Why we may be further away than some fans think

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wileedog said:
And we know they don't how?

They were in every single game this year except the Washington fiasco (and arguably the Rams, but who cares). This team got punched early in multiple games and climbed back in it.




*yawn*


I couldn't disagree more.

Every single team in the playoffs except the Giants and NE were in the top 10 in defense. There is no quicker way to turn around a team.

And I'm not sure I even agree with you that offenses take longer to fix.


Guess what, the FA moves have been pretty on par with other teams too. FA is hit or miss.



Wow you're right.

Its a much, much better idea to go to a spread offense and throw the ball around with a craptastic offensive line and immobile QB.

You nailed that one.

(BTW, anyone else see the irony here of a unabashed Bledsoe critic being unhappy that we didn't throw the ball more?)



Well, good news for Peterman and Johnson then.


See above about the fixing the defense first thing.


Read: i don't have time to make up bad crap about *everybody*


And a lot of teams are going to get worse next year.

Its the way the whole thing works.

And it has nothing to do with whether we improve as a team or not.


Well why don't we wait and see what we do this offseason before writing obituaries then, hmmm?

dude, you wasted your time
 

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Zaxor said:
First off attitude...

You have to want it... you got to burn inside with it...


We have the oldest set of WR's and QB in the NFL...Glenn held up well but it has not been his forte to complete an NFL season so it shouldn't be counted on again..Key has had surgery after every season he has played here, I just don't see how its not going to effect him..If we draft Wr's you have to atleast allow 3 yrs for development...

Besides OT and PK, I think these are legit concerns.

I would be more concerned with attitude if we had layed an egg in Carolina as well. But even given that win, I have no idea how we come out flat with the division on the line at NY and especially with everything on the line in Washington against a team we should've been up for after what happened the first go around. I'm not too concerend with the Rams game. I guess it would've been good to see these guys flying around even though they knew it was meaningless. But it would've been hard to be fired up knowing your season ended right before kickoff.

As for the QB and WR situation, I totally agree. Even if we have Bledsoe starting in '06, after three years here BP should've had someone in place now behind him who could be viewed as a legit replacement. And the same thing could be said at WR. Key and Glenn have done better than expected, but I don't see Crayton as being more than a #3 guy. We really need to be thinking about more than just right this second. And even if we are just thinking about the absolute present, I'm not sure Bledsoe, Key and Glenn will be enough. As a short term solution, fine. But we're entering BP's 4th season and still havene't addressed either area for the long term.
 

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Bach said:
Those, imo, are our two biggest needs. But I'm not sure if that's the proper way to address them. A rookie OT and an idiot kicker might not get er done.

I'm not opposed to drafting an OT early, but I'm not sure one will help us right away. I obviously think a 1st round OT would be much better than a rookie 6th round OT, but from what I've read, I'm not sure BP and Jerry want to risk that spot on a rookie.

No, Mr. Parcells is not that big on taking Tackles in the 1st Round. He favors taking defensive players.

If you think about it, once Flozell Adams went down, what did we do? We ended up having Torrin Tucker and Rob Petitti out on the field at the same time. You ended up having to protect both of those Tackles and the 2nd Giants Game is the very best example of how that can literally destroy and offense, especially if you go to the very extreme like we did.

Check this out.

You have Flozell Adams, Larry Allen, Al Johnson, Marco Rivera and a Rooke Tackle like Marcus McNeil or Jonathan Scott.

Most teams cant afford to have studs at every position on the line, you are going to have problem areas like Al Johnson and Marco Rivera (who the jury is still out on anyway).

The 1st Round Tackle cant be possibly worst than Petitti. At worst you have to help him out maybe the 1st half of the season.

This allows you to:

--Let Jason Witten go back to playing Tight End and scaring the absolute crap out of defenses.

--Allows Bledsoe more protection

--Allows Terry Glenn to get deeper on his routes

--Allows Keyshawn Johnson a little bit more time to get some separation and run deeper out routes and patters over the middle

--Allows Parcells to become more aggressive in the Passing Game

--Should provide some better run blocking, which that is what Marcus Mcneil is extremely good at, he is the perfect solution

Of course, for brevity, I wont get into all the things the above would do for the defense.

And with a Kicker like Vanderjact that was 14/15 in the Playoffs, I believe for his career, it would allow Parcells to play his type of football, which most of the time means the games will be close.

Man, you get Vanderjact and Marcus Mcneil in here, I have to think they are good for maybe 1-3 Games, going on what happened last year.

- Mike G.
 

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mickgreen58 said:
No, Mr. Parcells is not that big on taking Tackles in the 1st Round. He favors taking defensive players.

If you think about it, once Flozell Adams went down, what did we do? We ended up having Torrin Tucker and Rob Petitti out on the field at the same time. You ended up having to protect both of those Tackles and the 2nd Giants Game is the very best example of how that can literally destroy and offense, especially if you go to the very extreme like we did.

Check this out.

You have Flozell Adams, Larry Allen, Al Johnson, Marco Rivera and a Rooke Tackle like Marcus McNeil or Jonathan Scott.

Most teams cant afford to have studs at every position on the line, you are going to have problem areas like Al Johnson and Marco Rivera (who the jury is still out on anyway).

The 1st Round Tackle cant be possibly worst than Petitti. At worst you have to help him out maybe the 1st half of the season.

This allows you to:

--Let Jason Witten go back to playing Tight End and scaring the absolute crap out of defenses.

--Allows Bledsoe more protection

--Allows Terry Glenn to get deeper on his routes

--Allows Keyshawn Johnson a little bit more time to get some separation and run deeper out routes and patters over the middle

--Allows Parcells to become more aggressive in the Passing Game

--Should provide some better run blocking, which that is what Marcus Mcneil is extremely good at, he is the perfect solution

Of course, for brevity, I wont get into all the things the above would do for the defense.

And with a Kicker like Vanderjact that was 14/15 in the Playoffs, I believe for his career, it would allow Parcells to play his type of football, which most of the time means the games will be close.

Man, you get Vanderjact and Marcus Mcneil in here, I have to think they are good for maybe 1-3 Games, going on what happened last year.

- Mike G.


But who is to say the rookie OT will be ready to start opening day? Who is to say he wont suck worse than Pettiti his rookie year? Then we are right back where we started. that is why IMO we will get a FA RT and draft depth later
 

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The one good point Zaxor made was about leaders. Who are the leaders on this team?

Its filled with a bunch of high character guys that certainly don't see very vocal or fiery on the field.

Hard to take Key too seriously when he is yelling and screaming.

It'd be nice to have some natural leader that the team rallies around.
 

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BigDFan5 said:
But who is to say the rookie OT will be ready to start opening day? Who is to say he wont suck worse than Pettiti his rookie year? Then we are right back where we started. that is why IMO we will get a FA RT and draft depth later

Go back and take a look at the context of what I was writing.

It's all hypothetical, best case scenario.

Anybody you take in the Draft, Round 1 all the way down to Mr. Irrelevant is a crap shoot.

We have brought guys in here like Marco Rivera and Ryan Young. And yes, we have drafted lineman as well.

This draft is a draft for those teams that really need to shore up the Tackle position. There are 2-3 Guys that most seem to be very high on.

Heck, will they work out, who the hell knows. But that is the very nature of the draft, taking a risk.

The offense has to be addressed at some point. The most glaring needs on this team was Tackle, Kicker and probably Safety or Outside Linebacker.

There are going to be some good Tackles at 18, so why on earth wouldnt you pick one?

- Mike G.
 

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mickgreen58 said:
No, Mr. Parcells is not that big on taking Tackles in the 1st Round. He favors taking defensive players.

Check this out.

You have Flozell Adams, Larry Allen, Al Johnson, Marco Rivera and a Rooke Tackle like Marcus McNeil or Jonathan Scott.

And with a Kicker like Vanderjact that was 14/15 in the Playoffs, I believe for his career, it would allow Parcells to play his type of football, which most of the time means the games will be close.

Man, you get Vanderjact and Marcus Mcneil in here, I have to think they are good for maybe 1-3 Games, going on what happened last year.

- Mike G.

Hey, I'm not opposed to taking an OT in the first. Now, I don't want to see us reach for one and bypass better talent, but if one is among the BPA at #18 I'd do it in a heartbeat. I've seen some names bandied around of guys we may take in FA and I really don't want to see us collect any more 32, 34, 35 year old OL. We need to get some heavy duty young horses.

Also, there's no doubt the loss of Flo was huge. He was vastly underrated. I'd like to see him come back 100% and then play with an attitude of having something to prove.

As for Vanderjact, I was joking about the idiot kicker thing. He would be a huge upgrade over what we have. Even Vinateri missed a FG this past weekend.

We also really need a good solid FS and quality young WR.
 

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superpunk said:
It's fine to not like Bledsoe. Hell, I don't really like him. Some people just have nothing good to say about anything.

Ok, I see that point. But in Zaxor's case, I don't believe he has been negative on everything cowboys. I know a few you can say that about though. But I get your point.
 

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junk said:
Hard to take Key too seriously when he is yelling and screaming.

It'd be nice to have some natural leader that the team rallies around.

Had to love it when he felt the need to get on Rob Petitti or the kicker when they mess up

But....

When he fumbled during the Rams game, decided to go to the sidelines and start yelling at everybody and of course, Bill "tough love" Parcells had to tell him to Shud-up about 2 million times...
 

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Bach said:
Hey, I'm not opposed to taking an OT in the first. Now, I don't want to see us reach for one and bypass better talent, but if one is among the BPA at #18 I'd do it in a heartbeat. I've seen some names bandied around of guys we may take in FA and I really don't want to see us collect any more 32, 34, 35 year old OL. We need to get some heavy duty young horses.

Also, there's no doubt the loss of Flo was huge. He was vastly underrated. I'd like to see him come back 100% and then play with an attitude of having something to prove.

As for Vanderjact, I was joking about the idiot kicker thing. He would be a huge upgrade over what we have. Even Vinateri missed a FG this past weekend.

We also really need a good solid FS and quality young WR.

Yeah, unfortunately this is a weak draft for Wide Receivers but Mel Kiper, in his Chat wrap up said the 2007 Draft has the potential to be loaded with extremely gifted receivers.

I still felt this was a Playoff team, but adding a Kicker and a Top Flight Tackle who pans out, one would really have to consider the Cowboys as one of the favorites to get into the Post Season in 2006.
 

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Have you ever thought of this Zaxor? Maybe we're just not good enough yet.

You can have all the fight and whatever you want, but the fact is, we need a few more pieces and I think the FO knows this. I don't think they need to log onto the zone to figure it out.

And you must be sippin on some serious **** back in Germany to think that you build an offense first. A dominating defense with a good offense will win super bowls every day, sunday thru saturday, may day, yesterday, and the day after. Remember that.
 

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Alexander said:
Sorry I laughed. Yes, I am juvenile at times.
Hey Alexander, I'm 51 and I laughed when I read it for the first time !!
 

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BigDFan5 said:
But who is to say the rookie OT will be ready to start opening day? Who is to say he wont suck worse than Pettiti his rookie year? Then we are right back where we started. that is why IMO we will get a FA RT and draft depth later

first round pick vs. sixth round pick.....hmmmm?
 

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djdoug said:
Ryan Leaf = 1st round pick
Tom Brady=6th round pick
Hmmmmmmmmm...........................


All the guy is saying that if you are an odds man, 1st Rounders generally work out alot better than 6th Rounders.

- Mike G.
 

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djdoug said:
Ryan Leaf = 1st round pick
Tom Brady=6th round pick
Hmmmmmmmmm...........................

You are right. Let's try drafting our next QB let alone any other key player in later rounds since late round players have statistically been shown to outperform their early round counterparts.
 
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