Will McClay talks Jerry

[TwoDeep3]

Yeah I can agree there.



This is a terrible analogy.

I agree, but sometimes you must utilize the absurd to point out the absurd.

 

[casmith07]

How about some direct quotes from Jerry?

And you don't think every single general manager or front office team doesn't do the same thing?

And if they're so great and filled with "football guys" where do you think they got their experience? General Manager University?

 

[LatinMind]

The guy who has held that title for like 3 months? That guy? Even the Jerry shill himself, Micky Spags, has said as much.

Actually Mickey has said McClay has been the guy thats had Jerrys ear before he even hired him.

 

[Floatyworm]

Don't believe ANYONE suggested Jerry is out scouting.

But when the decision is not unified, and that assuredly happens more than not, then Jerry makes the call.

Just another guy stating facts some don't wish to hear.

And that is the scary fact.....Jerry makes the final decision. Coming from a guy that would rather spend his time @ the X-games w/ his wife rather than scouting players. A GM that doesn't scout players. What a novel concept!!!!!!

 

[TwoDeep3]

And you don't think every single general manager or front office team doesn't do the same thing?

Big difference when you have a real GM who worked his way through the ranks to make the decision versus an insurance salesman.

You see this all the time with politicians thinking they know more about business than businessmen. Yet they have never run a business or made a payroll in their lives.

Jones bought his way into hanging around the NFL. He was masterful at creating a buzz and selling his product. No one doubts that skill.

But when he places himself in the role of final arbiter, then he has shown to the world he is not qualified to make that call, because he hired the wrong guy, and continues to allow a failure to keep his job.

 

[LatinMind]

Larry Lacewell is one of the best linebacker evaluators that there is,” Jones said, “and he really got to weigh in good on Bruce Carter and did.”

Before 2013 wouldnt you agree that Carter was that good? Are you trying to say Carter isnt a good Lber? Even in his bad yr the guy had 100 tackles.

 

[LatinMind]

And that is the scary fact.....Jerry makes the final decision. Coming from a guy that would rather spend his time @ the X-games w/ his wife rather than scouting players. A GM that doesn't scout players. What a novel concept!!!!!!

GMs dnt scout players. They have scouts who do that, and make decisions off what the scouts tell them.

 

[CyberB0b]

And you don't think every single general manager or front office team doesn't do the same thing?

And if they're so great and filled with "football guys" where do you think they got their experience? General Manager University?

Most GMs usually work their way up the ranks, you know, doing football work. Scouting, coaching, playing, something like that. They don't just buy the team and put on a nametag that says "General Manager". The results speak for themselves.

 

[LatinMind]

Most GMs usually work their way up the ranks, you know, doing football work. Scouting, coaching, playing, something like that. They don't just buy the team and put on a nametag that says "General Manager". The results speak for themselves.

Jerry was a GM who hired a coach everybody thought was a joke the first day on the job as GM. Jimmy Johnson

 

[Doomsday101]

How about some direct quotes from Jerry?

and Lacewell was hired by who? Yep Jimmy Johnson hired him

DAVIE — The first real college coaching job for Miami Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson came with Larry Lacewell's help. He needed guidance in 1984 about whether to take the University of Miami job and sought Lacewell's advice.

Johnson was the best man at Lacewell's wedding. He hired Lacewell to run the scouting and personnel department when he took over as coach of the Dallas Cowboys.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1996-10-26/sports/9610251836_1_larry-lacewell-johnson-dallas

Jimmy and Lacewell had a fallen out after Jimmy left Dallas but if Jimmy felt that highly of Lacewell enough to hire him in Dallas why would Jerry think less of Lacewell?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

McClay doesn't know what he's talking about. Jerry does everything, I read it right here.

Link?

Actually Mickey has said McClay has been the guy thats had Jerrys ear before he even hired him.

Well this leads to all kinds of questions.

So nothing will really be different now? What was Ciskowski even doing before if McClay was the one Jerry listened to?

Seems like this just adds to the idea that Jerry listens to whomever he pleases/likes/favors at the moment rather than following any chain of command.

 

[casmith07]

Big difference when you have a real GM who worked his way through the ranks to make the decision versus an insurance salesman.

You see this all the time with politicians thinking they know more about business than businessmen. Yet they have never run a business or made a payroll in their lives.

Jones bought his way into hanging around the NFL. He was masterful at creating a buzz and selling his product. No one doubts that skill.

But when he places himself in the role of final arbiter, then he has shown to the world he is not qualified to make that call, because he hired the wrong guy, and continues to allow a failure to keep his job.

Pure conjecture and personal opinion.

 

[TwoDeep3]

GMs dnt scout players. They have scouts who do that, and make decisions off what the scouts tell them.

Yet most GMs have a background in the sport and didn't buy their way into a position.

But you better believe GM's go to the scouting combine and are involved up to their eyebrows in scouting players.

They don't go on the road, but they cull the list with their eyeball evaluation when the reports come in and then are heavily involved in the draft board. To suggest something different - and you may not have been but your comment read that way - is ignoring what the job description is for a GM.

They don't sit in the office and dictate letters.

 

[LatinMind]

This interview had alot of good information on whats going on behind the scenes in Dallas. And all you trolls want to do is turn it into a Jones bash thread. You people are pathetic. Why do you people even come here.

 

[Wolfpack]

I don't pout either. I just point out Jones is heavily involved in each decision, and he has zero credentials to be making those tie breaker calls.

I have hung around girls for all of my life. Talked to them. Understood them as much as possible. Empathized with them. That doesn't mean I can get pregnant.

Jones has hung around jocks and coaches for a very long time. Doesn't mean he has any understanding of talent evaluation.

So when you make claims that Jones doesn't scout, but he did settle the tie for Ware and Freddy, what does that really say?

It says someone who recognized the talent of those players got into Jones' ear and was more convincing than someone else. Parcells wanted Spears. Jones sided with someone else. Jones didn't scout squat. He went with the more persuasive.

So you have his ear and tell him about this kid named Brady who will be a great QB. I have his ear and am more persuasive and talk him into picking Bobby Carpenter.

How did his lack of expertise in talent evaluation come to the fore on that decision? But more significantly how was the cost of players influencing his decision?

First round QB cost way more than a first round anything else.

It's all who politics him the best, not his skillful eye on picking talent. And quite possibly his checkbook mentality.

Hence the reminder that Jones does get involved, and he has a better than 50-50 chance of listening to the wrong guy.

Other GMs use their experience in picking players. They are talent evaluators.

Jerry simply is not.

Excellent post. You forgot to mention that the scout who knocks back the last glass of ole grand dad with Jerry also gets bonus points too.

 

[casmith07]

Yet most GMs have a background in the sport and didn't buy their way into a position.

But you better believe GM's go to the scouting combine and are involved up to their eyebrows in scouting players.

They don't go on the road, but they cull the list with their eyeball evaluation when the reports come in and then are heavily involved in the draft board. To suggest something different - and you may not have been but your comment read that way - is ignoring what the job description is for a GM.

They don't sit in the office and dictate letters.

More speculation and personal opinion.

 

[LatinMind]

Yet most GMs have a background in the sport and didn't buy their way into a position.

But you better believe GM's go to the scouting combine and are involved up to their eyebrows in scouting players.

They don't go on the road, but they cull the list with their eyeball evaluation when the reports come in and then are heavily involved in the draft board. To suggest something different - and you may not have been but your comment read that way - is ignoring what the job description is for a GM.

They don't sit in the office and dictate letters.

Are you a GM? do you know what they do? Do you know what Jerry does?

 

[CyberB0b]

Jerry was a GM who hired a coach everybody thought was a joke the first day on the job as GM. Jimmy Johnson

Cool. What's he done in the last 5 years? 10 years? 15 years?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Jerry was a GM who hired a coach everybody thought was a joke the first day on the job as GM. Jimmy Johnson

Well, everyone who had no eyes may have thought that.

Most of the league thought that. They also think Chip Kelly's offense would stink.

People thought the earth was flat.

What people think sometimes is way off. Even experts. Which is why the draft produces Tony Mandrich's and Brian Bosworths.

Yet the people making the call on all teams but this team have experince in the GM spot. And when the franchise doesn't show progress, the GM is fired.

 

[Wolfpack]

And you don't think every single general manager or front office team doesn't do the same thing?

And if they're so great and filled with "football guys" where do you think they got their experience? General Manager University?

Most GM's come up from the scouts. Not all but most do. I'd guess an average NFL GM has 15+ years of scouting prior to getting a shot at a GM job.