Wilcox covering Rams TE Jared Cook

[LatinMind]

How many years was Church on the team before he became a starter? Wilcox has much higher potential than Churchs n we dont wanna be patient with him. If Church was starting his first two years I doubt he would be on team at this point.

I've seen some posts and heard some media guys on local sports talk radio say that Wilcox was terrible against the Rams TE Jared Cook.

I reviewed all of Cooks receptions in the game on the All-22.

These are the actual completions to Cook. He might have been open at other times, but these are the plays where he actually caught the ball.

As you can see, Wilcox was responsible for 1 completion for 16 yards when covering Cook.

There are alot more plays then these plays to Cook that have drawn attention to Wilcox. He misses alot of assignments and isnt the sure tackler that was supposed to be his forte. Wilcox is bad no matter what you want to say. Half the time he just looks lost. Which leads me to believe he isnt putting the work learning his assignments that church puts in and has put in. Im guessing this is the reason why he couldnt unseat Heath last yr. This yr they just gave him the spot. Which was also a mistake.

 

[jobberone]

If Wilcox was as bad as this forum thinks he is he wouldve been benched already.

But the GM and the coaches are all idiots.

 

[CCBoy]

There are alot more plays then these plays to Cook that have drawn attention to Wilcox. He misses alot of assignments and isnt the sure tackler that was supposed to be his forte. Wilcox is bad no matter what you want to say. Half the time he just looks lost. Which leads me to believe he isnt putting the work learning his assignments that church puts in and has put in. Im guessing this is the reason why he couldnt unseat Heath last yr. This yr they just gave him the spot. Which was also a mistake.

...or, if I had an endless supply of Ripple, I could own my own burn barrel.

Wilcox does fit the old model of what a safety should be, and is growing in his effectiveness in coverage. I think you undersell in overstating a case.

 

[CyberB0b]

...or, if I had an endless supply of Ripple, I could own my own burn barrel.

Wilcox does fit the old model of what a safety should be, and is growing in his effectiveness in coverage. I think you undersell in overstating a case.

I think he's regressing.

 

[CCBoy]

I think he's regressing.

I have a longer scale for progression and this is but year three. A similarly picked defensive lineman, unless an obvious first round talent coming in, takes time as well.

He's not the answer yet, but I'm not short sheeting the kid on potentials yet...sorry.

 

[Zman5]

But the GM and the coaches are all idiots.

The GM is most of the times and because of that the coaches may not have any other options.

 

[CF74]

RE: Wilcox not up to standards

I'm thinking it's a combination of growing pains, lack of understanding scheme/assignments, and possibly not studying the game/film enough. Still, it's early to be completely disappointed in the guy, he doesn't even have two full seasons of game time much less 3.. Having said that I need to see some more flashes in the pan..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Come to what conclusion? That Wilcox has made egregious mistakes in coverage so far? Those weren't my conclusions, they were that of the paid analyst who played the game.

And since when is citing a source from a tv report "name dropping"? That's a pretty funny one.

The only thing you have done is give Ritchie an emotional generalization. We have no idea what he actually said much less the reasoning he supposedly thought that way.

 

[jobberone]

The GM is most of the times and because of that the coaches may not have any other options.

There isn't a coach in this league who is an idiot. JMO. JJ is just a multibillionaire. If he's an idiot then where do I sign up?

If you question his ability to be a GM then I'll sign up with you. I will say he's gotten much better lately. It's tough to be a great GM in this game; at least for long. The odds seem to catch up to most everyone these days.

 

[Zman5]

There isn't a coach in this league who is an idiot. JMO. JJ is just a multibillionaire. If he's an idiot then where do I sign up?

If you question his ability to be a GM then I'll sign up with you. I will say he's gotten much better lately. It's tough to be a great GM in this game; at least for long. The odds seem to catch up to most everyone these days.

I didn't say the owner is an idiot. I posted the GM was. There is a difference if you didn't know that by now.

 

[jobberone]

I didn't say the owner is an idiot. I posted the GM was. There is a difference if you didn't know that by now.

Since they're they're one and the same then......

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I have a longer scale for progression and this is but year three. A similarly picked defensive lineman, unless an obvious first round talent coming in, takes time as well.

He's not the answer yet, but I'm not short sheeting the kid on potentials yet...sorry.

This is Wilcox's second year in the league

 

[Zman5]

Since they're they're one and the same then......

Same person, different roles. JJ is a great owner but a terrible GM.

 

[wileedog]

If Wilcox was as bad as this forum thinks he is he wouldve been benched already.

For who?

Heath?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are alot more plays then these plays to Cook that have drawn attention to Wilcox. He misses alot of assignments and isnt the sure tackler that was supposed to be his forte. Wilcox is bad no matter what you want to say. Half the time he just looks lost. Which leads me to believe he isnt putting the work learning his assignments that church puts in and has put in. Im guessing this is the reason why he couldnt unseat Heath last yr. This yr they just gave him the spot. Which was also a mistake.

He had two excellent open field tackles against Stacey in space. One was him coming over from the deep middle after the entire weak side had been flanked by a pass out to Stacey underneath. Wilcox had to breakdown in space, adjust and was able to stone the run after contact.

The other was the same throw but this time Wilcox had the under for the cover 3 and he stopped the toss for no gain.

Everyone wants to talk about the mistakes he made ie him over running 1 similar play on the first drive. Few people seem interested in acknowledged any success he had.

Scandrick gets picked off gives up on the play and it gets ignored. They run the same play on the other side to Wilcox, he doesn't give up on the play and the guy doesn't get a TD yet he gets held accountable nonetheless.

 

[CCBoy]

Wilcox can't cover a bed. Graham will toast him all night

Wax on...wax off, wax on...wax off.

I wonder if he had to deal with tough competition as well?

 

[CCBoy]

He had two excellent open field tackles against Stacey in space. One was him coming over from the deep middle after the entire weak side had been flanked by a pass out to Stacey underneath. Wilcox had to breakdown in space, adjust and was able to stone the run after contact.

The other was the same throw but this time Wilcox had the under for the cover 3 and he stopped the toss for no gain.

Everyone wants to talk about the mistakes he made ie him over running 1 similar play on the first drive. Few people seem interested in acknowledged any success he had.

Scandrick gets picked off gives up on the play and it gets ignored. They run the same play on the other side to Wilcox, he doesn't give up on the play and the guy doesn't get a TD yet he gets held accountable nonetheless.

Fuzzy, some enjoy rooting for the pair at a club, that already has peanut shells covering the floor, sitting on the tops of their chairs and spitting beer into bowls on the table. Their dates are so proud of their exploits as well.

Myself, I think that today's youth is misspent, or they will learn deep respects and how to commit. This team is still arriving at the later.

But myself, I don't see the secondary as the problem. Getting to where a truly dominant outside pass rusher, and a group solidifying safety would change things and move around the corner...would be nice for now.

 

[LatinMind]

He had two excellent open field tackles against Stacey in space. One was him coming over from the deep middle after the entire weak side had been flanked by a pass out to Stacey underneath. Wilcox had to breakdown in space, adjust and was able to stone the run after contact.

The other was the same throw but this time Wilcox had the under for the cover 3 and he stopped the toss for no gain.

Everyone wants to talk about the mistakes he made ie him over running 1 similar play on the first drive. Few people seem interested in acknowledged any success he had.

Scandrick gets picked off gives up on the play and it gets ignored. They run the same play on the other side to Wilcox, he doesn't give up on the play and the guy doesn't get a TD yet he gets held accountable nonetheless.

His situation is like Claibornes, his couple good plays dont compare to his bad ones. The sun shines on a dog's you know what sometimes too.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His situation is like Claibornes, his couple good plays dont compare to his bad ones. The sun shines on a dog's you know what sometimes too.

I talk specifics. You talk generalizations.

There is no one in the NFL with a 100% success rate. NFL completion % is 65%.

He ran overran one play vs the Rams. He made a TD saving tackle and a stuff besides. People complained that he was out of position on a run but ignored that it was because he was in man coverage outside.

He along with the rest of the team struggled vs pick plays although no ill came of his struggles. He allowed one 15 yard out. I see a lot of claims of his missing assignments but I don't see a single specific example.

What I do see is a bunch of people waving their hands at Brian Broaddus' comments from Monday which by his own admission were based entirely on having reviewed only the 1st quarter and he had not finished the game tape.

CL thinks waving his hand on John Ritchie joining the bandwagon is meaningful although he cannot mention any specific play either.

Heck that over run in the first quarter was a similar type play as the stops he made underneath and outside as those tackles I mentioned. That to me indicates he learns from his mistakes. His ability to break down in space and go either way to make a tackle is excellent. He was targeting Stacey's leg and but his pad on the same spot of his thigh three times.

We will see because Brees will test him. I just hope we don't try to man up Graham one on one with him.

 

[LatinMind]

I talk specifics. You talk generalizations.

There is no one in the NFL with a 100% success rate. NFL completion % is 65%.

He ran overran one play vs the Rams. He made a TD saving tackle and a stuff besides. People complained that he was out of position on a run but ignored that it was because he was in man coverage outside.

He along with the rest of the team struggled vs pick plays although no ill came of his struggles. He allowed one 15 yard out. I see a lot of claims of his missing assignments but I don't see a single specific example.

What I do see is a bunch of people waving their hands at Brian Broaddus' comments from Monday which by his own admission were based entirely on having reviewed only the 1st quarter and he had not finished the game tape.

CL thinks waving his hand on John Ritchie joining the bandwagon is meaningful although he cannot mention any specific play either.

Heck that over run in the first quarter was a similar type play as the stops he made underneath and outside as those tackles I mentioned. That to me indicates he learns from his mistakes. His ability to break down in space and go either way to make a tackle is excellent. He was targeting Stacey's leg and but his pad on the same spot of his thigh three times.

We will see because Brees will test him. I just hope we don't try to man up Graham one on one with him.

Youre seriously going to sit behind your computer and look at your screen and honestly say you have not seen Wilcox's bad play?