Will The Yankees and Mets Win More Than 80 Games This Year?

[WPBCowboysFan]

I was watching the Yankee/Oriole game tonight and I saw the Yankees were soon having Brent Gardner "Bat Day" at the stadium.

I thought, "You've got to be kidding me? Freaking "Bat Day" for a guy who hit two-fifty-something last season with 17 homeruns? Really?"

It would be like having "Bat Day" for Roy White back in the 70's.

I don't know what bothers me more, this lousy Yankee offense or that offense is so crummy in baseball overall.

Better than A-Roid Bat Day. At least Gardner's a decent guy. But I feel your pain, sorta.

Roy White, LOL. Would Mickey Rivers be a better choice?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Better than A-Roid Bat Day. At least Gardner's a decent guy. But I feel your pain, sorta.

Roy White, LOL. Would Mickey Rivers be a better choice?

LOL! At least Mickey could hit .300

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

LOL! At least Mickey could hit .300

That was an era when I liked the Yankees. And even the Red Sox. I liked a lot of those players on those teams even tho I wanted the Orioles to win. Better game to follow back then IMO. So much less player movement.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That was an era when I liked the Yankees. And even the Red Sox. I liked a lot of those players on those teams even tho I wanted the Orioles to win. Better game to follow back then IMO. So much less player movement.

I agree. All the player movement doesn't help the game.

From 1977, and the entry of Toronto and Seattle into the league, for about 15 years there was a nice symmetry to the sport. You had homerun hitters, you had the stolen base guys, you had the high average hitters. A team like NY or Boston could score runs by home runs. A team like KC would use doubles and stolen bases. You had guys that would walk a lot and then you would have your Dave Kingman or Rob Deer or Gorman Thomas who would K a lot... But there wasn't a ton of those guys.

Pitchers that struck out a lot of guys back then like JR Richard, Nolan Ryan, Ron Guidry and Steve Carlton were simply good strikeout pitchers.

And then the steroid era hit and threw everything out of balance. And now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction and we're in another "dead ball" era.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I agree. All the player movement doesn't help the game.

From 1977, and the entry of Toronto and Seattle into the league, for about 15 years there was a nice symmetry to the sport. You had homerun hitters, you had the stolen base guys, you had the high average hitters. A team like NY or Boston could score runs by home runs. A team like KC would use doubles and stolen bases. You had guys that would walk a lot and then you would have your Dave Kingman or Rob Deer or Gorman Thomas who would K a lot... But there wasn't a ton of those guys.

Pitchers that struck out a lot of guys back then like JR Richard, Nolan Ryan, Ron Guidry and Steve Carlton were simply good strikeout pitchers.

And then the steroid era hit and threw everything out of balance. And now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction and we're in another "dead ball" era.

Gorman Thomas, there's a name I havent heard in a long time. Different times. All the teams had more bigger name players than teams have now. The Brewers had Thomas, Yount, Molitor, Cecil Cooper. The Twins had Rod Carew, Larry Hisle, Roy Smalley, Lyman Bostock. I remember Trammel and Whitaker coming up at the same time for the Tigers. Royals had a loaded roster. Red Sox had Yaz, Lynn and Evans in the OF, then Jim Rice. George Scott and Fisk. Those Yankee teams with Reggie, Mickey Rivers, Chambliss, Nettles, Randolph, even Munson. Orioles with good pitching and defense and guys like Eddie Murray, DeCinces, Singleton, Bumbry, and then Cal Jr comes up. The Angels signing all the high dollar FA's at one time and had good rosters with guys like Bobby Grich, Don Baylor, Carew, Reggie, Bostock, Fred Lynn, Nolan Ryan.

I still love the game as much, but I dont think it is as good now as it was back n the 70's & 80's.

I remember wanting to go to Orioles games to see the stars of the other teams as much as seeing the home team's stars. Its just different now.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Gorman Thomas, there's a name I havent heard in a long time. Different times. All the teams had more bigger name players than teams have now. The Brewers had Thomas, Yount, Molitor, Cecil Cooper. The Twins had Rod Carew, Larry Hisle, Roy Smalley, Lyman Bostock. I remember Trammel and Whitaker coming up at the same time for the Tigers. Royals had a loaded roster. Red Sox had Yaz, Lynn and Evans in the OF, then Jim Rice. George Scott and Fisk. Those Yankee teams with Reggie, Mickey Rivers, Chambliss, Nettles, Randolph, even Munson. Orioles with good pitching and defense and guys like Eddie Murray, DeCinces, Singleton, Bumbry, and then Cal Jr comes up. The Angels signing all the high dollar FA's at one time and had good rosters with guys like Bobby Grich, Don Baylor, Carew, Reggie, Bostock, Fred Lynn, Nolan Ryan.

I still love the game as much, but I dont think it is as good now as it was back n the 70's & 80's.

I remember wanting to go to Orioles games to see the stars of the other teams as much as seeing the home team's stars. Its just different now.

You hit the nail on the head.

The teams did seem to have bigger name players than they have now.

I loved the "Lumber Company" of Parker & Stargell vs. the Phils of Luzinski & Schmidt.

I thought Ted Simmons (Simba) was greatly underrated.

Having the "Big Red Machine" battling the Dodgers on a Saturday "Game of the Week" was pure joy.

Even back then I was an Astros fan and enjoyed watching them try to scratch out runs with Bob Watson, Jose Cruz, Enos Cabell and Cesar Cedeno.

Good times.

 

[Tabascocat]

NYM - 7-3
NYY - 3-6

Right on schedule....................

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You hit the nail on the head.

The teams did seem to have bigger name players than they have now.

I loved the "Lumber Company" of Parker & Stargell vs. the Phils of Luzinski & Schmidt.

I thought Ted Simmons (Simba) was greatly underrated.

Having the "Big Red Machine" battling the Dodgers on a Saturday "Game of the Week" was pure joy.

Even back then I was an Astros fan and enjoyed watching them try to scratch out runs with Bob Watson, Jose Cruz, Enos Cabell and Cesar Cedeno.

Good times.

We're old timers. Talking about the good ole days.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

NYM - 7-3
NYY - 3-6

Right on schedule....................

Panic in the Bronx yet?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Panic in the Bronx yet?

I think "concern" is a better word.

Bottom line I don't think anyone in the organization truly believes this is a playoff club.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I think "concern" is a better word.

Bottom line I don't think anyone in the organization truly believes this is a playoff club.

Most likely they arent. But a lot can happen in 162 games. A few career years from some guys you wouldnt think that and then they can exceed expectations.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Most likely they arent. But a lot can happen in 162 games. A few career years from some guys you wouldnt think that and then they can exceed expectations.

I look at this season as being the Cowboy equivalent of 8-8.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I look at this season as being the Cowboy equivalent of 8-8.

If I were betting on it that would be my bet.

 

[Shunpike]

Yankees started worse than I expected. Not good.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yankees started worse than I expected. Not good.

This weekend series vs. the Rays is critical. If they do not take 2 out of 3, the things are going to be very dire heading into Detroit.

But maybe they need "dire" in order to get to rebuilding this club.

 

[Shunpike]

This weekend series vs. the Rays is critical. If they do not take 2 out of 3, the things are going to be very dire heading into Detroit.

But maybe they need "dire" in order to get to rebuilding this club.

Hi MW

You have a point. I think we need to hit rock bottom before we start seeing some rebuilding. I decided not to get too depressed over the results. What makes me upset is I had play off hopes before the season started. Facing the cold hard reality is ugly.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

2015 Baseball Preview - AL East: Orioles have fewer flaws than the rest of this underwhelming bunch


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/scouting-al-east-orioles-flaws-rest-article-1.2173555

ED MURAWINSKI/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

1. ORIOLES (87-75)

BIG PICTURE: They lost Nelson Cruz (major league-leading 40 home runs), veteran Nick Markakis and Andrew Miller (1.35 ERA in 23 games after coming over at the deadline last year) to free agency yet made no significant additions in the offseason.

So what would give anyone the idea the Orioles could repeat as division champions?

For one thing, they get their best hitter, Manny Machado, back after missing almost all last season due to knee surgery. For another, they expect to get a full season from Chris Davis, who slumped from a league-leading 53 homers and 138 RBI in 2013 to 26 and 72 last year and missed nearly 40 games with an oblique issue and then a drug suspension; and, lastly, they’re getting back Matt Wieters, their No. 1 catcher, who averaged 23 homers from 2011-13 before missing almost all last year with rotator cuff surgery.

WHY THEY’LL FINISH FIRST: The O’s ain’t a great team, but they have fewer flaws than the rest of the underwhelming AL East. In Chris Tillman, Bud Norris, Kevin Gausman, Wei-Yin Chen, Miguel Gonzalez and Ubaldo Jimenez, the O’s rotation is the deepest in the division insofar as starters who can consistently turn in quality starts, even if it’s lacking a true ace.

Showalter feels his relief corps — lefty closer Zach Britton, righties Darren O’Day, Tommy Hunter and Ryan Webb, and lefties T.J. McFarland and free agent signing Wesley Wright is more than adequate.


2. RED SOX (83-79)

3. YANKEES (79-83)

WHY THEY’LL FINISH THIRD: As much as they’ve seemingly improved the bullpen and the defense, with Didi Gregorius replacing Derek Jeter at short, the Yankees need big comebacks and full seasons from Mark Teixeira and Carlos Beltran, as well as improvement from Brian McCann and a full productive year from Jacoby Ellsbury, if they are going to have any kind of offense this season. With neither Gregorius and (presumably) Stephen Drew at the bottom of the order likely to hit much better than .220, this could be one of the weakest Yankee lineups we’ve seen in years.


4. BLUE JAYS (78-84)


5. RAYS (60-102)

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Hi MW

You have a point. I think we need to hit rock bottom before we start seeing some rebuilding. I decided not to get too depressed over the results. What makes me upset is I had play off hopes before the season started. Facing the cold hard reality is ugly.

I'm not pleased with the start, but I expected an ugly year based on the age of the team and the big question marks of the pitching staff.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

NYM - 7-3
NYY - 3-6

Right on schedule....................

Lol.... After 9-10 games... Mets win the World Series!! Yay!!!
Just like a met fan.

Let's see where met fans are 2 weeks after all star break when they lose their perennial 9 out of 10 games...
It's not how you start... It's how you finish.

Panic in the Bronx yet?

While the Yankees may not do anything for a while. There is nothing to panic about.


The real question is... Did the orioles survive that monumental, colossal collapse of being swept last year?

 

[Tabascocat]

Lol.... After 9-10 games... Mets win the World Series!! Yay!!!
Just like a met fan.

Let's see where met fans are 2 weeks after all star break when they lose their perennial 9 out of 10 games...
It's not how you start... It's how you finish.

Yea, I am claiming us as the WS champs already

Us miserable Met fans can't enjoy a little early success now???