Why is Tiger Woods so classless?

[Bob Sacamano]

I just want to ask one thing? if BIll decided to kick that FG instead of going for the 1st on 4th and whatever, but still had his team play hard, would he still be classless?

even though IR's analogy was bad, he does have a point, teams shouldn't give themselves the option to turn it on and off like a faucet in games, because the Pats are going to get some tough games later in the season, this week in fact, so they'll need to be conditioned to finish games, but BB could have done w/o going for it on 4th and 1, he had the option to come away w/ points by kicking the FG, he didn't need the 7, but other than that, I didn't have a problem w/ what Bill did

calling off the dogs after just a half and half a quarter, for 6 games, they needed 3 quarters against us isn't good conditioning

 

[Hostile]

Jack Nicklaus was asked what would happen if he was in his prime and played against Tiger and he said "I would beat his brains out and I'm sure Tiger would say the same about me". I didn't hear him say anything about the course.

Are you maintaining that they don't play the course?

 

[jimmy40]

Are you maintaining that they don't play the course?

I'm maintaining you play to beat the other guy and Tiger and Jack want to dominate, not just win. Why do you think Jack never cared about seniors golf? They play courses too don't they? Why did Jack retire? Because he couldn't win anymore.

 

[Hostile]

I'm maintaining you play to beat the other guy and Tiger and Jack want to dominate, not just win. Why do you think Jack never cared about seniors golf? They play courses too don't they? Why did Jack retire? Because he couldn't win anymore.

Auntie Em, Auntie Em, it's a twister! Its a twister!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I got the Downey

 

[Nors]

I played a lot of competitive golf. We had a city tournament and club championship that were MATCH play format. That is where you are mano mano up against opponent and course. That format is a lot of player on player competition. And intimidation and gamesmanship is part of that. Watch Tiger control tempo, match play you make a birdie, have honors next tee. Rip ball out of hole and march to next tee fast paced and rip a 300 yarder down fairway, opponent is now in a defensive mentality and senses he has lost control.

Tiger does that all the time - even though its not match play. He is imposing HIS will on who he is playing that day. Another Tiger trick I liked to use. Knowing you can bomp it past your opponent, pull out a 1 iron when opponent is hitting driver. You drill it center of fairway 250 and opponents driver starts to get wild, what is this guy doing?

Ironically, Nicklaus won the US amateur which was then a Major. Match Play.

Tiger won 3 straight Jr Amateurs and the 3 straight US Amatuers. Again, Match Play.

I 100% Believe Tiger like Jack, was not only attacking course but going after their opponents. It was how they were trained in Match play. Only takes one 5 up with 5 to go collapse to realize a match is never over.

The tour plays a "72 score" format which does make course mgmt more important. But the greats have that killer instinct and are going after opponents. It's human nature and what made Jack and Tiger so great. They were trying to bury opponents.

And did.

 

[jimmy40]

Auntie Em, Auntie Em, it's a twister! Its a twister!

That's what I thought.

 

[03EBZ06]

Jack Nicklaus was asked what would happen if he was in his prime and played against Tiger and he said "I would beat his brains out and I'm sure Tiger would say the same about me". I didn't hear him say anything about the course.

And how do they beat eachother's brains out? They can't stop other player from doing whatever they doing, there is no defense, they can only play the course and hope that your score is lower that other players.

 

[Nors]

I'm maintaining you play to beat the other guy and Tiger and Jack want to dominate, not just win. Why do you think Jack never cared about seniors golf? They play courses too don't they? Why did Jack retire? Because he couldn't win anymore.

I agree - He won masters at what 47 and was in Contention Sunday at masters at age 57.

I tell you what, with same equipment. I'd love to see those two at their prime go at it. I think if they played 100 times the outcome would hover near 50 - 50

Both won because they could hit the ball so far and HIGH. You are hitting a 7 iron in and opponent a 4 iron they are in trouble. Both great clutch putters. Both dominated the competition.

 

[Hostile]

That's what I thought.

Me too. I knew you couldn't answer a simple yes or no without spin control.

 

[Nors]

And how do they beat eachother's brains out? They can't stop other player from doing whatever they doing, there is no defense, they can only play the course and hope that your score is lower that other players.

Most of the time by Sunday, the two leaders are paired together and it subtly becomes match play. Tiger has a crazy record when winning with lead after 3rd round. He attacks with a match play attack. That is attacking who you are playing in twosome.

The Tiger roars take care of the rest of field.

 

[03EBZ06]

I'm maintaining you play to beat the other guy and Tiger and Jack want to dominate, not just win. Why do you think Jack never cared about seniors golf? They play courses too don't they? Why did Jack retire? Because he couldn't win anymore.

Jack cared enough to win 10 Senior majors and many other events.

 

[03EBZ06]

Most of the time by Sunday, the two leaders are paired together and it subtly becomes match play. Tiger has a crazy record when winning with lead after 3rd round. He attacks with a match play attack. That is attacking who you are playing in twosome.

The Tiger roars take care of the rest of field.

I know all about the final pairing. Again, where is the defense in golf? Where is any physical contact between the last two in final pairing.

I also follow Tiger and he is 12-0 when leading after 54 holes in majors.

As for intimidation, it's in other players head, Tiger can't physically hurt them, they are intimidated because they believe they can't beat Tiger when he is in the lead.

 

[Hostile]

I know all about the final pairing. Again, where is the defense in golf? Where is any physical contact between the last two in final pairing.

I also follow Tiger and he is 12-0 when leading after 54 holes in majors.

As for intimidation, it's in other players head, Tiger can't physically hurt them, they are intimidated because they believe they can't beat Tiger when he is in the lead.

They'll never get it. We're wasting our time.

 

[Dallas]

They'll never get it. We're wasting our time.

You think?

What is amazing to me is people keep replying to this rediculous thread and trying to argue IR's point.

Yes - It bothers me seeing what I thought were sane people do this kind of stuff. Is it really that entertaining to keep riding the glue out of the horse?


JEEEBUS !! There I go again.

 

[D-TownRadio]

Plenty, but not on the professional level. I know people who at the collegiate level, and they say it's pretty much nothing like your average Sunday Morning on the links. Its not just you and the course. You have to keep an eye on the leaderboard and adapt your play to how others are playing. If you're behind, sometimes you're forced to play more aggressive than you normally would.

Have you played on the PGA?

No I haven't but I did place top ten in the UWGT and top 5 in the CEGT I have been top twenty in several Tournys the past 6 years and have also placed in team play. In golf you are playing against alot of things. You are playing against the course and the other players and previous records on the course and individual holes. You are right and wrong because it all depends on how far behind you are and how many holes are left. You don't start playing stupidly to get in first place when 2nd place also pays off and gains you a spot at another tour. Your freinds are either lieing to you or are the dumbest and worst golfers in history. Are you telling me if you have $250,000 in your hand and all you have to do is lay up chip green and then gimme a par three hole to walk away with that kinda money you would risk shanking a ball into the woods for a -2 and lossing out on any kinda pay day? Nope ya don't and even if you where right it wouldn't hold water in this convo because the pats where not comming from behind and going for it all they had a 40 point lead and went for it on forth down. The continued to rush to the line so you can't argue that they where trying to keep the ball to run the time out.

 

[bbgun]

Why did you have to make a golfing analogy? Now this thread is beset by the Johnny Scratch Golfers.

 

[03EBZ06]

They'll never get it. We're wasting our time.

Yeah, you are right, I give up.

My last word is, Belicheat couldn't carry Tiger's jock when it comes to integrity and following the rules.

 

[D-TownRadio]

And if Belichick made his players stop going all out every time they have a big lead ... which is pretty much halftime of every game they've played this year, barring the Cowboys matchup ... there wouldn't be any effects on the team?

Interesting.

The only difference is that someone drew an arbitrary line in the sand and said it's okay to try your best on every stroke in golf, but it's not okay in football. Some choose to follow outdated heuristics, and others question them. No biggie.

What are you talking about? Cowboys where not getting blown out at the half... This makes no sence. It was a tight game right to the end of the 4th and at that point they didn't have to run the ball into the endzone they could have taken a knee and ended the game. Okay I am guessing your argument will be well Wade was taking time outs. Uh yeah because for one he wasn't the one with the lead and two if he just stands there with timeouts what will JJ have to say? come on this is a guy who has fired 3 hall of fame coaches. Damn right he was calling timeouts but he wasn't comming with all out blitzes or anything.

 

[Nors]

I know all about the final pairing. Again, where is the defense in golf? Where is any physical contact between the last two in final pairing.

I also follow Tiger and he is 12-0 when leading after 54 holes in majors.

As for intimidation, it's in other players head, Tiger can't physically hurt them, they are intimidated because they believe they can't beat Tiger when he is in the lead.

You ever golf at a high level? You can mentally dominate and impose will on your opponent/field. Its a very mental game. Mentally tough players have an advantage.