Will McClay talks Jerry

[Doomsday101]

How are you going to work with Jerry, how has it grown?
Misconception is Jerry does it on his own and makes decisions on his own, not true. My job is to get a unified voice so we have a unified decision for Jerry. Get the coaches to respect the scouts so jerry has the best information.


I have never doubted this at all. Jerry is not out scouting, he listens to the input of those whose job it is to scout players. Of course Jerry hired them so he still owns responsiblity for the job they have done, if they fail then it is Jerry failure

 

[TwoDeep3]

How are you going to work with Jerry, how has it grown?
Misconception is Jerry does it on his own and makes decisions on his own, not true. My job is to get a unified voice so we have a unified decision for Jerry. Get the coaches to respect the scouts so jerry has the best information.


I have never doubted this at all. Jerry is not out scouting, he listens to the input of those whose job it is to scout players. Of course Jerry hired them so he still owns responsiblity for the job they have done, if they fail then it is Jerry failure

Don't believe ANYONE suggested Jerry is out scouting.

But when the decision is not unified, and that assuredly happens more than not, then Jerry makes the call.

Just another guy stating facts some don't wish to hear.

 

[Doomsday101]

Don't believe ANYONE suggested Jerry is out scouting.

But when the decision is not unified, and that assuredly happens more than not, then Jerry makes the call.

Just another guy stating facts some don't wish to hear.

Yep when there is no consensus between players Jerry makes the final call, that is what most do in his position. Ware and Spears was a situation like that. Evidently Frederick was not a consensus and Jerry made the final call. Again I don't let Jerry off the hook the team failure is also his failure but Jerry is letting people do their jobs. Again if a person fails to do the job that too is Jerry failure.

 

[birdwells1]

Yep when there is no consensus between players Jerry makes the final call, that is what most do in his position. Ware and Spears was a situation like that. Evidently Frederick was not a consensus and Jerry made the final call. Again I don't let Jerry off the hook the team failure is also his failure but Jerry is letting people do their jobs. Again if a person fails to do the job that too is Jerry failure.

But the question is what qualifies JJ to be the tie breaker? If he's not intimately involved in the evaluation process then what he's doing is no different than if I was Gm, I'd listen to both sides and the one that made the most influential argument I'd go with. The way I'd like it to go would be for the the gm to say something like "Ok fellas, I've heard both sides but in my personal evaluation I have player "A" ranked higher than player "B" and I've heard nothing to convince me otherwise".

 

[skinsscalper]

Don't believe ANYONE suggested Jerry is out scouting.

But when the decision is not unified, and that assuredly happens more than not, then Jerry makes the call.

Just another guy stating facts some don't wish to hear.

And you've revealed exactly what revelation, here? This has been known forever.

 

[Doomsday101]

But the question is what qualifies JJ to be the tie breaker? If he's not intimately involved in the evaluation process then what he's doing is no different than if I was Gm, I'd listen to both sides and the one that made the most influential argument I'd go with. The way I'd like it to go would be for the the gm to say something like "Ok fellas, I've heard both sides but in my personal evaluation I have player "A" ranked higher than player "B" and I've heard nothing to convince me otherwise".

If I owned the team Jerry would not be GM but then I deal with reality not wishes. I don't pout because things do not go as I think they should. I have said for a while the key is hiring good people, Parcells liked working for Jones and the passion Jones has. I'm not going to say well as long as Jerry is around we can never win to me the key is the people you hire

 

[LatinMind]

If I owned the team Jerry would not be GM but then I deal with reality not wishes. I don't pout because things do not go as I think they should. I have said for a while the key is hiring good people, Parcells liked working for Jones and the passion Jones has. I'm not going to say well as long as Jerry is around we can never win to me the key is the people you hire

I think McClay is that key hire for Jerry. Really like what he brings to the table in Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think McClay is that key hire for Jerry. Really like what he brings to the table in Dallas.

I hope so.

 

[birdwells1]

If I owned the team Jerry would not be GM but then I deal with reality not wishes. I don't pout because things do not go as I think they should. I have said for a while the key is hiring good people, Parcells liked working for Jones and the passion Jones has. I'm not going to say well as long as Jerry is around we can never win to me the key is the people you hire

I actually agree with you, that's why I was praying for Sean Payton last year. You need someone that can overcome the barriers to winning that this management style presents. So that means you need the best scouts, the best coaches and the best strength and conditioning program to overcome our barrier.
It's going to take a special coach and so far JG has not proven to be him.
Pouting? This is how good threads go bad, no need.

 

[Doomsday101]

I actually agree with you, that's why I was praying for Sean Payton last year. You need someone that can overcome the barriers to winning that this management style presents. So that means you need the best scouts, the best coaches and the best strength and conditioning program to overcome our barrier.
It's going to take a special coach and so far JG has not proven to be him.
Pouting? This is how good threads go bad, no need.

Yes but did not point to anyone, fact is a lot of threads go bad when people disagree. Fact is when Jerry and the Cowboys do something I agree with I state it and when moves have been made I disagree with I state that as well what I don't do is pick and choose. I don't say this player did great there fore this was someone elses selection, this player was a bust so it must be jerry pick. I don't play that game, I don't dog pile just for the sake of it and I sure as heck do not run around hollering we will never win

 

[reddyuta]

some encouraging statements,i hope they are no too enamoured with this RKG stuff.

 

[casmith07]

McClay doesn't know what he's talking about. Jerry does everything, I read it right here.

 

[CyberB0b]

How are you going to work with Jerry, how has it grown?
Misconception is Jerry does it on his own and makes decisions on his own, not true. My job is to get a unified voice so we have a unified decision for Jerry. Get the coaches to respect the scouts so jerry has the best information.


I have never doubted this at all. Jerry is not out scouting, he listens to the input of those whose job it is to scout players. Of course Jerry hired them so he still owns responsiblity for the job they have done, if they fail then it is Jerry failure

From what I heard, Jerry is very susceptible of listening to the last guy who gets in his ear. Of course, we have all heard how much he listens to guys like Switzer and Lacewell. It troubles me that the duties of the GM aren't his primary concern.

 

[casmith07]

From what I heard, Jerry is very susceptible of listening to the last guy who gets in his ear. Of course, we have all heard how much he listens to guys like Switzer and Lacewell. It troubles me that the duties of the GM aren't his primary concern.

That's not even close to what was stated by the Assistant Director of Player Personnel for the gat damn franchise.

This is exactly the kind of thought pattern that needs to find its way out of the fan base of the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[CyberB0b]

That's not even close to what was stated by the Assistant Director of Player Personnel for the gat damn franchise.

This is exactly the kind of thought pattern that needs to find its way out of the fan base of the Dallas Cowboys.

The guy who has held that title for like 3 months? That guy? Even the Jerry shill himself, Micky Spags, has said as much.

 

[casmith07]

The guy who has held that title for like 3 months? That guy?

So even though he's been with the organization for much longer than that, under Tom Ciskowski, you think it's only changed like this in the last 3 months? Get real, dude.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's not even close to what was stated by the Assistant Director of Player Personnel for the gat damn franchise.

This is exactly the kind of thought pattern that needs to find its way out of the fan base of the Dallas Cowboys.

I agree those who have worked for him one being Parcells has stated different. Now only reason i point to BP is he is a man who does not pull punches. Parcells will tell you like it is. Jerry is still responsible no getting around that but if you can give a good argument why we should take one player over another Jerry listen and make the move.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I don't pout either. I just point out Jones is heavily involved in each decision, and he has zero credentials to be making those tie breaker calls.

I have hung around girls for all of my life. Talked to them. Understood them as much as possible. Empathized with them. That doesn't mean I can get pregnant.

Jones has hung around jocks and coaches for a very long time. Doesn't mean he has any understanding of talent evaluation.

So when you make claims that Jones doesn't scout, but he did settle the tie for Ware and Freddy, what does that really say?

It says someone who recognized the talent of those players got into Jones' ear and was more convincing than someone else. Parcells wanted Spears. Jones sided with someone else. Jones didn't scout squat. He went with the more persuasive.

So you have his ear and tell him about this kid named Brady who will be a great QB. I have his ear and am more persuasive and talk him into picking Bobby Carpenter.

How did his lack of expertise in talent evaluation come to the fore on that decision? But more significantly how was the cost of players influencing his decision?

First round QB cost way more than a first round anything else.

It's all who politics him the best, not his skillful eye on picking talent. And quite possibly his checkbook mentality.

Hence the reminder that Jones does get involved, and he has a better than 50-50 chance of listening to the wrong guy.

Other GMs use their experience in picking players. They are talent evaluators.

Jerry simply is not.

 

[casmith07]

I agree those who have worked for him one being Parcells has stated different. Now only reason i point to BP is he is a man who does not pull punches. Parcells will tell you like it is. Jerry is still responsible no getting around that but if you can give a good argument why we should take one player over another Jerry listen and make the move.

Yeah I can agree there.

I don't pout either. I just point out Jones is heavily involved in each decision, and he has zero credentials to be making those tie breaker calls.

I have hung around girls for all of my life. Talked to them. Understood them as much as possible. Empathized with them. That doesn't mean I can get pregnant.
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This is a terrible analogy.

 

[CyberB0b]

So even though he's been with the organization for much longer than that, under Tom Ciskowski, you think it's only changed like this in the last 3 months? Get real, dude.

How about some direct quotes from Jerry?

“We even called on Barry Switzer, who candidly is one of the best running back evaluators there has been and is, because he has seen so many and really studies them,” Jones said. “So we had Barry weigh in on us in the draft room there tonight, but of course he really knew him well because DeMarco Murray is from up in Oklahoma.”

Lacewell, meanwhile, endorsed Carter.

“Larry Lacewell is one of the best linebacker evaluators that there is,” Jones said, “and he really got to weigh in good on Bruce Carter and did.”