Why Ware does not take the heat that Romo does

[OhSnap]

I don't get it, they have won zip since he has been here. One of the greatest pass rushers ever and has not won jack.

I don't think he needs to catch flack. He's great but I just never see him show up on 3rd down like a Haley or a White, may be my memory but other great DT's and DE's know how to kill a drive. Everbody knows the QB get's all the credit and all the blame even though Romos critics have been bogus at times but Ware is startin to get looked at a little harder these days. But now I gotta rethink everything cause Ware has rarely had a secondary to help get the benefit out of the 2nd and longs he's put on other teams.

 

[Falcon554]

Trust me this is not about Romo, its about this so called STAR that has rarely taken over a game like you would see LT do. Romo takes the blame for everything that is wrong on this team, while Ware gets very little. Even last night all I heard was how Ware is the one you have to pay attention to on the boys D. Really the man has done almost nothing all year long.

 

[Risen Star]

I was not aware pass rushers touched the football each and every down with a chance to score points.

Yeah, I was wondering if this was serious.

Why is a DE not held to the same standards as a QB?

 

[Risen Star]

I have to say, I am amazed at how little slack a lot of fans are giving Ware. I would have never guessed so many would want to get rid of him so soon. We're talking about a HOF and ROH player here. You have to go back a whopping calendar year for his last double digit sack season and back to his rookie year for the only other time that occurred.

He's 31, not 40. He's had a couple of injury plagued years and still managed 17.5 sacks during it.

I'm not talking about the guys who want to rework his contract and get him at a lower number. It's the people announcing he's done and wanting to release him. Really? The second this guy stopped cranking out double digit sack seasons every year he no longer has any value for a football team? DeMarcus Ware? What?

And they say I'm negative.

 

[gimmesix]

I'd argue that Witten is under some type of immunity. He ain't won anything as well and got a pass with the Cabo trip.

Sometimes individual players are better than the sum of the team's parts.

Threads calling out the ones who have been are just ignorant.

The focus doesn't need to be on the careers Dallas has wasted, it needs to be on the failure of team management and coaches to take advantage of these years when Dallas has had a few really special players.

 

[dstovall5]

Because Ware is loved by the media, so he gets a free pass. Also because he's not the QB. Ware has been down right terrible the past 2 years, at least compared to his pay.

 

[Redball Express]

I don't get it, they have won zip since he has been here. One of the greatest pass rushers ever and has not won jack.

Reggie White had a similar experience in his career while in Philly.

Maybe Ware needs to also go to another team to restart his career.

I'm all for it.

He is not deserving of the big contract he has.

He's been a player where defenses and players were drafted and signed just to complement his skill sets.

No other Franchise would have invested so much into helping him be the centerpiece he has been..

..good luck in another city coming up with that plus..

..another $10mil/yr for your kitty.

See ya, DeMarcus..

mister 'I'm Not Taking a pay cut '

 

[Cmac]

Sometimes individual players are better than the sum of the team's parts.

Threads calling out the ones who have been are just ignorant.

The focus doesn't need to be on the careers Dallas has wasted, it needs to be on the failure of team management and coaches to take advantage of these years when Dallas has had a few really special players.

Thanks for being enlightening....quess that philosophy would take T.O. (speaking) and Marion Barber (injured) off the hook from past threads that were similar.

Appreciate it.

 

[visionary]

take the 12 million demarcus is making and give those to greg hardy if carolina is crazy enough to not franchise him

 

[Nova]

Justin Tuck single-handedly wrecked the Patriots offense and played like a monster the year they upset them bamas. You ain't ever seen that type of play from Ware. At least Tuck got injuries with a SB to show for it.

This is incorrect, my friend.

Tuck always had a great supporting cast with Osi and Strahan in 2007, and then Osi and JPP in 2011.

Tuck actually didn't receive much attention from the Pats because of the 2 guys mentioned. He actually wasn't even a starter that year.

And then in 2011, his snaps were limited and the way he generated pressure was because of New York's "NASCAR" packaged where Fewell had Tuck working as a DT to take advantage of a speed mismatch on obvious passing downs.

He got plenty of help.

 

[Picksix]

I have to say, I am amazed at how little slack a lot of fans are giving Ware. I would have never guessed so many would want to get rid of him so soon. We're talking about a HOF and ROH player here. You have to go back a whopping calendar year for his last double digit sack season and back to his rookie year for the only other time that occurred.

He's 31, not 40. He's had a couple of injury plagued years and still managed 17.5 sacks during it.

I'm not talking about the guys who want to rework his contract and get him at a lower number. It's the people announcing he's done and wanting to release him. Really? The second this guy stopped cranking out double digit sack seasons every year he no longer has any value for a football team? DeMarcus Ware? What?

And they say I'm negative.

I agree with your take, but haven't you been saying he should part of a player overhaul? Personally, I'm not set on running him out of here, but from a cap standpoint, his production doesn't meet his cost, so I don't know how we keep him without hurting the team.

 

[Nova]

So then where are these sacks or big plays when the team needed him most.

How many times have you wished for him to make that play only to watch him get blocked out of the play.

I'll have to search for it again, but the sacks and pressures are there in big moments. However, they are sometimes squandered by the team's effort overall.

A good example of such would be the 2011 season finale against the Giants. Roughly about 6 minutes left in the game, Dallas has crawled its way back to 21-14 after being down 21-0, the Giants have first and goal and a TD seals the game.

1st & goal: Ware pressures and delivers a blow on Manning. Eli forces a bad pass to the back of the end zone for Cruz. [incomplete]
2nd & goal: Ware sacks Eli
3rd & Goal: Ware and Spencer force Eli to step up, tuck and run.

The Cowboys, largely due to Ware are able to keep the game within reason, force the FG and the Cowboys are only down 24-14 with 5:45 left to play.

Cowboys get the ball back aaaand...

T.Romo sacked at DAL 19 for -3 yards (C.Canty).
2nd and 13 at DAL 19(No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Romo pass incomplete short left to M.Austin.
3rd and 13 at DAL 19(Shotgun) T.Romo pass incomplete short left to F.Jones.
4th and 13 at DAL 19C.Jones punts 26 yards to DAL 45, Center-L.Ladouceur, out of bounds.



A lot of his efforts are all for not when ultimately the team doesn't get it done.

 

[Nova]

Not this year or last year. Not even close. Not even top 25 this year.

Bit of hyperbole there.

He was pretty bad this year, but I don't think he was that bad.

Obviously stats don't tell the whole story (for example, they don't take into account Double Teams, chip blocks, stunts, etc), but Ware still graded out 8th among active 4-3 DEs by PFF, because while he was underwhelming at rushing the passer he played the run very well this year.

And as far as pass rushing efficiency goes, he was ranked 7th among 37 4-3 DEs in the category , 14th out of 63 DEs+3-4 OLBs. [qualifier: players that have taken 50% of total defensive snaps for their team]

 

[Risen Star]

I agree with your take, but haven't you been saying he should part of a player overhaul? Personally, I'm not set on running him out of here, but from a cap standpoint, his production doesn't meet his cost, so I don't know how we keep him without hurting the team.

Yeah, I'm for completely blowing up this core and starting over. Knowing I'm letting go of players who can still play.

But most people want to compete next year. They don't want a rebuild. So to read that and then see they want to release Ware shocks me. I've read multiple people calling him "done". I'd have never guessed this fan base would turn on him so quickly.

 

[Future]

Because Ware is not the QB.

So fundamentally simple, it gets overlooked.

Having said that, I think Ware takes a fair amount of criticism from at least this board, myself included.

 

[Future]

Yeah, I'm for completely blowing up this core and starting over. Knowing I'm letting go of players who can still play.

But most people want to compete next year. They don't want a rebuild. So to read that and then see they want to release Ware shocks me. I've read multiple people calling him "done". I'd have never guessed this fan base would turn on him so quickly.

You could get rid of Ware, Austin, Lee, and Witten, and not miss a beat.

 

[Risen Star]

You could get rid of Ware, Austin, Lee, and Witten, and not miss a beat.

If the object is to field the most competitive defense you can next year you can not get rid of Ware or Lee. To cavalierly cast aside your only legitimate edge rusher is foolish. It reeks of frustrated fan talk.

 

[Picksix]

Yeah, I'm for completely blowing up this core and starting over. Knowing I'm letting go of players who can still play.

But most people want to compete next year. They don't want a rebuild. So to read that and then see they want to release Ware shocks me. I've read multiple people calling him "done". I'd have never guessed this fan base would turn on him so quickly.

Well,we're a fickle bunch, and our collective faith has waned.

 

[Future]

If the object is to field the most competitive defense you can next year you can not get rid of Ware or Lee. To cavalierly cast aside your only legitimate edge rusher is foolish. It reeks of frustrated fan talk.

Which one of Ware's 6.5 sacks made him legitimate? And the idea of cavalierly casting him aside means making room for signing someone else who can match production or open the door for a young guy. Heck, Crawford and Bass could probably each get you the same amount of sacks.

This was one of the worst defenses in NFL history, you could replace all 11 guys and get the same production. I love Lee as much as anybody, and he's tremendous, but if you can't stay on the field, and the defense still sucks with you on it, then how is he irreplaceable?

And yes, I am frustrated. Frustrated that guys like Ware and Austin have come up small in the biggest moments for their entire career. Frustrated with injuries and tragic coaching mistakes. With Romo making bad plays and Murray running out of bounds. I'm frustrated with the fact that I've been patient with this team, thinking that 07 was anything more than a flash in the pan...an anomaly.

Honestly, I woudln't mind keeping Romo, Tyron, Fred and Dez and letting everyone else go. The team could just as easily go 8-8 with 40-something new players.

 

[FLcowboy]

Because has been the best player at his position, and Tony hasn't.

Ware might have been close to the best player at his position, maybe, but outside linebacker standards of performance aren't nearly as high as a quarterback's. Both positions impact won-lost records, but rarely if never have I seen an outside linebackers held accountable for won-lost records. Romo is held accountable for team records in December. Ware? Never.