CFZ Why the Cowboys needed to move on from Moore

[CowboyRoy]

The run defense was not, but the offense is what let us down 2 years in a row.

So the run defense sucked last year, but it was the offenses fault? Now your chasing your own tail.

Last year Dak had 270 yards 2 TD's and a pick. If he had that game THIS year we win the game. Despite the horrid Zeke and the run game doing NOTHING both times.

Defense dropped the ball last year and thats why we lost. This year it was the offense.

 

[Havic]

So the run defense sucked last year, but it was the offenses fault? Now your chasing your own tail.

Last year Dak had 270 yards 2 TD's and a pick. If he had that game THIS year we win the game. Despite the horrid Zeke and the run game doing NOTHING both times.

Defense dropped the ball last year and thats why we lost. This year it was the offense.

Respectively disagree. Though the point I’ve been making is statistically the offense is good but it never translates past the divisional round. So who shares the bulk of this? Dak? Or Km’s game management / play calling? We will certainly find out next season.

 

[Loso86]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse, with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

Moore would be fine if we had a guy like majones, or Rodgers or Brady or even Romo. But Dak needs to be coddled a little bit

 

[The Fonz]

Cowboys will finish last in the division....Dak has more lives than a cat.

And all this really did was amplify the problems in Dallas.

There will be no more scapegoats...

This is the Dak/ McCarthy clown show

No worries the Jones will keep fooling the people again and again

 

[JayFord]

he wasnt Pushin P, Yo

 

[Cmac]

This is partly Moore's fault though. He's the OC who willingly trotted Zeke out there week after week and fed him instead of the clearly better player. Pollard barely got any playing time until middle of this year!!

If the OC has a weapon like that and would rather run Zeke up the gut every single first down, that's HIS fault

Philbin, for the most part.....didn't do KMoore any favors as well and ultimately was faced with a reshuffled OL.

 

[TwentyOne]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse, with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

As an OC you are handicapped with a bad QB.

We listened to the same reasons with Callahan, Linehan, Garrett and now Moore: The offense is too simple etc..

To me it was very surprising that MM accepted this job with Dallas without wanting Prescott and Moore gone. Seems like he had a deal with JJ who wanted to give Moore a chance. Now after three years MM got his wish.

With Prescott still on the roster and getting his new contract under MM to me is a big negative point for MM. I still cant believe a coach who really wants to win (and not because of the money) would have made this decission (keep Prescott).

 

[Reality]

As an OC you are handicapped with a bad QB.

We listened to the same reasons with Callahan, Linehan, Garrett and now Moore: The offense is too simple etc..

To me it was very surprising that MM accepted this job with Dallas without wanting Prescott and Moore gone. Seems like he had a deal with JJ who wanted to give Moore a chance. Now after three years MM got his wish.

With Prescott still on the roster and getting his new contract under MM to me is a big negative point for MM. I still cant believe a coach who really wants to win (and not because of the money) would have made this decission (keep Prescott).

When Dak signed his new contract, McCarthy had to know his future was tied firmly to him, so I don't feel bad for McCarthy at all.

Maybe a new OC and/or McCarthy can fix or limit Dak and make him a better quarterback.

No matter how it plays out though, a year from now everyone will know if McCarthy is a good coach and if the Cowboys need to keep or move on from Dak.

 

[TwentyOne]

When Dak signed his new contract, McCarthy had to know his future was tied firmly to him, so I don't feel bad for McCarthy at all.

Maybe a new OC and/or McCarthy can fix or limit Dak and make him a better quarterback.

No matter how it plays out though, a year from now everyone will know if McCarthy is a good coach and if the Cowboys need to keep or move on from Dak.

Dont get me wrong, i dont feel bad for MM too. Its just, that i would have had expected that a coach with a true winning attitude would have said no to Prescotts new deal. Start over with a new QB that he drafted/brought in here thru FA on his own. I would have had expected that he only signed his deal with that demand fulfilled.

So that was the first impression i got from MM: His decission to come here was not to win. It was something else. Well you now can make up your own mind about his intentions. I for myself think it was more about the money. I also think he wanted to prove something, but that wasnt his top priority.

It is (another) reason for me to think that Dallas isnt very attractive to coaches that really want to win something. Its more of a "final destination" for coaches who want to have a last good contract before retirement.

And btw dont get me wrong. I think that MM is a good coach.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Romo and Dak have pretty much the same post-season record

Exactly.............I guess I must have amnesia because I dont remember all of these playoff wins that Romo supposedly had................in fact, they are identical records

Romo playoff record..............2-4, 0-3 in Divisional Round
Dak playoff record.................2-4, 0-3 in the Divisional Round

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dont get me wrong, i dont feel bad for MM too. Its just, that i would have had expected that a coach with a true winning attitude would have said no to Prescotts new deal. Start over with a new QB that he drafted/brought in here thru FA on his own. I would have had expected that he only signed his deal with that demand fulfilled.

So that was the first impression i got from MM: His decission to come here was not to win. It was something else. Well you now can make up your own mind about his intentions. I for myself think it was more about the money. I also think he wanted to prove something, but that wasnt his top priority.

It is (another) reason for me to think that Dallas isnt very attractive to coaches that really want to win something. Its more of a "final destination" for coaches who want to have a last good contract before retirement.

And btw dont get me wrong. I think that MM is a good coach.

That’s your opinion. I’ve never heard anyone come out and say Dak isn’t coachable. And when Mike was looking for a job it was trash out there that had Mayfield and Daniel Jones. Wasn’t very many options out there to coach guys like Mahomes.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

When you have a quarterback that cant make all of the throw, you get those type of playcalls

Funny the Linehan/Moore offense wasnt a problem when Romo was under center

It’s always been a problem. Romo made plays based on the offensive breaking down and improvising….it wasn’t some great play calls lol. You literally had defense coming out saying how simple the Cowboys were…same thing they say today. I’ll never forget how they ended Texas Stadium with Ravens laughing at how predictable our offense is. Same problems different guy similar offenses.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Ironically McCarthy was also heavily criticized for " bland and stale " offensive play calling in Green Bay.

Some were saying that Mike was too old schooled stuck on the traditional west coast, and didn't have the space age advanced mentality that the NFL trend was
now seeing ala RPO's , spread, etc.

The big key to any offensive play caller is the capability to always be able to expand, advance, always scheming new designs and new ways of attacking,.. we saw it with Garrett, Linehan
and Kellen, .. could the same happen with McCarthy ?

Either way, we are fixin' to see what happens.

Hopefully it will divert some attention away from the usual subject.

 

[Zman5]

It’s always been a problem. Romo made plays based on the offensive breaking down and improvising….it wasn’t some great play calls lol. You literally had defense coming out saying how simple the Cowboys were…same thing they say today. I’ll never forget how they ended Texas Stadium with Ravens laughing at how predictable our offense is. Same problems different guy similar offenses.

Romo threw 3 INTS vs Carolina in 2015. Carolina was mostly playing zone and fooled Romo by having a robber in zone coverage. The scheme does nothing to stress the defense so it's very easy to defend . Even against a 12 year vet who has seen everything.

 

[TwentyOne]

I’ve never heard anyone come out and say Dak isn’t coachable.

How do you come to this conclusion after you read my post ?

 

[atlantacowboy]

You have 2 choices in this league if you want to win a super bowl. You have to go all in and load the roster or have a generational QB. We have don't that kind of QB nor do we go "all in" preferring to manage the cap so we can sign our guys 2 years down the road. The Cowboys off-seasons are half measures and consist of trying to treadmill the existing roster while sprinkling in a few rookies. It doesn't work, it has never worked, and it never will. The Dallas FO has been trying to recreates the team Jimmy Johnson built for 27 years. It can't be done in the capped era.

We need to look around and take notice of what teams like the Eagles, Niners, Bucs, and Rams have done to earn their super trips. Load the roster.

 

[CowboyoWales]

You have 2 choices in this league if you want to win a super bowl. You have to go all in and load the roster or have a generational QB. We have don't that kind of QB nor do we go "all in" preferring to manage the cap so we can sign our guys 2 years down the road. The Cowboys off-seasons are half measures and consist of trying to treadmill the existing roster while sprinkling in a few rookies. It doesn't work, it has never worked, and it never will. The Dallas FO has been trying to recreates the team Jimmy Johnson built for 27 years. It can't be done in the capped era.

We need to look around and take notice of what teams like the Eagles, Niners, Bucs, and Rams have done to earn their super trips. Load the roster.

.....but the next question is whether we go ALL-IN under the $49m+ QB, or build in 2023 to go ALL-IN under a Rookie QB in 2024.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Ironically McCarthy was also heavily criticized for " bland and stale " offensive play calling in Green Bay.

Some were saying that Mike was too old schooled stuck on the traditional west coast, and didn't have the space age advanced mentality that the NFL trend was
now seeing ala RPO's , spread, etc.

The big key to any offensive play caller is the capability to always be able to expand, advance, always scheming new designs and new ways of attacking,.. we saw it with Garrett, Linehan
and Kellen, .. could the same happen with McCarthy ?

I remember that too, this is why I'm curious as to who the new OC will be. Even though MM will be calling the plays, having an OC expand upon the offense will be key.

 

[SinceDayOne]

Wish Moore well with the Chargers. Glad to see him no longer in Dallas with the Cowboys. I hope the new OC and QB coach can improve Prescott play and consistency. It was time to change and try something new with Dak.

 

[Cmac]

Offensive scheme was predictable......QB miscues weren't corrected......OL play wasn't conducive to scheme......Situational football got questioned.