don't.

A strawman is saying that I was claiming that I wanted to send patrols to Beverly Hills. I was having to parse that and brought up Broken Windows because it was relevant as was your ignorance as to what it entails.

You don't stand at home when they anthem comes on. That is not a strawman but simple truth.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Exactly, another reason its so pathetic to see some of the defense of Kapernick as if he was actually making those points.

There are major issues in police use of force but the discussion goes out the window when its framed as "Idiot QB says all of America is racist". There are bigger issues with police training and hiring like the Tamir Rice case but Kapernick couldn't address those issues even if asked him to read it off a teleprompter.

You guys are not even discussing what he has been saying. You guys like attacking the messenger which is funny considering half the NFL is doing it now. The lengths you guys will go to avoid listening to an opposing view is interesting. The cognitive dissonance has to be a *****.

Oh and:

“You have people that practice law and our lawyers and go to school for eight years, but you can become a cop in six months and don’t have to have the same amount of training as a cosmetologist. That’s insane. Someone that’s holding a curling iron has more education and more training than people that have a gun and are going out on the street to protect us.”

"For me, it was something that I couldn't see another 'hashtag Sandra Bland, hashtag Tamir Rice, hashtag Walter Scott, hashtag Eric Garner,' the list goes on and on and on," Kaepernick said. "At what point do we do something about it? At what point do we take a stand and as a people say this isn't right? You have a badge, yes. You're supposed to be protecting us, not murdering us, and that's what the issue really is and we need to change that."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-right-about-police-vs-cosmetology-training/

He's talked about Rice and training too.

 

[Kaiser]

He's talked about Rice and training too.

Where is the discussion? Mentioning Rice's name isn't a discussion. That's like saying my 7 year old mentioned Thomas Jefferson so it makes him a Constitutional Scholar.

 

[Kaiser]

The lengths you guys will go to avoid listening to an opposing view is interesting. T

Pretty rich coming from the poster famous for arguing forever with only strawmen posts.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where is the discussion? Mentioning Rice's name isn't a discussion. That's like saying my 7 year old mentioned Thomas Jefferson so it makes him a Constitutional Scholar.

Who said that Kaep was an expert? That doesn't make him wrong.

I have pointed out where he has discussed the systemic issue related to police violence. He talked about paid leave. It relates to Rice and the rest. I showed you from where that came in LEBOR laws. You want no part of that.

I suggest you read MLK's Letters from the Birmingham Jail.

 

[shabazz]

Suicide is exactly correct. I think many, including the media, underestimate how damaging this exercise in futility will become. I personally know many Fans who are selling tickets, canceling hotels and simply not plan on watching any more NFL games. The very sport that pays these player/activists millions will never recover from this. Well, at least Domestic Violence, committed by these peaceful activists, won't be the demise of this once great League

 

[65fastback2plus2]

That's not accurate. There are all sorts of laws, regulations, permits and requirements - not to mention taxes - for selling property.

Now if we are being realistic, then nobody is going to care if I bump into you in lot 13 next week and sell you a pack of cigs for $5. But if I buy 500 cartons here in TX then drive on up to NY (or even, say, drive to El Paso to keep it in state) to sell them, then yes I stand to get into trouble for that.

What you're backing is government violation of your rights.

I am not talking about their illegal laws.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Suicide is exactly correct. I think many, including the media, underestimate how damaging this exercise in futility will become. I personally know many Fans who are selling tickets, canceling hotels and simply not plan on watching any more NFL games. The very sport that pays these player/activists millions will never recover from this. Well, at least Domestic Violence, committed by these peaceful activists, won't be the demise of this once great League

This is from 4 hours ago:

In reality, the ratings decline has been mild, not massive, and the ratings of some big games--like the Sept. 10 matchup between the Giants and the Cowboys and Thursday's Rams-49ers tilt--have been up year-over-year as much as 38%. Before Sunday’s games, ratings for Sunday Night Football were down 7% this year, while those for Sunday afternoon games were down 11% on Fox and 19% on CBS, year over year. ESPN’s Monday Night Football has seen a ratings drop of 5%.

This likely reflects the effects of cord-cutting as people turn to the internet to watch the games. The rise of streaming has been so impactful that ESPN will now only report a viewing number combining streaming and linear audiences, it announced Friday. The various hurricanes that hit America over the past month also caused viewing disruptions.

And, even with the ratings decline, football games remain the most-watched primetime programing on television--and the some of the most lucrative, too. As viewership drops across television, advertisers are shelling out more and more for spots during live sporting events. Last season, advertisers spent a record $4.2 billion for ads during football games, according to Kantar Media. For certain games, 30-second advertisements can sell for over $800,000 each.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddie...s-nfl-weekend-ratings-are-mixed/#509d891ece16

 

[shabazz]

This is from 4 hours ago:



https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddie...s-nfl-weekend-ratings-are-mixed/#509d891ece16

Let's see the numbers after a couple weeks. It will be devasting in my opinion. I hope it doesn't destroy this game but we will see. Way too early to see the results after yesterday's mass protests. The worst is yet to come

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Let's see the numbers after a couple weeks. It will be devasting in my opinion. I hope it doesn't destroy this game but we will see. Way too early to see the results after yesterday's mass protests. The worst is yet to come

What a thing to wish for.

 

[ghst187]

At some point someone is going to organize a boycott of games over this and then when there are some games with near empty stadiums, tickets prices will plunge, sponsors will leave, and then we will see who will grow some courage first, Goodell or the owners.
Gonna be awesome.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

The Dallas Cowboys and all of their Players can become the favorite team of so many people today by simply going out there, hand over heart, and giving a military salute.

It would show unity, would give millions of people who are fed up with the NfL hope, and would make our players look like heroes and show true patriotism.

Would seriously not care about the games if we are able to do that

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

At some point someone is going to organize a boycott of games over this and then when there are some games with near empty stadiums, tickets prices will plunge, sponsors will leave, and then we will see who will grow some courage first, Goodell or the owners.
Gonna be awesome.

This will be hard to explain for the people who complain about NFL protests and like to take credit for the drop in the league’s television ratings: With more protests and demonstrations in Week 3 than any other week in NFL history, ratings were up.

CBS, which had the doubleheader on Sunday, reported an increase with a huge spike for its pregame show.

Overall ratings will likely be up from last season once the Dallas Cowboys play the Arizona Cardinals on “Monday Night Football.” The Cowboys are regularly the biggest ratings draw the sport has. This is from John Ourand of Sports Business Journal and Michael Mulvihill, the senior vice president for programming and research at Fox Sports:



The ratings dip was always overblown. The NFL destroys every other sport in television ratings. Percentages might have been down for a couple weeks, but the NFL had set such a high bar that it was a prisoner of its own success when comparing ratings to previous years.

And for the notion that college football was taking over the NFL’s turf, well …



https://sports.yahoo.com/cbs-rating...gs-whole-expected-see-increase-154216596.html

I guess there is always hope but what this is really doing is drawing the attention of people who would not otherwise be engaged. Millennials in particular are big on egalitarian spirit and anti establishment. The NFL has been trying to curt them for years. Data shows that older men don't change their habits.

 

[ghst187]

The Dallas Cowboys and all of their Players can become the favorite team of so many people today by simply going out there, hand over heart, and giving a military salute.

It would show unity, would give millions of people who are fed up with the NfL hope, and would make our players look like heroes and show true patriotism.

Would seriously not care about the games if we are able to do that

Why wouldn't America's team?

And Fuzzy I'm not saying ratings are down or anything but like some others I'm starting to hear some people turn away just because of these. And I suspect, just have to think in our extreme polarized world right now that someone is going to counter protest. If they are successful,it will really get interesting.

 

[Ghost12]

What you're backing is government violation of your rights.

I am not talking about their illegal laws.

I don't think you will find any serious institute of human rights that state human beings have the fundamental right to sell anything they want any time they want to whomever they want without regulation, taxes, permitting process, etc.

 

[shabazz]

Let's see the numbers after a couple weeks. It will be devasting in my opinion. I hope it doesn't destroy this game but we will see. Way too early to see the results after yesterday's mass protests. The worst is yet to come

What a thing to wish for.

I guess you glossed over where I said, " I hope it doesn't destroy this game "????????

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I don't think you will find any serious institute of human rights that state human beings have the fundamental right to sell anything they want any time they want to whomever they want without regulation, taxes, permitting process, etc.

Its called a natural right. John Locke is the one who wrote mostly about it which is where our Constitution is derived heavily from. Our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are patterned after Locke's rights to life, liberty and property.

My right is to my person and my belongings. And to do with them as I wish.

So, you're wrong. There is a serious institute that stated this...the United States Constitution.

 

[shabazz]

At some point someone is going to organize a boycott of games over this and then when there are some games with near empty stadiums, tickets prices will plunge, sponsors will leave, and then we will see who will grow some courage first, Goodell or the owners.
Gonna be awesome.

From what I am seeing and hearing it will be an unofficial boycott as people will no longer renew season tickets all the way to refusing to buy nfl memorabilia. I'm seeing it already from lifelong Steelers fans. This may play out ok in San Fran, Seattle and Oakland but middle America will drop off of this league in mass.

There are 2 principles that can't be denied; 1) players will protest and 2) some fans will reject the product.