CFZ Why the Cowboys needed to move on from Moore

[kskboys]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse, with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

And the biggie: Seemingly being incapable of calling the run game.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Change is good sometimes.
Everybody knew what was coming with Kellen Moore.

 

[WillieBeamen]

And still failed in the postseason. That’s the point. This offense has been ultra successful in at least 3-4 different years during the season, but no matter who was calling plays, coaching, or playing QB, it has failed miserably in the playoffs.

Failed in the postseason? He literally had a 125 passer rating

 

[DFWJC]

I guess we'll see how he does with the Chargers

we seem to be assuming the fandom here knows more about football than the Chargers FO and coaching staff




hey, maybe the change helps both teams.....

 

[dfense]

I always thought the comeback and button hooks were because of Dak's lack of ability to hit a receiver in stride consistently. He can't even anticipate the hooks and is late all the time with delivery.

 

[Pevansjr]

How so what if MM or the new OC is worse then Moore.. theres no way to know anything for sure. easily given the team game aspect of say other parts of the Offense that didn't show up to play in the 9er game

OL was not good at all..
Run game.
Skill players outside of Lamb
16 run plays total called and no use of Davis after pollard went down.
Diggs not making the big hit on kittles or the easy INT
schultz 2 mental mistles on the last real drive
Gallup not making and effort to run that out gave up on the pay allowing the defender to finish the route and get the INT. this is paramount to plays like Crayton made in the 2007 loss to NY..
Maher missed XP

you trying to tell me that none of the above could have contributed to 7 point loss to great defensive team?

so dak has to be perfect to win, that flawed way of looking at close loss.

I dont think anyone here think Moore sucks but Change was necessary, and he was the easiest one to make.

You sure got a lot more out of my post than what was in it.

I'm not joining sides on the stupid I hate Dak/Moore or I love Dak/Moore argument. You may want to go read the in game threads though if you believe people people don't think Moore sucks, because they're littered with such comments. As I've mentioned before, in my opinion I think it was time to move on, we've seen all we're going to out of this combo. The team can cut any player or fire any coach and I will sleep just fine and the sun will rise tomorrow, I don't get emotionally attached to players or coaches.

But...it seems to me what you're saying in your comments above, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's always someone else's fault, never Dak's. You're laying the groundwork for throwing MM and the new OC under the bus before he's even been hired if things don't improve or get worse.

 

[erod]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse, with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

Now that he has a legit quarterback, watch his playbook and playcalling expand dramatically.

 

[Reality]

Now that he has a legit quarterback, watch his playbook and playcalling expand dramatically.

I hope he does well regardless, but it will be interesting to see what he can do with a different group of players.

 

[WillieBeamen]

The Cowboys just HAD to move on from this…

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

I will agree if we see an offense that implements what you've noted, and the QB is able to execute it effectively. I'm also really curious to see what Kellen can do with Herbert. Next season will be very telling of who's to blame for our downfalls.

 

[Havic]

The Cowboys just HAD to move on from this…

And yet these stats never materialize past the divisional round. Why?

 

[WillieBeamen]

And yet these stats never materialize past the divisional round. Why?

So teams only play one side in the playoffs??


Good to know

 

[Captain-Crash]

The Cowboys just HAD to move on from this…

they couldn't get rid of the anchor, so jerry thought this would appease the hate. It won't.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse, with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

How can anyone expect an offense to function against the best of the best with Zeke Elliott as the featured back and a prime part of your offense? That is total and complete insanity. THIS WAS Moore's biggest failure as an OC.


Zeke was the lead back last year against the Niners. Pollard got 6 touches total. I think looking back we can see how laughable it was that anyone thought we could win that game with Zeke as the focal point.

THIS year it was more of a fluke with Pollard going down. But none the less the offense was doomed when Pollard went down.

And then we look at a team like the Eagles that blew out the Niners simply by running the ball with 3 different backs because their Oline was the best in the NFL. Hurts barely had to lift a finger. Passing for some 120 yards and 0 TD's.

Personally I am happy to see Moore go. But with Jerry you always have to worry that he will bring someone in worse. And this rumor that MM is going to be calling the plays seems troubling. Who's offense is he going to run? His old one? His old one updated? Moore's offense with tweaks? Who is the guy in the lab every night modifying, tweaking, and expanding the offense as the season goes along? MM?

And then do we make some lame OC hire because MM is going to call plays?

 

[Havic]

So teams only play one side in the playoffs??


Good to know

Defense was good both years.

 

[Big D]

David Carr did a video on the niner game. Something he said and pointed out was infuriating. He says this happens alot to the Cowboys, and he draws a line by the first down marker and shows the entire secondary except for 1 high safety is at or under the line he drew. You see just how easy Moore made it for the niners to be able to cover their routes

And when they successfully jump the route for the int all you hear is 'Dak sucks!'.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Defense was good both years.

Yah so great that they let the Niners run for 160 yards and 2 TD's last year. Couldnt pressure or sack Garrappollo.

Defense lost the game last year. Offense lost it this year.

 

[Havic]

Yah so great that they let the Niners run for 160 yards and 2 TD's last year. Couldnt pressure or sack Garrappollo.

Defense lost the game last year. Offense lost it this year.

Dak was 23/45 for 240 and a pick, you sure about that?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak was 23/45 for 240 and a pick, you sure about that?

You claimed the defense was great both last year and this year did you not?

 

[Havic]

You claimed the defense was great both last year and this year did you not?

The run defense was not, but the offense is what let us down 2 years in a row.