Why not grab Baker Mayfield? Dak may not be the answer

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These silly threads. Baker is a starting quarterback. It's no secret he's heading to either Carolina or Seattle. Even Houston is in the mix. But a backup quaterback?! o_O
i agree he is a starter. but hypothetically , as i know it won;'t happen here, Jerry could have gotten him very cheap and given dak competition or a solid back up if dak gets injured or falters. Jerry could have done even better by going after stafford 2 years ago when dak demanded 42 mil a year. Stafford would have cost much less and given dallas a true passer who can win a SB as we have seen . With dak , it is mediocrity and defenses know he cannot make the important passes . He also has issues reading defenses , good defesnes, not the cupcake NFC East ones.
 

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LOL … you're talking about the same thing as with Dak - a decision being made for a player to play through an injury. The only difference is you allow it as an excuse for Mayfield but not for Dak.

And, by the way, it wasn't just Mayfield making the decision, the team doctors and coaches had to sign off on it. All agreed he could play.

And the reality is it's common. It's the NFL. Players play through a multitude of injuries, some that land them on the injury report and some that don't. I've heard players say that once the season starts there is never a point they don't deal with some issue, whether it's just bumps and bruises, or minor strains, or ongoing issues that require treatment and monitoring week after week.

In short, it's not just a Dak thing. ( I would have said it's not just a Dak and Mayfield thing, but then I remembered you allow a double standard with Mayfield).
disagree. a QB can say he is uncomfortable and go for surgery especially that type of injury .
 

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disagree. a QB can say he is uncomfortable and go for surgery especially that type of injury .
That's irrelevant to what I said. I said he can't make the decision to play all on his own. That's indisputable. The coach, trainers and doctors have to agree.
 

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the games are not all on the QB and i agree the biggest issues with the team is jerry's management and player selection and lack of unified authority behind a strong coach . But you have to look at dak as the person who touches every offensive play , and in crucial games , he folds , and the results are : mediocrity. Dak has 1 playoff win , at home , in 6 years . An elite QB making 42 mil a year does better than that, with or without Jerry as GM.

From your point of view. Yet your one game argument has been refuted by several different posters pointing out other QB's that would be considered top shelf also went into season seven with one win in the play-offs. While you are cherry picking to support your dissatisfaction, you dismiss other situations which deny your position. Especially when you factor in you are looking at an entire career for the other QB's and only six seasons for Dak. I don't trust your Magic Eight Ball on the rest of his career.

You also bring up his salary. Do you have any control over that aspect? No. The subliminal message is if Jerry had that money he would suddenly become a man that doesn't pick his nose in public and uses the money wisely to get the top flight Free Agents to bolster the defense. But nowhere in the last decade or more has he ever sold out on that idea. He gave up a lot for Cooper, but then bailed because he sometimes plays with scared money.

The team does not have only one play-off win solely because of Dak. There are many factors in making this case.

Do you believe removing Dak and getting Russel Wilson, or even Mahomes, were he available, might get this team to the NFC Championship game?

Name the player that will get you there and how to acquire him.

But do not name Mayfield, because he is not as good as Dak, and has leadership issues.

So many "pisters" suggest if the team would do what they think, then it would solve enough issues to make a splash in the play-offs. Yet not one of these people actually put together a viable scenario that accounts for all the bumps in the road on the way to actually securing this mythical QB for Dallas.

So sitting back and complaining about the situation, without offering a solution to get where they think this team can get is just grousing.

Textual temper tantrums, and Dak is the bogeyman.

Oddly enough, if this were to be put into political parlance, this demonizing Dak and galvanizing the cadre of pouters against him is exactly what Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler did. Find a segment of society. Make them the villains, and create a rabble focused on one issue.

It tales away from the nefarious antics being foisted onto the gullible public.
 

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That's irrelevant to what I said. I said he can't make the decision to play all on his own. That's indisputable. The coach, trainers and doctors have to agree.
No way , if a QB is injured and feels pain ,and says he cannot play , pretty much the team will have to treat him . Unless they don't want him and can cut him. Have never seen a team force a player to play injured. I think he took a risk for the team and wanted to play anyway. it did not work out as he was hampered.
 

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From your point of view. Yet your one game argument has been refuted by several different posters pointing out other QB's that would be considered top shelf also went into season seven with one win in the play-offs. While you are cherry picking to support your dissatisfaction, you dismiss other situations which deny your position. Especially when you factor in you are looking at an entire career for the other QB's and only six seasons for Dak. I don't trust your Magic Eight Ball on the rest of his career.

You also bring up his salary. Do you have any control over that aspect? No. The subliminal message is if Jerry had that money he would suddenly become a man that doesn't pick his nose in public and uses the money wisely to get the top flight Free Agents to bolster the defense. But nowhere in the last decade or more has he ever sold out on that idea. He gave up a lot for Cooper, but then bailed because he sometimes plays with scared money.

The team does not have only one play-off win solely because of Dak. There are many factors in making this case.

Do you believe removing Dak and getting Russel Wilson, or even Mahomes, were he available, might get this team to the NFC Championship game?

Name the player that will get you there and how to acquire him.

But do not name Mayfield, because he is not as good as Dak, and has leadership issues.

So many "pisters" suggest if the team would do what they think, then it would solve enough issues to make a splash in the play-offs. Yet not one of these people actually put together a viable scenario that accounts for all the bumps in the road on the way to actually securing this mythical QB for Dallas.

So sitting back and complaining about the situation, without offering a solution to get where they think this team can get is just grousing.

Textual temper tantrums, and Dak is the bogeyman.

Oddly enough, if this were to be put into political parlance, this demonizing Dak and galvanizing the cadre of pouters against him is exactly what Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler did. Find a segment of society. Make them the villains, and create a rabble focused on one issue.

It tales away from the nefarious antics being foisted onto the gullible public.
Your assumptions and opinions are suspect .
1) Comparing Dak to these elite SB is highly suspect and have never heard any expert compare dak to these HOF QBs. Elite QBs pretty much present themselves as such . Dak has not displayed any such qualities. but i can tell you think he is elite and we just need to give him 10 years to get to a SB or CCG .
2) Jerry could have gotten stafford when the dispute with dak took place 2 years ago . I know Jerry does not operate this way to protect his stars , but i believe stafford would have gotten the cowboys further and would have cost much less.\
3) Mayfield is a better passer than Dak .
 

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Your assumptions and opinions are suspect .
1) Comparing Dak to these elite SB is highly suspect and have never heard any expert compare dak to these HOF QBs. Elite QBs pretty much present themselves as such . Dak has not displayed any such qualities. but i can tell you think he is elite and we just need to give him 10 years to get to a SB or CCG .
2) Jerry could have gotten stafford when the dispute with dak took place 2 years ago . I know Jerry does not operate this way to protect his stars , but i believe stafford would have gotten the cowboys further and would have cost much less.\
3) Mayfield is a better passer than Dak .
Jerry could have gotten Stafford but didn't. That's not Dak's fault. so why does it seem you are holding that against Dak? that's Jerry. there is a laundry list of Jerry issues that's holding this team back.

may field is no where close to the passer that Dak is, that is clearly evident in every passing stat and the eye test and the current market for Mayfield. and you can't say he hasn't had talent around him, better OL, better run game support and has had the recievers and some here wanted their TE over schultz. no one in the NFL ever has said Baker is a better player or QB than Dak. no analyst ever ranked him anywhere close. you are probably the only person in the world who thinks that. the only person. there is nothing that you are able to show or have shown that supports your opinion. and that's all it is.
 

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I’m all for a good fact-based discussion on any player including Dak but the OP literally just makes stuff up to push his narrative. I mean I’ve read some internet trolls’ opinions on stuff just to give them the benefit of the doubt but the OP clearly struggles with anything beyond a final score when it comes to NFL discussions. At this point I feel dumber just for having read any further than page 2.
 

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I’m all for a good fact-based discussion on any player including Dak but the OP literally just makes stuff up to push his narrative. I mean I’ve read some internet trolls’ opinions on stuff just to give them the benefit of the doubt but the OP clearly struggles with anything beyond a final score when it comes to NFL discussions. At this point I feel dumber just for having read any further than page 2.
the problem is there is zero stats that show any indication of mayfield being better than Dak. not one. and he had a better OL, better TE (according to many on this board), better running game, and good set of WRs. not a single analyst, coach or anybody's ranking anywhere ever put mayfield above Dak....so not sure what he is basing his opinion on, except that he had Dak and he has to bash Dak. he could have picked any other argument to fight, but he chose one that guaranteed he would lose.
 

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the problem is there is zero stats that show any indication of mayfield being better than Dak. not one. and he had a better OL, better TE (according to many on this board), better running game, and good set of WRs. not a single analyst, coach or anybody's ranking anywhere ever put mayfield above Dak....so not sure what he is basing his opinion on, except that he had Dak and he has to bash Dak. he could have picked any other argument to fight, but he chose one that guaranteed he would lose.

Right then he criticized Dak for his calf injury “excuse” then threw Baker a free Get Out Of Jail Due to Injury card. Lol!
 

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...after seeing Mayfield lose huge game Vs GB last year. Browns practically gifted the game to him, gave it back to GB.

....Naw, we're good with Dak. At least till contract is up.
 

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...after seeing Mayfield lose huge game Vs GB last year. Browns practically gifted the game to him, gave it back to GB.

....Naw, we're good with Dak. At least till contract is up.
enjoy dak, the elite star QB . Don't worry he is not going anywhere. .. enjoy
 

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I'm an old fashioned kind a guy. I support and root for my teams QB and hope he will get it done. If at the end of his career he hasn't oh well on to the next guy.

I don't wish for some other guy to be the savior. I don't waste time saying how my guy sucks. I deal with what is and that 's that. Dak is my guy and will be as long as he wears the uniform

and nobody hurling insults is going to change my outlook. Go Dak !!!! Go Cowboys!!!

And if you are wondering why I waste time with responding ? You disrespected MY GUY!!!!!

I'm a FAN, like that. I argued whether Roger was better than Terry Bradshaw, I argued whether Romo was better than Eli Manning

I'm Dak vs all comers

Just how I get Down
 

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Your assumptions and opinions are suspect .
1) Comparing Dak to these elite SB is highly suspect and have never heard any expert compare dak to these HOF QBs. Elite QBs pretty much present themselves as such . Dak has not displayed any such qualities. but i can tell you think he is elite and we just need to give him 10 years to get to a SB or CCG .
2) Jerry could have gotten stafford when the dispute with dak took place 2 years ago . I know Jerry does not operate this way to protect his stars , but i believe stafford would have gotten the cowboys further and would have cost much less.\
3) Mayfield is a better passer than Dak .

You know the end of their career story. You do not know Dak's. You assume.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Dallas could have had both Montana and Brady. They didn't take either. How that is germane to this discussion is just a diversion from your premise that comparing the total career of a QB who had the same start as Dak, when you cannot see the complete career of Dak is valid. It just isn't valid at all.

Mayfield is being run out of town in Cleveland for a man accused of sexually assaulting women.

Could you go more off road with your position than the last two?
 

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You know the end of their career story. You do not know Dak's. You assume.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Dallas could have had both Montana and Brady. They didn't take either. How that is germane to this discussion is just a diversion from your premise that comparing the total career of a QB who had the same start as Dak, when you cannot see the complete career of Dak is valid. It just isn't valid at all.

Mayfield is being run out of town in Cleveland for a man accused of sexually assaulting women.

Could you go more off road with your position than the last two?
You are entitled to your opinion of Dak. You think he will be in the same class someday like these HOF QBs . I don’t .
Baker is not likely to be a HOF QB either , but I think he is a better passer than Dak . Playing at Cleveland and that toxic organization produces crazy things . Playing injured last year affected baker also .
Anyway , Jerry won’t make such trades just like he failed to make moves to acquire better talent before . He likes to stick to his picks until the end . That usually means 10 years . If you believe Dak is a HOF QB like these QBs mentioned, you will get a chance to find out the truth soon . I don’t think he is .
 

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the problem is there is zero stats that show any indication of mayfield being better than Dak. not one. and he had a better OL, better TE (according to many on this board), better running game, and good set of WRs. not a single analyst, coach or anybody's ranking anywhere ever put mayfield above Dak....so not sure what he is basing his opinion on, except that he had Dak and he has to bash Dak. he could have picked any other argument to fight, but he chose one that guaranteed he would lose.
Mayfield is not close to Dak's level.
 

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You are entitled to your opinion of Dak. You think he will be in the same class someday like these HOF QBs . I don’t .
Baker is not likely to be a HOF QB either , but I think he is a better passer than Dak . Playing at Cleveland and that toxic organization produces crazy things . Playing injured last year affected baker also .
Anyway , Jerry won’t make such trades just like he failed to make moves to acquire better talent before . He likes to stick to his picks until the end . That usually means 10 years . If you believe Dak is a HOF QB like these QBs mentioned, you will get a chance to find out the truth soon . I don’t think he is .
show some stats to back up your made up assumption.....toxic organization!!! really you want to go there with Jerry, Stephen and the cowboys organization where the coach can't tell OC what plays to call!!! really...you going there!!! and funny you bash everybody that talks about Dak's injury, but here you give Baker a nice excuse...he was injured.....

and no, Dak is not a HOF QB...but he sure dang is heck of a lot better than that loser Mayfield (who nobody wants...I mean nobody has been knocking at cleveland door to ask, yeah....he is so good).
 

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Baker Mayfield............................ Is that You!!!!!
C'Mon Man Baker Mayfield ???? Basel90 Really
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Swingandamiss
 
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