CFZ Why the Cowboys needed to move on from Moore

[TheMarathonContinues]

Romo threw 3 INTS vs Carolina in 2015. Carolina was mostly playing zone and fooled Romo by having a robber in zone coverage. The scheme does nothing to stress the defense so it's very easy to defend . Even against a 12 year vet who has seen everything.

Exactly. People are trying to revise history like the offense wasn’t stale with Romo. Romo took chicken **** and made salad out of it. But that will only get you so far.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How do you come to this conclusion after you read my post ?

You said his decision was not to come here to win. This was one of the best jobs in the market and had one of the best quarterbacks.

 

[blueblood70]

You sure got a lot more out of my post than what was in it.

I'm not joining sides on the stupid I hate Dak/Moore or I love Dak/Moore argument. You may want to go read the in game threads though if you believe people people don't think Moore sucks, because they're littered with such comments. As I've mentioned before, in my opinion I think it was time to move on, we've seen all we're going to out of this combo. The team can cut any player or fire any coach and I will sleep just fine and the sun will rise tomorrow, I don't get emotionally attached to players or coaches.

But...it seems to me what you're saying in your comments above, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's always someone else's fault, never Dak's. You're laying the groundwork for throwing MM and the new OC under the bus before he's even been hired if things don't improve or get worse.

Nope, didn't say that...

saying every game, play, or season have their own unique story on how it may have failed and why..

if they take a step back you must talk about why, not its say we made change at OC and now we are worse..ie 2020 why was that a bad season, well 17 injuries to key players but it was MM first season so he must have sucked right, he was worse than Garett and man we should have fired him straight away,

So Bruce Arians stepping down from HC is that why Tampa took a step back or was it who they lost in FA, injuries, OL never staying static or healthy etc etc

see there was more to the story then the record .. you simply say if we finished 8-9.9-8 that it instantly goes to the changing of the play callers or offense and i say,

how so , maybe we need to say , was it just gronk. same with the Rams what happened? ..i mean that one example, there ere many more but we cant simply start a debate on MM and blow it up because Mores gone and we took step back. what oif its the FO not bringing in more weapons on offense while losing more this offseason, maybe they don't cut zeke , let pollard walk , dont bring in another top RB , linemen or WR etc etc
what IF that why it appears MM offense is worse?? what our roster look like and how do we fair with injuries etc

 

[blueblood70]

Romo threw 3 INTS vs Carolina in 2015. Carolina was mostly playing zone and fooled Romo by having a robber in zone coverage. The scheme does nothing to stress the defense so it's very easy to defend . Even against a 12 year vet who has seen everything.

are you talking about the home game we were up 24 in the 4th and romo threw those INTs and we lost by 3?

i was there and the issue was Garret kept on throwing and 2 of those ints were tipped. thats why Moore is frustrating you cannot have 24 point lead and blow it by keep throwing the dang football. thats bad palycalling IMO ..that was heartbreaking loss for sure. Long can ride home with Lions fan in the same ride!!

Moore is that type of play caller and well we needed change for that reason along. see Jags and GB game. the OC put the ball in Jeaprdy and tips and weird bounces happen and that not all on the QB

 

[G2]

Oh so now we want to acknowledge Dak plays poorly against good teams?


Its one thing to play poorly against the good defenses, but its another when you look like the worst QB in the league…


Kellen’s route concepts arent the reason for the QB to throw most of the INTs he threw this year.


If someone wants to argue that Kellen had to go because the QB is unable to consistently play “big boy QB” then fine. But to blame him for what we saw against San Fran is insane

That’s your opinion. I’ve never heard anyone come out and say Dak isn’t coachable. And when Mike was looking for a job it was trash out there that had Mayfield and Daniel Jones. Wasn’t very many options out there to coach guys like Mahomes.

Because it's pretty stupid to suggest that.

 

[TwentyOne]

You said his decision was not to come here to win. This was one of the best jobs in the market and had one of the best quarterbacks.

So you come to the conclusion that Dak isnt coachable because Mike McCarthys reason to come here was primarily because of the money ?

I am facinated by this rationcination. Seriously you need to explain that please.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So you come to the conclusion that Dak isnt coachable because Mike McCarthys reason to come here was primarily because of the money ?

I am facinated by this rationcination. Seriously you need to explain that please.

“It is (another) reason for me to think that Dallas isnt very attractive to coaches that really want to win something. It’s more of a "final destination" for coaches who want to have a last good contract before retirement.”

 

[America's Cowboy]

I’ll also add that no one can really make many comments about the passing game or the QB (other than he should have taken the sack or thrown it away) simply by watching the game on TV.

When you watch some of the film breakdowns former professionals do and hear a HOF SB QB like Kurt Warner looking at plays and commenting, “That’s a bad decision by Dak, but I really have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with the routes on this play,” or “The design here is okay, but there’s no attention to detail. The receiver must get to that defenders outside shoulder; then he can keep going making it an easy throw for the QB, or if that other S drops down, he now has more room when cutting back. By stopping where he did, he made even the low outside throw too easy to be deflected.” Over and over and over, former QBs and OCs look at the film, love some designs, but too often can’t figure out what the play is trying to accomplish. Too often also talking about little adjustments that make plays work and help set up something else down the line.

It was time, past time for a change.

Excellent post and analysis! Thank you for this well thought out and explained post. It's why I can't agree or like those blaming the QB (or any QB) for the drastic failing(s) of the O-Coordinator and his terrible pass concepts and schemes. It's mind-boggling how so many don't understand or refuse to understand how routes, schemes, separation, concepts can affect a QB. If the QB were to simply throw the ball away or take a sack, these same people would complain the QB is afraid to just let it rip and take a chance...and visa/versa. It all starts off with proper concepts/schemes and better route running and designs. That's what Kurt Warner and other professional ex QBs are noticing right away.

 

[Robster8989]

Nice post.

What spoke volumes to me was the Warner vids. (and even the recent Carr vid).
An NFL HOF QB. (Warner).
I remember his break down of last years Niners playoff loss.
Warner showed we kept running ther same plays over and over even though they weren't working.
On one play the Niners were in prevent 4 deep zone and our 4 WRs all ran go routes, one into each zone.
Warner was like "you have to take what the D gives you".

After a loss in a game this year Warner showed a play that was simply poorly designed.
It was one where Gallup ran a go, and Zeke was in the flat. Warner said the key here is make this CB choose. Cover the WR on the deep out, and Zeke gets 10-15 yards easily. Cover the RB, and Gallup has a 15-20 yard gain on a deep out. But Gallup ran deep in, right to the S, so the CB covered Zeke and tackled him for a 2 yard loss. Warner said this is a simple design, yet the Cowboys seem like they don't understand fundamentals.
I'm probably nit picking but those Warner explanations spoke volumes to me.
Warner kept saying "we used to run this" or "everyone runs this" yet the Cowboys didn't run it correctly.
Just poor design and execution.

I also hate how long our plays take to develop. Watch Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers. Lot's of quick hits, no time for the DL to pressure. We run all these long developing, 5 step drops out of the gun, come back routes. We need more 3 steps and BOOM, and more commitment to the running game. We need to make it easier for Dak.

 

[Zman5]

are you talking about the home game we were up 24 in the 4th and romo threw those INTs and we lost by 3?

i was there and the issue was Garret kept on throwing and 2 of those ints were tipped. thats why Moore is frustrating you cannot have 24 point lead and blow it by keep throwing the dang football. thats bad palycalling IMO ..that was heartbreaking loss for sure. Long can ride home with Lions fan in the same ride!!

Moore is that type of play caller and well we needed change for that reason along. see Jags and GB game. the OC put the ball in Jeaprdy and tips and weird bounces happen and that not all on the QB

No. This is the 2015 Thanksgiving game where Romo got his shoulder broken 2nd time is that season by a blitzing LB. We lost 33-14.

 

[blueblood70]

No. This is the 2015 Thanksgiving game where Romo got his shoulder broken 2nd time is that season by a blitzing LB. We lost 33-14.

Oh well mine waas 2011 game at home..stll holds true

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spo...point-lead-lose-to-detroit-lions/61130164007/

 

[khiladi]

I’ll also add that no one can really make many comments about the passing game or the QB (other than he should have taken the sack or thrown it away) simply by watching the game on TV.

When you watch some of the film breakdowns former professionals do and hear a HOF SB QB like Kurt Warner looking at plays and commenting, “That’s a bad decision by Dak, but I really have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with the routes on this play,” or “The design here is okay, but there’s no attention to detail. The receiver must get to that defenders outside shoulder; then he can keep going making it an easy throw for the QB, or if that other S drops down, he now has more room when cutting back. By stopping where he did, he made even the low outside throw too easy to be deflected.” Over and over and over, former QBs and OCs look at the film, love some designs, but too often can’t figure out what the play is trying to accomplish. Too often also talking about little adjustments that make plays work and help set up something else down the line.

It was time, past time for a change.

This is the latest exaggeration by Dak-fans to absolve their QB from garbage play. Warner has done plenty of breakdowns where he emphasized Dak sucking and and Dak-zealots were basically crying about how Warner doesn't know what he's talking about. Questioning certain route concepts of Moore in certain situations doesn't mean Warner thinks Moore sucks. None of what Warner said absolves Dak in respect to Moore and you can find WAY MORE dissection of plays of Warner saying Dak shouldn't have thrown it, why is he still hitching and so on over and over again. This is all just a whole bunch of deflection for trash play by Dak.

 

[LatinMind]

And when they successfully jump the route for the int all you hear is 'Dak sucks!'.

Well there are times like that niners game where the dB jumped and dak still threw it when he had Elliot in the flat for probably 6 yrds.

But Gallup deserves some blame for just stopping the route instead of coming back on that comeback. You would think it was common sense. Hell just look where the ball was thrown, to spot that usually a wr is when they come back lol.

Still he could've seen the dB right on the route, which would've moved him to the check down. Which was Elliot in the flat, open

 

[jterrell]

Moore is a good OC but it was also probably time for a change in voice.
Landry's defense was legendary but played ou over time.
Norv's offense did the same.

When Mike started calling some plays and influencing the offense you rather knew Kellen was likely leaving....

This is about Mike becoming the primary offensive voice and he has a lot more skins on the wall than Kellen.

 

[LatinMind]

Moore is a good OC but it was also probably time for a change in voice.
Landry's defense was legendary but played ou over time.
Norv's offense did the same.

When Mike started calling some plays and influencing the offense you rather knew Kellen was likely leaving....

This is about Mike becoming the primary offensive voice and he has a lot more skins on the wall than Kellen.

I think they told him, this is it win your way or it's over.

 

[CATCH17]

Exactly. People are trying to revise history like the offense wasn’t stale with Romo. Romo took chicken **** and made salad out of it. But that will only get you so far.

And then people would point to stats to defend Garrett and the scheme.

 

[jterrell]

I think they told him, this is it win your way or it's over.

VERY possible.
Dallas isn't giving up two picks for Sean Payton but next year could def go for Payton or Dan Quinn if Mike can't earn his keep as play caller.

Quinn as HC with Bienemy or Kliff as OC would really work for me in 2024.
But I hope we win so much in 2023 that it never comes to fruition.

 

[LatinMind]

VERY possible.
Dallas isn't giving up two picks for Sean Payton but next year could def go for Payton or Dan Quinn if Mike can't earn his keep as play caller.

Quinn as HC with Bienemy or Kliff as OC would really work for me in 2024.
But I hope we win so much in 2023 that it never comes to fruition.

Payton new Denver coach

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And then people would point to stats to defend Garrett and the scheme.

Ok well anyone who defended Garrett are on some other drugs that I can’t really fathom.

 

[Sarge]

We’ll see what Moore does with a real quarterback.