Why people continue to defend the Jones is mindnumbing to me

[Ken]

This is the best defense you can come up with? LOL.

No, teams don't have all pro level OTs in reserve. But most teams also don't have starting LTs that can't stay healthy for entire seasons. Smith getting hurt was utterly predictable. Most smart teams would have likely taken insurance out in this situation with a veteran OT that can play a little knowing Smith could get hurt at any point.

Not our cracker jack GMs. They thought Ball and Waletzko were all they needed. Don't include Tyler Smith. They never had any intention of him actually playing OT this year. Hence when when camp started they gave him all his snaps at LG. Plus, he's clearly not ready to play LT at this level at this time. He's too raw.

The Jones botched this thing. They just did. They had a great LT who hadn't finished a full season in 6 years and yet they acted like he'd play all 17 and they had no need for veteran help.

So when they sign Fisher or Williams or trade for the kid from NE....then what?

You will have to recant this post?

Relax. Not many teams have contingency plans for losing franchise LTs for extended periods of time.

 

[Mr_437]

Some guy told me to get over myself for not believing what Jerry was talking about. Haha Jones can do no wrong for some of these guys.

 

[Ken]

Tyron hasn't been healthy in years. When is the last time he completed a full season? At a position as important as left tackle, you develop a contingency plan. You look for his replacement way before the day he's close to retiring. The FO has created huge holes at spots like WR and on the O line by letting talent go and then doing nothing but expecting rookies to come in and fill the gap. Not a recipe for real success in the league.

Perhaps you missed who they drafted in the first round this year?

I am sure you complained about that too.

 

[phildadon86]

Every team in the league has pro bowl level LTs just waiting in the wings for when these things happen.

The Jones' are to blame!!!!!

The rationale was...why bring in a washed up turnstyle, like they have done in recent years, instead of just going with young guys with upside?

I like the approach, now we will see if they are right.

Of course you do.

This team cant do any wrong in your eyes.

Swing tackle was a problem prior to and after the draft. Now it is a MASSIVE problem because this team refuses to be proactive ever.

 

[Carson]

So when they sign Fisher or Williams or trade for the kid from NE....then what?

You will have to recant this post?

Relax. Not many teams have contingency plans for losing franchise LTs for extended periods of time.

David Bahktiari in Green Bay is always hurt. Green Bay still finds a way to dominate though

 

[Ken]

You make reasonable points on the topic. Here and elsewhere.

They took a risk and lost. Not only did Tyron go down, but so did Waletzko, and Ball isn't really what they had hoped.

I'll judge them on what they do from here, because every in house option that I see weakens another OL spot, and they have said they don't like moving multiple players for one injury.

I'll fault them again for being a step behind. None of the fallback options at LT are really ready to play there.

This problem becomes a very, very real one when it snowballs into Prescott missing time by getting clobbered.....or the offense can't move the ball.

I'd say Grier ought to stay loose. Nooch also.

Agreed. Let's see if they make a move now. You can't go into the season with Well LET'S GO and Ball. That is just dumb at this point

 

[McKDaddy]

But is it a fair question?

I mean they have spent a first, 4th & 5th round pick on the position in just the past two years. They have tried to address it. Whether any of these players work out is to be determined. Yes, it's unfortunate that Tyron went down this early in the season & that W got injured.
But it's clear that they have realized T needed to be addressed & have tried to do so. Sure, you can question why they didn't also address in FA but can you actually show a course of action where they could have gotten a player who would definitely be a solid starter while fitting player on the roster (if Tyron had not gotten injured), salary cap for current & future years, impact to developing young players, etc..
My point is it's easy to say they didn't do anything or they should have done more but it's an entirely different thing to have a viable plan that works in the real world.

 

[rags747]

The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling. Climate Change…We have 10 years left to Cataclysmic Annihilation! You people belong with the talking heads on the nightly news shows. Funny stuff I gotta admit. You guys continue the circlejerk, I’m headed out for some oysters and rum runners with floaters. Peace…

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Because it's a lost cause. I don't even pay attention to the Jones's anymore. The only chance this franchise has is to catch lightning in a bottle for a season because they're incapable of sustaining long term success under the current leadership. Micah Parsons is lightning in a bottle, Dan Quinn and the Dallas defense could possibly be. If your a Cowboys fan what else can you do but hope that one day the collective talent of coaches and players on the field out weight the the crippling incompetency of the management. I don't care what anybody says both Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn are quality football coaches and Dallas has some very good talent on both sides of the ball. Big Enis and Little Enis continue to be the driving force that engineer poor contract negotiations, poor free-agent acquisitions, the lack of ability to identify weakness of their own roster, complete incoherency to cap management, or to even close the shades on their own damn stadium. I don't follow the Jones's. I've never been to their stadium, and I don't own a single piece of their merchandise. Not even a Cowboys Bic lighter. I simply show up on Sundays to watch the dude's with stars on their helmets, because that's all they are to me now.

 

[phildadon86]

David Bahktiari in Green Bay is always hurt. Green Bay still finds a way to dominate though

Yeah. They dont take risks in the second round. How nice would it have been to take Radunz, or Walker Little instead of Kelvin Joseph right now?

 

[Ken]

David Bahktiari in Green Bay is always hurt. Green Bay still finds a way to dominate though

Yes, Bahktiari played one game last year. GB had a Pro Bowler stud waiting in the wings....oh wait...they used a combo of a 4th round pick and an undrafted 2nd year FA to play LT. Hmmmmmm


You would have been moaning and groaning all year!

 

[Majic]

It's almost like they don't know what they are doing

 

[HungryLion]

Help us. Someone please help us.

 

[slick325]

Help us. Someone please help us.

I love Zeke...don't think that's a mystery to any of the regulars on this board. But, the Cowboys go as their OL and DL go. The trenches are where it's at Jerry.

 

[terra]

This is the best defense you can come up with? LOL.

No, teams don't have all pro level OTs in reserve. But most teams also don't have starting LTs that can't stay healthy for entire seasons. Smith getting hurt was utterly predictable. Most smart teams would have likely taken insurance out in this situation with a veteran OT that can play a little knowing Smith could get hurt at any point.

Not our cracker jack GMs. They thought Ball and Waletzko were all they needed. Don't include Tyler Smith. They never had any intention of him actually playing OT this year. Hence when when camp started they gave him all his snaps at LG. Plus, he's clearly not ready to play LT at this level at this time. He's too raw.

The Jones botched this thing. They just did. They had a great LT who hadn't finished a full season in 6 years and yet they acted like he'd play all 17 and they had no need for veteran help.

you were wondering when the first Jones BOT was going to show up....

 

[nalam]

May be this was the plan from day One , LT replacement is Tyler Smith and let him bring on slowly as guard in the left side to get familiar with NFL work and move him to LT ( once Tyron inevitably injured)

But this approach has weakened the whole left side not to mention so-so center. Biadaz, McGovern and Smith ( too much inexperience , which will be exploited by DLs )

 

[shabazz]

I almost never mention the owners in any of my threads. Learned some time ago that's it's useless. Better time spent discussing the players and coaches that can actually be replaced if they fail to perform

 

[rambo2]

is mindnumbing to me.

How they have handled the OT spot since last season ended is a case study in their ineptitude. Tyron Smith is a great LT, when healthy. He's never completely healthy. Banking on him to be healthy for a full season is always a risk. It should surprise zero people, including the two nitwits running the team, that Smith got hurt....... again.

They decided the other starting OT, Collins, was too much of a headache, making too much money to bring back. They had Steele in the wings and they thought he made Collins expendable. Only problem is that even with his flaws, Collins was easily one of your 2-3 best OTs on the roster. With, again, the other top OT being a complete injury risk every season. Nevertheless, they sent Collins packing.

So they had Smith and Steele. And then the depth chart was basically Ball, a guy who had never taken a NFL snap. They sat on their ***** in FA when there were decent OT options out there in FA. They threw a draft pick in the later rounds at an OT from North Dakota. Jerry and Stephen looked at each other and believed they were in fine shape at OT.

They weren't. Most fans have been saying this for two months. But Jerry and Stephen plowed ahead thinking everything was great. And then what was entirely predictable, Smith getting hurt, happened and what the Cowboys have right now is a turnstile in Ball and them forcing a kid with a shoulder injury from North Dakota to try to play through the pain and not damage his shoulder further.

And many yahoos on this board defended the front office on how they handled the OT spot. Geezus.

Oh and guess what? They are doing the same thing with the WR spot.

You can bad mouth them if you want, but all they have to do is to bring in 2 veteran tackles by free agency or trade and cut Josh Ball and move him to the practice squad. They have the cap space and the guys that you are bad mouthing created this space.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Jerry/Stephen have built the perfect business model in the last 20 years starting with what Parcells brought and then adding McClay. Draft well, luck into a starting QB, and surround them with just enough pieces to remain competitive and relevant each season. As long as they had Romo or Dak healthy, the team will win enough games to avoid having consecutive losing seasons. The only way the Jones family will see heavy criticism is if the team was bad like 2000-2002 but with this structure, that won't happen if they keep lucking into a decent QB.

 

[john van brocklin]

Every team in the league has pro bowl level LTs just waiting in the wings for when these things happen.

The Jones' are to blame!!!!!

The rationale was...why bring in a washed up turnstyle, like they have done in recent years, instead of just going with young guys with upside?

I like the approach, now we will see if they are right.

Ken, you know I respect you.
But they got nuttin behind Tyrone.
If they don't do something real creative, it's going get real ugly , real fast...