Why the urge to get higher 1st round pic?

I agree but still, imagine if we had Calvin Johnson as our 3rd Wideout next season. T.O, Glenn, and CJ = The greatest trio of recievers in the history of mankind.
 
Doing an insane trade to move up into the top 5 would be ********. I don't see what the big deal is though if Peterson is still on the board at 10 and if the price is right, we make a move. We're in a good position to do that kind of deal, not really having any major needs. Our 1st + 2nd + JJ or something like that to move up to 10 to grab AP is not really sacrificing the future of the team. AP isn't a must have, but if he manages to slip to the 10 range, which I think he will especially after that texans trade with atlanta, we should at least make an attempt to get something done.

AP as opposed to a good WR/CB in the first + a good WR/CB in the 2nd is what would be the tradeoff pretty much. It's not even remotely close to suicidal.
 
Jake0;1430421 said:
Doing an insane trade to move up into the top 5 would be ********. I don't see what the big deal is though if Peterson is still on the board at 10 and if the price is right, we make a move. We're in a good position to do that kind of deal, not really having any major needs. Our 1st + 2nd + JJ or something like that to move up to 10 to grab AP is not really sacrificing the future of the team. AP isn't a must have, but if he manages to slip to the 10 range, which I think he will especially after that texans trade with atlanta, we should at least make an attempt to get something done.

AP as opposed to a good WR/CB in the first + a good WR/CB in the 2nd is what would be the tradeoff pretty much. It's not even remotely close to suicidal.

That's all I'm saying. And it isn't just a strategy for this year, as far as I'm concerned. If we're in a similar position and a guy that is a dynamic player falls down some and our scouts really like him... then use that opportunity to add a star to your squad.

Like the year we got Ware. I really wanted us to move up from 20 to 12 and take Merriman as well to go along with Ware. Had we done that (Yes I said it during the draft before San Diego picked Merriman) we would've been set at the critical OLB positions in our 3-4 for years to come. It would have cost us Spears and maybe Burnett as a 2nd rounder and maybe even Barber III. Still, the chance to add a dynamic player like Merriman to go along with a dynamic player in Ware would've been worth it. Spears would be easy to replace in any draft. Burnett and Barber too. I like all three of them... but they aren't game changers like Merriman.

That would've been some OLB combo, and the middling players that we picked with the picks we saved by not doing the draft don't all add up to what Merriman would mean opposite Ware.

That's just one example... but moving up to get really good prospects isn't the evil option that many make it out to be. Just like Emmitt, Michael and Troy weren't the whole early 90's Dallas team... but they were what put us over the hump and made us into a dynasty.

Great players make great teams and if there is a chance to add someone who Ireland thinks could be great, then we need to do it IMO.
 
I think we ARE only a player away from being a very, very good football team.
Top 3 in the NFL good.

I also think that some of the talent at the top of the draft this year is potentially better than many drafts have been recently or will be for some time.

Finally, how often is a team in position to draft almost any position because they have no real pressing needs anywhere?
Not often so if you are going to make a push to trade up, you do it in our current position, IMO.
 
AsthmaField;1430414 said:
Much like when we moved up from 21 to 17 to get Emmitt Smith.
That pick was traded down twice prior to us moving up to get Emmitt. Don't revise history.
 
Spectre;1430539 said:
I think we ARE only a player away from being a very, very good football team.
Top 3 in the NFL good.

I also think that some of the talent at the top of the draft this year is potentially better than many drafts have been recently or will be for some time.

Finally, how often is a team in position to draft almost any position because they have no real pressing needs anywhere?
Not often so if you are going to make a push to trade up, you do it in our current position, IMO.


We have no real pressing needs? really?

Lets see...

DB - Other than Newman at Corner we are suspect

FS - Free Safety is a problem.

SS - Strong Safety (according to some is a problem) personally I think Roy will be fine.

DE - we need more pressure on QB. Ware cant do it alone.

OL - we still need help on o-line. We have not seen this unit together yet and need good depth

DL - need a good nose tackle

WR - have to get best one available in whichever round we choose to do so

so yeah... no pressing needs...:rolleyes:
 
YoMick;1430668 said:
We have no real pressing needs? really?

Lets see...

DB - Other than Newman at Corner we are suspect
Henry, Glenn, and Newman are a great group of CBs. Hardly a "need" position. Suspect? Maybe. But suspect doesn't cry "need".

FS - Free Safety is a problem.
I'll somewhat give you this one but if you think a rookie from this draft is gonna come in immediately and change the fate of the FS position then point me to the Ed Reed of the 2007 draft and I'll listen. Otherwise, I'm confident that the Phillips 3-4 will provide a lot more QB pressure resulting in better DB performance across the board..

SS - Strong Safety (according to some is a problem) personally I think Roy will be fine.
We have a 1st round pick currently starting and is regarded by many as one of the top in the league. If this is a pressing need then the Steelers need a QB and the Bucs need a RB.

DE - we need more pressure on QB. Ware cant do it alone.
I never said we didn't need any help at all. But the DE position is a 3-4 is never going to be glorious and what we have currently is sufficient to support the playmakers on defense. Not a pressing need.

OL - we still need help on o-line. We have not seen this unit together yet and need good depth
Depth is the exact opposite of a pressing need. It's depth. No one drafts depth in the first round and considers it a pressing need.

DL - need a good nose tackle
Sure. But we have one and he's not losing his job to anyone anytime soon. We do need a backup however but there are very few NT in this draft and odds are, some of the best will be selected in later rounds.

WR - have to get best one available in whichever round we choose to do so
Exactly. Doesn't every team need to draft the best one available no matter who/when they choose? That reaffirms the notion that we don't need the position enough to draft frivolously... we can wait for BPA.
Glenn and T.O. are one of the best WR tandems in the NFL. And Crayton is easily one of the best #3 guys in the league. Hurd and Rector both look to be potentially as good as many draftees will but with a little exp under their belts now. I'd love to see a WR get drafted by Dallas early on this year but it's not a pressing need because whoever we take isn't starting over Glenn or T.O. this year.

so yeah... no pressing needs...:rolleyes:
so yeah... no pressing needs...:cool:

I didn't say we don't need any help, anywhere. I just said we don't really have a pressing need. There's always a "need" here or there but our current roster is about as good as it gets in terms of having talent spread across the team adequately with an average or better starter at most all positions.
 
big dog cowboy;1430554 said:
That pick was traded down twice prior to us moving up to get Emmitt. Don't revise history.


Not trying to revise history... I honestly don't remember it that way. The Cowboys first pick had been used to take Steve Walsh QB from Miami. The 21st pick was Minnesota's but they had traded it to Dallas for H. Walker. Dallas then traded up from 21st to 17th to take Emmitt Smith.

Here's a link to the Dallas draft for 1990 and there is no mention of moving down to 21 before moving back up to 17th.

http://www.cowboysplus.com/classic/recordbook/draft/1990/index.html

Perhaps I can't remember it and the Dallas Morning news left it off... but I don't think so. If you have information showing they did trade back before trading up, then let me see it. I'd like to know for sure.
 

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