Why not grab Baker Mayfield? Dak may not be the answer

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Yeah. I thought so.

This wasn't about Dak being good or not. So don't even try to deflect like most Dak haters.... This was about mayfield being better than dak....so if Dak is bad then mayfield is really bad... But if you are unable To provide any shred of even supposed evidence to back up what you say, then you got exactly nothing.

Mayfield sucks more than Dak. End of story

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Are u a browns.fan?
You keep repeating yourself, We simply don't agree. You love dak , end of story , enjoy the same,
 

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You are still arguing a point that is irrelevant to what I said.

I never said the team can force a player to play if that player says he is too hurt to play, therefore you are not making a point that applies to what I said.

Again, what I said was when a player says he can play, the decision for him to play isn't solely his. Others have to agree, particularly the medical staff.

I suspect you are just blowing smoke anyway to cover the reality that you are using a different standard with Mayfield than for Dak.
You are repeating yourself with semantics . i get it ,you hate mayfield and love what you see with Dak and don't think dallas has to consider other options or back ups . Enjoy the current show.
 

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You are making this out as if it is black and white, it is not. it is not a court decision and there are many things involved. If baker said he wants to heal and recover the browns cannot force him to play, Many players get hurt , the degree varies ,and the decision to play or not is a game day decision . Plus, in the situation with an organization like the browns i think they had some plans to see what their options were,
This is the thread that just won’t die.
Come on Baker let it go.
Face it, you aren’t any good, no team wants you. The only thing you have ever been good at was commercials.
The fact that you have to come to a Cowboys forum and beg for a job really doesn’t look good for you.
I’m sure the USFL might want you.( maybe)
Please just go away like all the other busts in the league.
 

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The one making the excuses are you . Heck, Dak is an excuse train. The players you mention were not always with the browns and some of them are stars indeed. At the end of the day the AFC North is a much tougher divisoin unless you want to argue dak is playing in a tougher decision as another excuse for dak not winning enough games while getting paid like an elite QB. I stand by my claim Mayfield is a better passer , and the cowboys should have considered other QBs when the contract dispute happened with dak in 2019 -2020 . Stafford is a much better QB and was availalbe. Brady too but brady probably would not come here,.
The only number that matters for cowboys fans is SB and playoff wins , and dak has 1 playoff win at home in 2018 is a far distant memory and too weak of an argument for you to stand on . Seems you are buying into the jerry hype . It is simply inexcusable for the most expensive franchise in the world to have such mediocre QB. If stats is the only thing you care about , then Brandon Weedon had a 70% completion rate with the cowboys when he was cut !!!
You wait and see next season will be the same with dak , making the playoff will be a stretch as many defenses have figured him out. Watch the tape from last season,
I never made an excuse for Dak based on injury. I simply pointed out you are using one standard for Dak and another for Mayfield.

Misrepresenting what others say seems to be the norm for you.

And here you go with another double standard. You argue that the stars I mentioned weren't always with the Browns. Well Chubb, Landry & Njoku have been with the Browns the whole time Mayfield has, and the others at least a couple of years. As for Dak's weapons, only Elliott has been with the team throughout Dak's carreer. Cooper was there 3 years. Gallup 3 but much of one of those he was hurt, Lamb 2 years. Pollard & Schultz 3 years, but neither got much of a chance to play their first year.
 

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You are repeating yourself with semantics . i get it ,you hate mayfield and love what you see with Dak and don't think dallas has to consider other options or back ups . Enjoy the current show.
lol, it's not semantics. Those are actually very different things. Your comment was Baker made the decision to play when he shouldn't have, and I said he had to be cleared by the team and doctors. That has nothing to do with what the scenario would have been had Baker said he didn't feel he could play.

Again, you are trying to cover your double sthandard
 

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I never made an excuse for Dak based on injury. I simply pointed out you are using one standard for Dak and another for Mayfield.

Misrepresenting what others say seems to be the norm for you.

And here you go with another double standard. You argue that the stars I mentioned weren't always with the Browns. Well Chubb, Landry & Njoku have been with the Browns the whole time Mayfield has, and the others at least a couple of years. As for Dak's weapons, only Elliott has been with the team throughout Dak's carreer. Cooper was there 3 years. Gallup 3 but much of one of those he was hurt, Lamb 2 years. Pollard & Schultz 3 years, but neither got much of a chance to play their first year.
again cherry picking, wild accusations etc ,. mentioning players here and there and semantics with no substance or rational answers to why in 6 years there is 1 win at home in the playoffs. You seem to also side step the fact the AFC North is much tougher than the NFC East . But i see you just want to make accusations and wild name calling,
 

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You keep repeating yourself, We simply don't agree. You love dak , end of story , enjoy the same,

LOL, yeah don't try to 'splain to any Dak jock sniffer....you'd think they get a cut from Dak's big paycheck. Dak is an average NFL QB who got lucky with this FO inept handling of the QB situation and left themselves no other options. It figures. Par for the course for these dynamic dumbos.
 

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LOL, yeah don't try to 'splain to any Dak jock sniffer....you'd think they get a cut from Dak's big paycheck. Dak is an average NFL QB who got lucky with this FO inept handling of the QB situation and left themselves no other options. It figures. Par for the course for these dynamic dumbos.
indeed. some love what they see i guess they like the status quo
 

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I'm still in shock that anyone thinks Mayfield is better than Dak. They are seriously not even in the same conversation.

This reminds me of when a few were screaming we should get Jameis Winston to replace Dak. Case Keenum was also touted, as well as a few other backup types. Just makes no sense.
he probably doesn't think Mayfielde is better than Dak, but he likes being an agitator, attention whhore trying to get a few clicks, which he did (Its off season so I am bored). in the end trying to change the debate to "dak is bad", which wasn't the argument to begin with....its a typical Dak hater tactic. never fails, they all go down the same road....I am sure to be called a Dak lover this and that and that all Dak lovers always go down the same path, and enjoy your wins against NFC east and what not....
 

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You don't think Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham an a TE combo of Hooper and Njoku aren't weapons ...?

Or is that just another double standard where you make a complaint against Dak while ignoring that the same situation applies to Mayfield?

A little added commentary on this topic. The play of Hooper, Beckham and Landry all faded after going to Cleveland and playing with Mayfield. Meanwhile, Cooper was at his peak in Dallas, and Schultz and Lamb are growing each year.


Hey, you make constant excuses for Mayfield - the same ones you accuse Cowboy fans of making for Dak. That indicates an irrational agenda, not a fair and reasonable discussion.

Again, if the Cowboys found a QB that clearly is, or provides a high likelihood of being an upgrade, so be it. But don't make excuses for going with a guy that there really is no reasonable way to argue would be an upgrade at all, much less a clear upgrade.
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no one knows what a player will do in the future for sure. but i have seen enough of dak to know he has serious issues in making the needed passes to beat good defenses. In today's NFL that is fatal . I know fully well Dak is not going anywhere , nor will he be given any competition by jerry . I still stand by opinioin mayfield is a better passer than dak. I never blamed dak for being injured. When both were healthy baker won a playoff game and had a much better rating that year. With dak , there excuses don't end.
Heck , jerry could have gone after stafford for 22 mil or even brady at 26 mil a year when he was leaving NE. Jerry doesn't have that kind of vision or mentality.
Your argument about the cowboys being much worse than the cowboys can be disputed by many experts. the browns make crazy decisions and have been one of the worst franchises in the last 40 years.

yesterday they showed a 2018 replay game of the cowboys against the hapless eagles at AT&T stadium. watched some of the first half , The number of missed passes and mistakes dak had was not even funny . Playing behing one of the best OL RB combos. at some stage dak's on field issues have to be scrutinized. The media in dallas has given him a pass so far . and many of the fans as well.
in my opinion, Cousins is a better QB than rodgers. I don't have proof, but I stand by my opinion that he is an overall better QB.... o_O
 

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LOL, yeah don't try to 'splain to any Dak jock sniffer....you'd think they get a cut from Dak's big paycheck. Dak is an average NFL QB who got lucky with this FO inept handling of the QB situation and left themselves no other options. It figures. Par for the course for these dynamic dumbos.
aside from that...is Mayfield a better QB than Dak? that's the argument OP brought fort....
 

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You keep repeating yourself, We simply don't agree. You love dak , end of story , enjoy the same,
no, you want to point fingers and say I love dak....which I have never called him Elite or say that I think he is all that...sorry you failed misreably.

all I am saying is Mayfield is worse QB than Dak. prove me wrong. because you said he was better and I proved your wrong already. again, you dak hater tried to change the narrative of the argument as you dak haters always try to do. its inevitable.

again, you failed.
 

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indeed. some love what they see i guess they like the status quo
no, its not about status quo. even the most ardent Dak supporters say the same....most (not you) like to see things get better. true that Mayfield is not status quo. mayfield is getting worse....get the point? understand now?
 

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no, you want to point fingers and say I love dak....which I have never called him Elite or say that I think he is all that...sorry you failed misreably.

all I am saying is Mayfield is worse QB than Dak. prove me wrong. because you said he was better and I proved your wrong already. again, you dak hater tried to change the narrative of the argument as you dak haters always try to do. its inevitable.

again, you failed.
you are repeating yourself again . you are wrong again . status quo continues . no more to be said
 

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again cherry picking, wild accusations etc ,. mentioning players here and there and semantics with no substance or rational answers to why in 6 years there is 1 win at home in the playoffs. You seem to also side step the fact the AFC North is much tougher than the NFC East . But i see you just want to make accusations and wild name calling,

Well I want to chime in real quick if i may... there are a few quarterbacks who've only had 1 playoff win in their first 5 or 6 years and they've turned out to become HOFers and superbowl winners. Those quarterbacks are Brees, P. Manning, and a few others. Matthew Stafford had zero playoff wins in his first 5, 6 years.

Did you feel the same way about those players as you do with Dak only having 1 playoff win at this early part of his career??? Or is it a different standard for Dak?
 

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again cherry picking, wild accusations etc ,. mentioning players here and there and semantics with no substance or rational answers to why in 6 years there is 1 win at home in the playoffs. You seem to also side step the fact the AFC North is much tougher than the NFC East . But i see you just want to make accusations and wild name calling,
Not a word of this makes sense. Making a decision not to play and making a decision to play are are not the same thing, and in fact are opposite things, so it's not just a matter of semantics. I'm talking about the decision he did make (that he could play), not the opposite decision that he did not make. You are incorrectly applying the term semantics to pretend that arguing about about something I did not say somehow refutes what I did say.

As for "wild accusations", I assume you mean my saying you have a double standard. The reality is you specifically downgraded Dak for having an injury excuse and for having off season surgery, yet you specifically made an injury excuse for Mayfield, and ignored that Mayfield also had off season surgery.

As for the AFC North being a tougher division, the only season there was a notable difference in the 2 divisions was in 2020. Without question that AFC North was tough as hell that year. Every other year of Dak's career the 2 divisions where comparable. Baltimore provided an edge to the AFC North in 2019, and in 2017 The NFC East was had the edge with the eventual Super Bowl champinons, and somehow he survived. Somehow Dak survived even that year. 2016 the NFC East had 3 teams with winning records and the AFC North had 1.
 
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Well I want to chime in real quick if i may... there are a few quarterbacks who've only had 1 playoff win in their first 5 or 6 years and they've turned out to become HOFers and superbowl winners. Those quarterbacks are Brees, P. Manning, and a few others. Matthew Stafford had zero playoff wins in his first 5, 6 years.

Did you feel the same way about those players as you do with Dak only having 1 playoff win at this early part of his career??? Or is it a different standard for Dak?
Am not a fortune teller but from what i see he is NOT a HOF candidate . too many issues in his mechanics and in game decisions. HOF QBs usually read defenses much better and have elite arm strenght or placement, Nothing to see like that with dak ,. I hope am wrong and your asessment turns out correct though.
 

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Am not a fortune teller but from what i see he is NOT a HOF candidate . too many issues in his mechanics and in game decisions. HOF QBs usually read defenses much better and have elite arm strenght or placement, Nothing to see like that with dak ,. I hope am wrong and your asessment turns out correct though.
Dak very likely will never be a real HOF candidate. But will Mayfield? What would be the point trading away draft picks to get a QB who has shown no evidence of being as good, much less better?
 

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Dak very likely will never be a real HOF candidate. But will Mayfield? What would be the point trading away draft picks to get a QB who has shown no evidence of being as good, much less better?
Also don't think baker is a HOF QB .
 
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