why would people be upset w/ Michael Griffin?

[Bob Sacamano]

4.4 40
1.49 10-yard dash
2.57 20-yard dash
4.10 short-shuttle-better than Merriweather, Landry and Nelson's times
6.6 3-cone drille-also better than those 3
10' long jump
39 1/2" vertical
16 reps of 225
can play both S positions
exceptional in coverage
big-hitter
covers alot of ground
7 INTs his final 2 years

not advocating him for our pick at 22, but I saw a couple of people say they would be pretty upset if he were our pick, why?

 

[dbair1967]

did you watch him play any?

the guy cant cover a lick

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

did you watch him play any?

the guy cant cover a lick

David

yes, I have, and even if I haven't, I sure wouldn't take your word for it

 

[tomson75]

Those stats are misleading. Meriweather is a FS that is capable of playing the slot or even sliding to corner in a pinch. Griffin is a FS that is capable of playing SS...some say that he's more suited there.

We don't need anymore of the later. IMO.

He'd be a fantastic special teamer though...I just don't want a ST player at 22.

 

[Gaede]

what was texas's pass defense again?

you'd think with two first rounders they would've been top notch, but it's just the opposite...I can't remember the stats on that one though

 

[mschmidt64]

did you watch him play any?

the guy cant cover a lick

David

Yeah, he's not a real coverage safety.

He's ok maybe, but his bread and butter is elsewhere.

Meriweather is ten times better for what we need.

Plus, Griffin is really more of a second round prospect.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

what was texas's pass defense again?

:laugh2: the safety is the last line of defense, they aren't supposed to shut down opposing team's passing games, and the '05 pass D was purrty good for what it's worth

 

[mschmidt64]

:laugh2: the safety is the last line of defense, they aren't supposed to shut down opposing team's passing games, and the '05 pass D was purrty good

Did you really want to know, or are you going to make an excuse every time somebody gives a valid reason?

Griffin is not a coverage safety. Tons of people realize this. Hence why we'd all be "pretty upset" if he's the pick.

 

[Roughneck]

did you watch him play any?

the guy cant cover a lick

David

Me being a diehard Texas fan, I watched every single Longhorn game this year and have gotten a great look at watching Michael play for the past three years.

The truth is that he, like many Longhorns, was continually put into some bad positions last years when the Co-Defensive Coordinators (Chizik & Akina) kept butting heads. Case-in-point, the Kansas State Game last year when the secondary was made to look like burnt toast over and over again.

That being said, he also put himself in bad positions many a times last year and has fallen in love with the big hit so much that his coverage skills have severely suffered because of it. I love the kid and am proud to call him a Longhorn but no Griffin at #22.

 

[Gaede]

:laugh2: the safety is the last line of defense, they aren't supposed to shut down opposing team's passing games, and the '05 pass D was purrty good for what it's worth

I'm just curious as to the numbers. they're about as relevant as his 40 time and his broad jump

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Those stats are misleading. Meriweather is a FS that is capable of playing the slot or even sliding to corner in a pinch. Griffin is a FS that is capable of playing SS...some say that he's more suited there.

We don't need anymore of the later. IMO.

He'd be a fantastic special teamer though...I just don't want a ST player at 22.

Yeah, he's not a real coverage safety.

He's ok maybe, but his bread and butter is elsewhere.

Meriweather is ten times better for what we need.

Plus, Griffin is really more of a second round prospect.

all I'm saying is there are worse prospects at 22 than Griffin, but w/ saying that, he's not even on my radar, I would rather go Meachem, Staley or Bowe before anyone else

 

[mschmidt64]

all I'm saying is there are worse prospects at 22 than Griffin

Yeah, there are about 200+ prospects that are worse at 22 than Griffin.

But there are about 30 who are better.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Did you really want to know, or are you going to make an excuse every time somebody gives a valid reason?

there are more valid reasons than a team's pass D, since if you're relying on your safety for your pass-D to do well, then you have some serious problems

Griffin is not a coverage safety. Tons of people realize this. Hence why we'd all be "pretty upset" if he's the pick.

so Griffin will never be able to cover?

 

[superpunk]

Because he sucked hairy butters chin balls, Bob.

Not a free safety prospect.

 

[cobra]

did you watch him play any?

the guy cant cover a lick

David

David: I think you are right with most things you say here, but I think you missed the boat on that call. I watched him play some, and he seemed to be good in coverage to me.

Thinking that I might have missed something, I read a couple profiles of him at different sites. I thought the one at nfldraftcountdown to be relatively interesting:

Very smooth and athletic with great speed...Tough, physical, aggressive and a big hitter...Covers a lot of ground and has a burst to close...Exceptional in coverage and has fluid hips...Supports the run well...A playmaker with good leaping ability and ball skills...Motor is always running...Productive and has a lot of experience against top competition...Intangibles are top-notch...An outstanding kick blocker and special teamer who could carve out a career in the NFL on that ability alone.

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http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/michaelgriffin.html

Now I'm not saying that is the final answer and that you are wrong, but it does confirm for me what I thought I saw on the field.

So I am curious: where are you getting that he "can't cover a lick"?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, there are about 200+ prospects that are worse at 22 than Griffin.

But there are about 30 who are better.

cool, you're totally against it, I'm intrigued, he has the burst and agility to maybe cover well w/ the proper teaching

 

[mschmidt64]

so Griffin will never be able to cover?

He's not going to turn into something radically different in the NFL than he was in college, no.

And in college, the things he demonstrated the most proficiency at aren't the things we want of a FS who can free up Roy.

At best, Griffin is a Hamlin-style FS. Not a ballhawk, not a centerfielder, not a guy who can line up 1-on-1 with WRs, and not a guy who can cover a lot of ground to cover Roy's arse.

You are too busy asking "Why can't he?" rather than asking "Show me why he CAN."

Which basically belies the truth that you like the player and don't care what we have to say about him. So I'm wondering why you really asked.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's not going to turn into something radically different in the NFL than he was in college, no.

I find that hard to believe when I've witnessed Ware come from being a small-school DE to being able to cover and play the run and pass like an NFL LB

 

[The30YardSlant]

4.4 40
1.49 10-yard dash
2.57 20-yard dash
4.10 short-shuttle-better than Merriweather, Landry and Nelson's times
6.6 3-cone drille-also better than those 3
10' long jump
39 1/2" vertical
16 reps of 225
can play both S positions
exceptional in coverage
big-hitter
covers alot of ground
7 INTs his final 2 years

not advocating him for our pick at 22, but I saw a couple of people say they would be pretty upset if he were our pick, why?

He is worse in coverage than RW and doesnt hit nearly as hard

I would be HORRIBLY depressed if we picked him

 

[mschmidt64]

I find that hard to believe when I've witnessed Ware come from being a small-school DE to being able to cover and play the run and pass like an NFL LB

Ware already had the ability to do those things. Just because he wasn't asked to do them in college didn't mean he couldn't.

Griffin doesn't have the ability to be a centerfielder.