Why penalties have become so mind numbing

[kskboys]

I’m curious exactly what the directive is each week with 16 different officiating crews?

Ok guys” we want the Pats in the Super Bowl”
And “ keep it close in Dallas”

Do we even realize how ridiculous this is.

It isn’t like throwing one game in a season or a series in baseball . This would be a league wide effort with hundreds of officials that everyone for how many years have taken to their graves. They haven’t told their wives, parents, children , girlfriends , etc .
Not a peep. Lol

What's even more ridiculous is denying it w/o proof!!!!!!
I'm curious also.

 

[kskboys]

Don’t you think that those who’d be more effected by it like the gambling world or other owners upset not to mention lawmakers and the justice dept would call for an investigation because of the enourmous money involved along with public perception. Or are they all involved with the cover up too?

You say your thoughts aren’t a Conspiracy theory but they are.

They aren't. I don't have a theory, I just know I see it. And it's obvious.

Very strange stuff going on.

 

[kskboys]

Officiating isn’t an exact science . These are part time jobs. They’ve always been highly criticized but today’s technology exposes them even more.

And they have had more taken away from them. They really don’t need to make the right call if it can be reviewed anymore.

The most important aspect Instant Replay and reviewing calls intent was to reduce calls effecting the outcomes of games. I’d say on the most part it has. That call in AFC champ game was one of those that will always be questionable which unfortunately has always been part of the game.

Not call, calls. The least penalized D in the NFL was suddenly called for a host of penalties. Yeah, nothing fishy there!!!!!!

 

[buybuydandavis]

I’m curious exactly what the directive is each week with 16 different officiating crews?

Ok guys” we want the Pats in the Super Bowl”
And “ keep it close in Dallas”

Do we even realize how ridiculous this is.

It isn’t like throwing one game in a season or a series in baseball . This would be a league wide effort with hundreds of officials that everyone for how many years have taken to their graves. They haven’t told their wives, parents, children , girlfriends , etc .
Not a peep. Lol

You missed the point about memos not being required for corporate collusion. Nor directives.

There's nothing to tell anyone. The guys who do what the bosses want get ahead. Those who don't, don't. Evolution in action.

I'm not sold on the theory because I really only watch the Cowboys. I haven't seen enough of it myself. But if there is a strong pattern of questionable calls that increase profits, I wouldn't be surprised.

There's the way that organizations pretend to work. There's the way they do work. Things that benefit the organization that can be done with plausible deniability, likely will get done.

 

[kskboys]

OK, Greg, you go on w/ your thoughts, I've had my say in this thread, and now we're down to Nuh uh, uh huh stuff.

Later!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Diehardblues]

OK, Greg, you go on w/ your thoughts, I've had my say in this thread, and now we're down to Nuh uh, uh huh stuff.

Later!!!!!!!!!!

Just give me something besides your suspicion. Surely you’ve had to profile a suspect like a problem employee? Any history on this official . Anything.

And fess up it is a Conspiracy theory in effect also. Your Patterism leads you to believe that.

Throwing out these allegations and accusations may make for fun chat on a forum but don’t hold any weight otherwise.

Sorry to buck you so hard on this but it’s out there.

 

[Blackrain]

Absolutely. There is. I can see it. I simply don't know what it is or how it's being done.

I hear you brother I cant figure it out but I am secure in knowing that there are people much smarter than I am probably behind it LOLOL I have watched , played and discussed a heck of a lot of football in my time and I know you have to that is why we can see something is just not right compared to the casual fan who tunes in buys the advertised products but dosent really pay attention to the details .

Living in the Philly area I deal with some of the most evil , hateful fans on the planet . This is not to say they are not passionate and as hard as it may be to believe very knowledgeable . Philly fans are not casual fans they are diehard in the most twisted of ways . If I was the only one beating this drum I could dismiss it as my own screwed up notion .
But when half a dozen of your friends are calling and texting you at half time and its all about the officiating along with it dominating sports talk radio in the area I have to believe we are not alone in our concerns .

I don't have a problem admitting Im not smart enough to figure out how they are doing it . Im also not smart enough to build a space shuttle to orbit the earth but it dosent mean it cant happen LOLOL One thing I do know is when crazy money is at stake and people have unlimited resources it amazing what can happen .

Heck In 10 yrs when football is outlawed because the government decides it too dangerous a book may come out describing the whole process LOL

 

[Roadtrip635]

more simply they are making games ugly with all the stoppages and creating a lot f dramas and controversy..it typically does even out by games end but when Conspiracy theory's on betting and refs trying to control and manage games start popping up, RG and thr NFL better get this cleaned up..

riught now id say RTP is the worst, followed by targeting/defenseless receiver rules which are newly being enforced and at times they are legal hits but in the game the refs get to call them and hurt team with now way to reverse it? in college they review Targeting calls made or not mad eon the field, its only fair if you can fine a player or throw them our and suspend them for it..

I dont like game stoppages by they might want to look to the College game for these and that goes for PI , should not be spot foul given them being wrong a lot 15 yards is easier to swallow then first and goal onm bad call..

The problem with making PI a 15yd penalty vs spot foul is then any DB beat for more than 15yds will just wrap the player up and take the 15 yds rather than risk giving up the bigger play. That would be huge in end of half or game scenarios, where time is a factor. That gets magnified with less time on the clock. That would be part of the new prevent defense, give up the underneath stuff, but over 15 yds, and you get beat, just wrap up or tackle your man before he can make the catch.

 

[Red Dragon]

I’m curious exactly what the directive is each week with 16 different officiating crews?

Ok guys” we want the Pats in the Super Bowl”
And “ keep it close in Dallas”

Do we even realize how ridiculous this is.

It isn’t like throwing one game in a season or a series in baseball . This would be a league wide effort with hundreds of officials that everyone for how many years have taken to their graves. They haven’t told their wives, parents, children , girlfriends , etc .
Not a peep. Lol

The facts speak for themselves. Take NBA Western Conference Finals 2002 Game Six or Super Bowl XL. Some things simply surpass the statistical threshold of what is normal and not normal. When the evidence gets to a certain degree, then what remains as the inescapable conclusion, is.

 

[Diehardblues]

The facts speak for themselves. Take NBA Western Conference Finals 2002 Game Six or Super Bowl XL. Some things simply surpass the statistical threshold of what is normal and not normal. When the evidence gets to a certain degree, then what remains as the inescapable conclusion, is.

Conclusion by fans is inconsequential.

 

[Falco78]

This is a solid point. The rules contain too much verbiage that is up for interpretation. The new QB penalty:



Was the hit intimidating or punishing? Did the defender unnecessarily wrestle or drive the QB into the ground? Was the hit just plain unnecessary or violent? Did the defender land with all or most of his weight on the QB? Did the defender try to avoid landing on the QB with all his weight?

How many considerations have to be taken in such a short span of time? It's just too much. It opens the door for a perfectly legal hit to be flagged because it looked worse than it actually was. We've all seen legitimately cheap hits and when you see them you know it. Many of the hits that are flagged now are plays that leave you thinking, "man, if this is how the rule is supposed to work, what's the point in even watching?"

Yet most of the weight can be easily applied if he has the QB wrapped up like that

 

[DcFootball4]

First of all, I’m not the kind of guy who blames the refs for ANY loss. EVER. Good teams overcome all obstacles including bad calls, so this post isn’t about us “getting screwed by the refs”. This post is actually about why the refs are screwing every team in the NFL with bad calls.

The reason IMO is actually pretty simple: The NFL can’t clearly define their rules which makes them hard to enforce.

I mean seriously, who knows what a catch is anymore? What really constitutes pass interference? Offensive holding? They could call it every play but for some strange reason it is only called once in a strange while. And roughing the passer? I challenge anyone to explain how that rule is being enforced this year. The list of unclear rules and enforcement could go on and on....

If this is ever going to get better, the NFL needs to simplify their rules. I’ve been watching NFL games since 1964, and trust me when I say games in the 60s-90s were much less dominated by strange penalties that made people scratch their heads. Sure you got bad calls- like the ridiculous call against Benny Barnes in SB XIII...but I digress.

Bottom line- the bad calls we are seeing in mass quantities are a direct result of the NFLs poor job of clearly defining its rules. It needs some serious work!

I am 100% with you!! I am yelling after every Sunday about the ridiculous calls I see. I have even complained about calls against opponents of our Boys.. just so sick of seeing yellow after every play no matter the team, let the guys play! It’s like a big play happens and you jo it’s coming back!

 

[Bobhaze]

I am 100% with you!! I am yelling after every Sunday about the ridiculous calls I see. I have even complained about calls against opponents of our Boys.. just so sick of seeing yellow after every play no matter the team, let the guys play! It’s like a big play happens and you jo it’s coming back!

If I had to choose between watching a game where the refs “let ‘em play” and not call everything versus a game where every “tricky tacky” foul is called, give me the “let’em play” model.

 

[john van brocklin]

First of all, I’m not the kind of guy who blames the refs for ANY loss. EVER. Good teams overcome all obstacles including bad calls, so this post isn’t about us “getting screwed by the refs”. This post is actually about why the refs are screwing every team in the NFL with bad calls.

The reason IMO is actually pretty simple: The NFL can’t clearly define their rules which makes them hard to enforce.

I mean seriously, who knows what a catch is anymore? What really constitutes pass interference? Offensive holding? They could call it every play but for some strange reason it is only called once in a strange while. And roughing the passer? I challenge anyone to explain how that rule is being enforced this year. The list of unclear rules and enforcement could go on and on....

If this is ever going to get better, the NFL needs to simplify their rules. I’ve been watching NFL games since 1964, and trust me when I say games in the 60s-90s were much less dominated by strange penalties that made people scratch their heads. Sure you got bad calls- like the ridiculous call against Benny Barnes in SB XIII...but I digress.

Bottom line- the bad calls we are seeing in mass quantities are a direct result of the NFLs poor job of clearly defining its rules. It needs some serious work!

I second this motion!

 

[SDCowboy]

Bad calls aside, there needs to be a complete overhaul to penalties, period.

If a "penalty" was committed that has zero effect on the play, it shouldn't be called. If there is a hold on the left side of the line, and the RB runs to the right, that shouldn't be a penalty. If there is offensive PI, but the ball isn't even thrown to that WR, that shouldn't be a penalty.

Bottom line, the NFL needs to do SOMETHING to reel in the penalties and stoppages if they want young people to care about the game down the line.

 

[DcFootball4]

Bad calls aside, there needs to be a complete overhaul to penalties, period.

If a "penalty" was committed that has zero effect on the play, it shouldn't be called. If there is a hold on the left side of the line, and the RB runs to the right, that shouldn't be a penalty. If there is offensive PI, but the ball isn't even thrown to that WR, that shouldn't be a penalty.

Bottom line, the NFL needs to do SOMETHING to reel in the penalties and stoppages if they want young people to care about the game down the line.

I love this idea! That would help out big time.

 

[blueblood70]

The problem with making PI a 15yd penalty vs spot foul is then any DB beat for more than 15yds will just wrap the player up and take the 15 yds rather than risk giving up the bigger play. That would be huge in end of half or game scenarios, where time is a factor. That gets magnified with less time on the clock. That would be part of the new prevent defense, give up the underneath stuff, but over 15 yds, and you get beat, just wrap up or tackle your man before he can make the catch.

Odd college scoring is wide open and they have the 15 yard PI..thye arent having issues..

 

[Diehardblues]

I love this idea! That would help out big time.

But those penalties still have an impact on the play. If one receiver is being held makes it easier to defend the others. And same for blockers.

 

[Diehardblues]

One thing we haven’t considered is today’s player might not be as disciplined and simply committing more infractions.

There’s so much pressure to make that block, defend the receiver and protect the QB they’re more willing to risk the penalty being called.

Just a thought ..

 

[Brax]

First of all, I’m not the kind of guy who blames the refs for ANY loss. EVER. Good teams overcome all obstacles including bad calls, so this post isn’t about us “getting screwed by the refs”. This post is actually about why the refs are screwing every team in the NFL with bad calls.

The reason IMO is actually pretty simple: The NFL can’t clearly define their rules which makes them hard to enforce.

I mean seriously, who knows what a catch is anymore? What really constitutes pass interference? Offensive holding? They could call it every play but for some strange reason it is only called once in a strange while. And roughing the passer? I challenge anyone to explain how that rule is being enforced this year. The list of unclear rules and enforcement could go on and on....

If this is ever going to get better, the NFL needs to simplify their rules. I’ve been watching NFL games since 1964, and trust me when I say games in the 60s-90s were much less dominated by strange penalties that made people scratch their heads. Sure you got bad calls- like the ridiculous call against Benny Barnes in SB XIII...but I digress.

Bottom line- the bad calls we are seeing in mass quantities are a direct result of the NFLs poor job of clearly defining its rules. It needs some serious work!

You are correct, there were bad calls 60's -90's but not to this point, it is to the point of really ruining the game. Look at how long it took to fix the catch rule. Kinda funny a blow to the head is and should be a penalty unless your a runner,then you can hit a player in the head, push his head back push his face mask, guess they don't care about safety when the ball carrier has the ball. So many rules with no clear what is and isn't a foul.