Wide Receiver help

[Alexander]

That is not true at all.....many teams add a vet or two to get that last step towards going all the way

Our WRs are compartmentalized, each does a role. A veteran that does not play special teams has no chance to make the roster, so they aren't going to bother.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I wouldn't give either a new deal.....we already wasted 10m on Beasely and we need to get a real burner to play opposite of Dez......Witten moves like an iceberg...we need some top-end, sideline to sideline deep speed

Butler ran a 4.36 40'

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If his progress is stopped by a 12 year veteran then his path is pretty narrow

LOL.... Every time I read this "hold progress up" thing, I think something very similar. The truth of the matter is that if you are good enough to break into the starting lineup, then age is not an inhibitor. If you are good enough to back up, then youth is actually a plus. If you have enough talent to develop, then you are going to make this team or somebody else is going to pick you up. I am a big believer in youth but I also know that vets play important roles as well. Play the guy or bring in the guy who can help the team most.

Too many years of giving time to the youth movement that never seems to produce of late, IMO.

 

[Nightman]

Butler ran a 4.36 40'

Well we need to tell the other teams that......they don't seem too scared

 

[AsthmaField]

I wouldn't give either a new deal.....we already wasted 10m on Beasely and we need to get a real burner to play opposite of Dez......Witten moves like an iceberg...we need some top-end, sideline to sideline deep speed

You think Beasley is a waste as a slot receiver? He is one of the better one's in the league, IMO. With the other weapons the offense has, he might not get as many chances as some other's, but he is damn good. Romo can always go to him to move the chains and does so frequently.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You think Beasley is a waste as a slot receiver? He is one of the better one's in the league, IMO. With the other weapons the offense has, he might not get as many chances as some other's, but he is damn good. Romo can always go to him to move the chains and does so frequently.

I think Beasley can have a good year this year but he definitely has to get better at producing when Romo is not on the field. Now, that's not entirely his fault. You can get open all day but the QB has to have time and he has to get you the ball. Having said that, he was not open nearly as much last year and there are a lot of reasons for that. Not all of them are his fault but some probably are. I think he will bounce back.

 

[Nightman]

You think Beasley is a waste as a slot receiver? He is one of the better one's in the league, IMO. With the other weapons the offense has, he might not get as many chances as some other's, but he is damn good. Romo can always go to him to move the chains and does so frequently.

I think we seriously overrate our 'grit' guys....I don't think he is worth 14m and I would have only gone year to year with him....he has a role and has had some success but he is like Hanna, Heath and Free to me

 

[AsthmaField]

I think we seriously overrate our 'grit' guys....I don't think he is worth 14m and I would have only gone year to year with him....he has a role and has had some success but he is like Hanna, Heath and Free to me

Okay, I understand. I just view it differently than you do, but that happens sometimes.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Well we need to tell the other teams that......they don't seem too scared

Well look who his QBs were. I'll wait to see him with Romo before I cast him off.

 

[Nightman]

Well look who his QBs were. I'll wait to see him with Romo before I cast him off.

Considering he helped get Romo hurt by not knowing his route we'll see how much Tony trusts him

If he can take the top off the offense I am all for it

 

[AbeBeta]

I think Beasley can have a good year this year but he definitely has to get better at producing when Romo is not on the field. Now, that's not entirely his fault. You can get open all day but the QB has to have time and he has to get you the ball. Having said that, he was not open nearly as much last year and there are a lot of reasons for that. Not all of them are his fault but some probably are. I think he will bounce back.

Fact check.

Beasley caught 52 balls last year. Only 10 from Romo. All of his 5 TDs were not from Romo.

Mods think they can just say whatever and people will believe it.

 

[Maxmadden]

The value of Beasley is that he has chemistry with Romo, much like Witten. In 2014 the dude was a first down machine.

As far as Butler, teams will start respecting his speed when we force them to go 8 in the box.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Fact check.

Beasley caught 52 balls last year. Only 10 from Romo. All of his 5 TDs were not from Romo.

Mods think they can just say whatever and people will believe it.

Exactly what is it that I've said here that you have issue with?

52 catches, that's better but he was not perfect by any stretch. Terrence Williams, would you say that he also had a great year? He had 52 catches as well but I don't often hear how great of a year he had.

Do you feel like my statement that Beasley has to get better is inaccurate?

By my count, he actually caught 11 passes from Romo but no matter, 10 or 11, doesn't change the fact that while Tony was QB, Beasley was involved in the passing game. When Tony was out , there times when he disappeared. If you look at the numbers, Beasley averaged just over 3 catches a game, regardless of who the QB was but if you look closer, what you see is that when Tony was in, Beasley was a part of the passing game in every contest. When Tony was out, and what we are talking about here is essentially 12 games, 3 of those games, he failed to catch a ball. 2 of those games he had 1 catch and 1 game, he had 2 catches. If I just do the math here, in 6 of the 12 games without Tony, he was either not involved in the Offense or significantly under his average production with Tony. Is it your opinion that this doesn't matter and that he's fine how he is or do you feel as if it's all related to Tony? What ever your stance might be, it doesn't matter because the reality is that Beasley has no control over Tony. If Tony gets injured, Beasley has to step up and catch balls. Tony could easily be injured again and Beasley needs to be there producing regardless. Tony won't play forever so you might as well practice your craft and learn how to produce regardless of who is throwing the ball.

Is your issue with my statements about all of the production issues not necessarily being Beasley's fault? Is it about my opinion that he will bounce back?

I mean, you may be right and I might not know what I'm talking about but the facts are there. Going back to the 2013 season, prior to last year, Beasley has caught passes in every game he played in and mind you, this was when he had much less experience and was a much smaller part of the Offense. This may be an indicator of how poor the QB play was, without Tony but honestly, is that really going to matter? Tony is not going to always be there and if you are basing your job on who your QB is, then I think you better be ready to find a new vocation because things change and you better be able to adapt and produce if you want to have a spot on a roster.

Maybe you are right but perhaps, just maybe it is not the MODs who are at issue here. Maybe it's you?

 

[AbeBeta]

Exactly what is it that I've said here that you have issue with?

52 catches, that's better but he was not perfect by any stretch. Terrence Williams, would you say that he also had a great year? He had 52 catches as well but I don't often hear how great of a year he had.

Do you feel like my statement that Beasley has to get better is inaccurate?

By my count, he actually caught 11 passes from Romo but no matter, 10 or 11, doesn't change the fact that while Tony was QB, Beasley was involved in the passing game. When he was out, there times when he disappeared. If you look at the numbers, Beasley averaged just over 3 catches a game, regardless of who the QB was but if you look closer, what you see is that when Tony was in, Beasley was a part of the passing game in every contest. When Tony was out, and what we are talking about here is essentially 12 games, 3 of those games, he failed to catch a ball. 2 of those games he had 1 catch in and 1 game, he had 2 catches. If I just do the math here, in 6 of the 12 games without Tony, he was either not involved in the Offense or significantly under his average production with Tony. Is it your opinion that this doesn't matter and that he's fine how he is or do you feel as if it's all related to Tony? Which ever your stance might be, it doesn't matter because the reality is that Beasley has no control over Tony. If Tony get injured, Beasley has to step up and catch balls. Tony could easily be injured again and Beasley needs to be there producing regardless. Tony won't play forever so you might as well practice your craft and learn how to produce regardless of who is throwing the ball.

Is your issue with my statements about all of the production issues not necessarily being Beasley's fault? Is it about my opinion that he will bounce back?

I mean, you may be right and I might not know what I'm talking about but the facts are there. Going back to the 2013 season, prior to last year, Beasley has caught passes in every game he played in and mind you, this was when he had much less experience and was a much smaller part of the Offense. This may be an indicator of how poor the QB play was, without Tony but honestly, is that really going to matter? Tony is not going to always be there and if you are basing your job on who your QB is, then I think you better be ready to find a new vocation because things change and you better be able to adapt and produce if you want to have a spot on a roster.

Maybe you are right but perhaps, just maybe it is not the MODs who are at issue here. Maybe it's you?

Williams had over 200 snaps more than Beasley. Yet you compare them as if they are the same. Process that. In 200 fewer snaps, our slot receiver had the same number of catches.

When Romo was out, you claim there were times that Beasley wasn't invisible in the passing game. Let's go to the numbers. Against the Giants he had zero catches. He also only got half the snaps. Cassel was awful that game. Seahawks. Cassel manages to throw 25 passes, 10 of them are to RBs. Beasley plays half the snaps and sees one target. Tampa Bay, another stellar Cassel game! A whole 6 balls targets to guys not named McFadden, Bryant, or Witten. Washington, now Beas only get 43% of the snaps. Cassel misses him three times.

His best games? 9 catches for over 100 yards in Philly. 59% of the snaps. 6 catches for over 60 yards against NO, 56% of the snaps. 6 catches against Carolina, 69% of the snaps. Gee, what is the pattern here. Those three games we were behind. Those three games we went to THREE receiver sets a bunch. Cole got more snaps, Cole got more catches.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Williams had over 200 snaps more than Beasley. Yet you compare them as if they are the same. Process that. In 200 fewer snaps, our slot receiver had the same number of catches.

When Romo was out, you claim there were times that Beasley wasn't invisible in the passing game. Let's go to the numbers. Against the Giants he had zero catches. He also only got half the snaps. Cassel was awful that game. Seahawks. Cassel manages to throw 25 passes, 10 of them are to RBs. Beasley plays half the snaps and sees one target. Tampa Bay, another stellar Cassel game! A whole 6 balls targets to guys not named McFadden, Bryant, or Witten. Washington, now Beas only get 43% of the snaps. Cassel misses him three times.

His best games? 9 catches for over 100 yards in Philly. 59% of the snaps. 6 catches for over 60 yards against NO, 56% of the snaps. 6 catches against Carolina, 69% of the snaps. Gee, what is the pattern here. Those three games we were behind. Those three games we went to THREE receiver sets a bunch. Cole got more snaps, Cole got more catches.

I never said he didn't have good games. I never said he was bad or anything of the kind. I said he needs to improve. Go to the numbers and tell me how he has half his games with production of no catches, 1 catch or 2 catches? He needs to get better when Romo is not the QB. You disagree with that? You also never answered the other questions I had.

What exactly is it that I said that you have a problem with?

Was it that he needs to get better?
Was it that he will bounce back?
Was it the statement saying not all of it was his fault?

Let me guess, it's the Mods right?

 

[AbeBeta]

I never said he didn't have good games. I never said he was bad or anything of the kind. I said he needs to improve. Go to the numbers and tell me how he has half his games with production of no catches, 1 catch or 2 catches? He needs to get better when Romo is not the QB. You disagree with that? You also never answered the other questions I had.

What exactly is it that I said that you have a problem with?

Was it that he needs to get better?
Was it that he will bounce back?
Was it the statement saying not all of it was his fault?

Let me guess, it's the Mods right?

Look to your ridiculous statement about hoping he could "bounce back."

Bounce back from his most productive season to date? Nothing to bounce back from.

Typical defensive and hyper-sensitive mod behavior.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Look to your ridiculous statement about hoping he could "bounce back."

Bounce back from his most productive season to date? Nothing to bounce back from.

Typical defensive and hyper-sensitive mod behavior.

Bounce back from a season in which he disappeared at times, that's correct. The only thing typical here is your behavior. It's fine, it's even expected. Drive on moment.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

If we sign a washed up vet which we won't I prefer Boldin

 

[AbeBeta]

Bounce back from a season in which he disappeared at times, that's correct. The only thing typical here is your behavior. It's fine, it's even expected. Drive on moment.

Oh, you are so one to talk about typical behavior. What is typical is how you ignore fact and talk out of your misguided perceptions - much like the loudmouth at a bar whose opinions have zero basis in fact. Then someone shows you evidence ... and they are always portrayed as wrong, always wrong even. Seems all you can do these days.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Oh, you are so one to talk about typical behavior. What is typical is how you ignore fact and talk out of your misguided perceptions - much like the loudmouth at a bar whose opinions have zero basis in fact. Then someone shows you evidence ... and they are always portrayed as wrong, always wrong even. Seems all you can do these days.

Evidence of what? You can say what you want but it doesn't matter. He has to get better. He has to be able to make plays regardless of who is throwing the ball. You don't want to hear that but it is what it is. Like it or not, that's the truth.

You can stereo type people you don't know all you want but it aint gonna change the truth. You can blame the Mods all you want, but it aint change the truth.