WIll McClay defines RKG for us

[visionary]

All the haters whose simplistic response is "prove it with results" clearly have never built anything to last. Short-term thinkers. I believe going 8-8 for three years with the talent we had and flipping the entire roster IS RESULTS. And establishing an identity and culture are major results. Just compare our drafting under Garrett to Wade and its readily apparent we have results.

So the new slogans are

"Building for the long term where results don't matter"

Or

"Building for mediocrity"

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Denial is the first step
I am somewhat concerned that you have been stuck there for a while

However even the less gifted (ie feeble) are eventually able to see the path so we are not giving up on you

Now you are just trolling. What is obvious at this point your motive is schadenfreude. If you don't have anything better than a baiting response then I will just ignore it.

 

[Aurican]

Saying that you like aspects of something does not mean 'free pass.' The opposite of support is undermine. You think it is a good idea to try and undermine the head coach of this team? Should we just ignore him and not care? No I imagine you get all behind bashing him. That is undermining him btw.

I said "some" give him a free pass if you don't fall into that group and have been critical of him then your are not one of them. Every coach has good aspects but if he isn't getting results then overall he is a failure. IMO the good aspects others see in Garrett are exaggerated, no one knows or has proof how much control he has over the roster and I believe a lot of the talent he has supposedly acquired has yet to be proven to be great.

Garrett also has an awful record against winning teams and has lost multiple games in embarrassing fashion including losing a winnable division 3 straight years. This is all while having a franchise QB, if he didn't have Romo he likely would have posted the same 5-11 record as Campo these last 3 years. Sorry if voicing my displeasure over what I see as a failure as a head coach upsets you but it's my opinion that this team would be in a better place with a different coach.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I said "some" give him a free pass if you don't fall into that group and have been critical of him then your are not one of them. Every coach has good aspects but if he isn't getting results then overall he is a failure. IMO the good aspects others see in Garrett are exaggerated, no one knows or has proof how much control he has over the roster and I believe a lot of the talent he has supposedly acquired has yet to be proven to be great.

Garrett also has an awful record against winning teams and has lost multiple games in embarrassing fashion including losing a winnable division 3 straight years. This is all while having a franchise QB, if he didn't have Romo he likely would have posted the same 5-11 record as Campo these last 3 years. Sorry if voicing my displeasure over what I see as a failure as a head coach upsets you but it's my opinion that this team would be in a better place with a different coach.

It doesn't upset me. I don't see the point in it other than the fact that misery loves company.

And nobody meets your definition of 'giving out free passes' if that is the dissemble you are going for.

 

[Aurican]

It doesn't upset me. I don't see the point in it other than the fact that misery loves company.

And nobody meets your definition of 'giving out free passes' if that is the dissemble you are going for.

This is a discussion board the point is to post your opinion and information, don't see how anything done here has some sort of greater meaning. If you think that posting what you see as misery then that's fine, personally I haven't felt miserable about the Cowboys for a long time since I don't believe they are properly managed and expect the results we've seen. Also not sure how you can state for a fact every poster on here has been critical of Jason Garrett or what my experience has been while reading this board.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I can't believe someone posted that voicing our displeasure with the Red Trainee on a message board is undermining him. That's hilarious.

If only our posting on a message board actually could undermine Garrett... Then we might actually get a better coach in place.

Instead he's won just barely enough to stay in office, which is bad in the longer run. I feel bad for Tony Romo that he's apparently never going to get a chance under a better coach.

Also, how could anyone seriously believe that expressing the opinion that Garrett is a replacement-level coach means they are miserable at life? That makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[waving monkey]

Not arguing he hasn't but at the end of the day it's all about results and Garrett has NOT gotten them.
How many more years would you take without them would be my only question?

at the end of the day another one arises . I think his getting it done you don't. It's a matter of perception

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't believe someone posted that voicing our displeasure with the Red Trainee on a message board is undermining him. That's hilarious.

If only our posting on a message board actually could undermine Garrett... Then we might actually get a better coach in place.

Instead he's won just barely enough to stay in office, which is bad in the longer run. I feel bad for Tony Romo that he's apparently never going to get a chance under a better coach.

Also, how could anyone seriously believe that expressing the opinion that Garrett is a replacement-level coach means they are miserable at life? That makes absolutely zero sense.

I was turning the logic being used on its head. Thank you for pointing out the absurdity. If saying negative things isn't undermining then saying positive things isn't supporting him.

And I never said miserable at life. Try harder.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is a discussion board the point is to post your opinion and information, don't see how anything done here has some sort of greater meaning. If you think that posting what you see as misery then that's fine, personally I haven't felt miserable about the Cowboys for a long time since I don't believe they are properly managed and expect the results we've seen. Also not sure how you can state for a fact every poster on here has been critical of Jason Garrett or what my experience has been while reading this board.

It's a cliche. Are you trying to say you aren't trying to persuade people to be unhappy -or whatever label you want to put on it- with the coaching staff just like you?

And I can say that just as easily as you can say that such people exist. You can prove a positive. I won't hold my breath.

 

[Aurican]

It's a cliche. Are you trying to say you aren't trying to persuade people to be unhappy -or whatever label you want to put on it- with the coaching staff just like you?

And I can say that just as easily as you can say that such people exist. You can prove a positive. I won't hold my breath.

It's a discussion happiness has nothing to do with it, what reason would I have to make others unhappy. I have no problem being persuaded to see things differently if someone makes valid points. I'm offering my perspective and seeing what others have to offer to counter or support that is all.

 

[Gaede]

You clearly pay no attention. What did the drafts under Wade bring us? What have the drafts under Garrett brought us? One is clearly superior, and its not Wade. The team sucked the last few years because 2007, 2008, and 2009 under Wade were awful drafts, left the cupboard bare. Wade choked away a top seed and then missed the playoffs twice when the team had a ton of talent.

How are Garrett's drafts superior when our team is so much worse? We made won two division titles with Wade and one playoff game. We can't even get into the playoffs with Garrett at the helm. Three years in a row we've lost win-and-you're-in games vs. our division rivals. With Garrett's players and Garrett's coaches.

How is that superior? In what way is that better than actually making the playoffs and winning one? That literally makes no sense.

 

[Coy]

at the end of the day another one arises . I think his getting it done you don't. It's a matter of perception

I guess we differ on what the meaning of getting it done is, but hey to each his own.
If you were starting a franshise from scratch I would agree with you, but that's obviously not the case, not in the NFL, not in 2014.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's a discussion happiness has nothing to do with it, what reason would I have to make others unhappy. I have no problem being persuaded to see things differently if someone makes valid points. I'm offering my perspective and seeing what others have to offer to counter or support that is all.

The notions of perspective and emotion are not mutually exclusive. Dissatisfied, upset, miserable, angry, etc. I have no way of knowing your exact disposition but this idea that you are dispassionately seeking truth rings about as hollow as possible.

Others like visionary get off on irritating people as evidenced by his comments earlier.

You can attach whatever label you want but there is an emotional connotation to it. You were the one claiming that I was upset earlier after all. Now why would you claim that?

 

[Fredd]

So the new slogans are

"Building for the long term where results don't matter"

Or

"Building for mediocrity"

oooh, oooh, wait, I got one: "Complain about everything related to the Cowboys on this site, because you can"

 

[visionary]

How are Garrett's drafts superior when our team is so much worse? We made won two division titles with Wade and one playoff game. We can't even get into the playoffs with Garrett at the helm. Three years in a row we've lost win-and-you're-in games vs. our division rivals. With Garrett's players and Garrett's coaches.

How is that superior? In what way is that better than actually making the playoffs and winning one? That literally makes no sense.

You are obviously not paying attention
Where Garrett is concerned results don't matter and are not the measuring stick and even suggesting this is somehow wrong

 

[visionary]

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Others like visionary get off on irritating people as evidenced by his comments earlier.
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Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer

 

[JBell]

"You can't play a game like football with all choir boys."

 

[CyberB0b]

I have to admit, I am jumping in on the McClay bandwagon. The problem is that if we don't have success immediately, Jerry won't stay the course, or will allow his ego to trump logical decisions. This is a fact.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Then what is your motivation? Both for bashing him and criticizing people that 'support' him?

The same motivation that spurs you to cheer for, or "support" mediocre football. And I didn't bash anyone here for supporting the Garrett. I just don't understand how they are satisfied by what they are seeing.

 

[Idgit]

The same motivation that spurs you to cheer for, or "support" mediocre football. And I didn't bash anyone here for supporting the Garrett. I just don't understand how they are satisfied by what they are seeing.

Nobody is satisfied. Some of us are dissatisfied with things other than our head coach. Our defense, for example.