Will this be our starting DL vs Giants

[Denim Chicken]

If I'm Rod, I blitz them into the quick passing game and then start to drop guys in zone coverage and play the bend-don't-break model. They'll be expecting little pressure, so we need to bring it and force them into our game plan.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm starting to get nervous that Dak might get a reality check. Hope I'm wrong.

This is doing the Cowboys an actual favor. The team will know exactly where the new backup is at game time, and won't have to later do the proverbial jump through one's ***, later.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Why do I get the feeling this thread was really started as an...our defense sucks....thread.

That was 100% the reason.

On the upside we went RB in the 1st to cover for the defense even though we know rushing efficiency....nvm.

Let us pray.

 

[jobberone]

I suspect Irving with play on the strong and weak side some. He may move inside on passing downs in the nickel rush.

Many are unproven and their play will determine where and how much they play. And people tend to forget matchups. Some people play others well or not as well and that is a factor.

T McClain, the Crawfords and Thorton all have time in grade. I expect them to help anchor the line for the inexperienced guys. They have to stay healthy and the producers need some help to make the line better. I'm a firm believer in synergistic production from DLs. The whole can be greater or less than the sum.

If they can get some pressure without us having to blitz inordinately then we can hold down the fort until Lawrence returns and plays into shape.

There are just too many unknowns to predict how we will play on defense and the offense needs to take some load off this year. As well as getting a 10+ TO Diff.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

First and foremost, they have to stop the run. I think they can do that. Pass rush will be tough because Eli will be getting the ball out quickly. So, we need the LBs and CBs to play tight coverage and not get burned deep.

I would not expect a lot of pressure since Eli will probably be dinking and dunking and trying to hit slants and outs. I doubt there will be much opportunity for sacks even if the DL was stellar. Maybe they can get a little pressure.

I expect the 1st quarter to be the Giants testing their OL to see how much time they can give Eli and the Cowboys DL testing their DL to see if they can get some inside pressure with their DTs and not have to blitz. I think the key will be inside pressure. If McClain, T Crawford, and Thornton can generate some pressure inside, I think the DL should be good.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

janoris jenkins said today because of the giants front four dak will be on the run a lot.

he also mentioned how much they are planning to disguise what they are doing pre snap.

its only a matter of time before a giant player guarantees a win.

Pretty sure you beat em to it.

 

[Sydla]

First and foremost, they have to stop the run. I think they can do that. Pass rush will be tough because Eli will be getting the ball out quickly. So, we need the LBs and CBs to play tight coverage and not get burned deep.

I would not expect a lot of pressure since Eli will probably be dinking and dunking and trying to hit slants and outs. I doubt there will be much opportunity for sacks even if the DL was stellar. Maybe they can get a little pressure.

I expect the 1st quarter to be the Giants testing their OL to see how much time they can give Eli and the Cowboys DL testing their DL to see if they can get some inside pressure with their DTs and not have to blitz. I think the key will be inside pressure. If McClain, T Crawford, and Thornton can generate some pressure inside, I think the DL should be good.

I am hoping that run defense will be much improved this year with the additions of Thornton and, knock on wood, McClain staying healthy. Losing RoMac hurts as I think Hitchens is just an average LB but hopefully the guys in front of him will help out.

My whole issue with the defense, the thing I've been pounding on to the point where I am now painted as a negative ninny, is that I just worry about the DEs holding up....... mostly the passing game but I also wonder about them being able to consistently set the edge.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Mighty impressive, I think our defensive line will be exploited.

By the Giants bad OL? Pretty sure our DT's at the very least can get pressure up the middle. And Irving has shown signs in camp he can too.

 

[Idgit]

I am hoping that run defense will be much improved this year with the additions of Thornton and, knock on wood, McClain staying healthy. Losing RoMac hurts as I think Hitchens is just an average LB but hopefully the guys in front of him will help out.

My whole issue with the defense, the thing I've been pounding on to the point where I am now painted as a negative ninny, is that I just worry about the DEs holding up....... mostly the passing game but I also wonder about them being able to consistently set the edge.

We're going to get consistently below-average pressure from the DEs. At least until Lawrence is back. If they can set the edge, I think that will be ok since we ought to be able to get some push from the middle and at least the get QB off his spot. If we're playing more man and tackle well, everything will be contested, and eventually, the high powered DAL offense will make that pay off.

I worry, too, about our ability to set the edge in the running game. If we get a lot of what we got from guys like Russel in the preseason, we're in for another long season on defense. If guys maintain their responsibilities, we rotate well, and they all do what they're supposed to, the lack of edge pressure won't expose us until we play the really good teams. Then it's up to Marinelli to bring pressure from the DBs and the WIL and we'll see what happens.

The good news about the DL is that it's a fairly consistent group from top to bottom. Or from middle to middle, more like it. If the coverage is well and we have teams in disadvantageous situations all season, they'll look a lot better than they actually are.

And with our offensive personnel, we really ought to be able to put pressure on teams. Talent-wise, we're as solid as anybody in the league on offense. And we have the personnel to put pressure on teams all over the place. That's one thing Dak gives us in the interim that Tony doesn't. When you have good protection and a QB who can hurt you with his legs, this personnel group is really tough to match up with.

 

[xwalker]

I am hoping that run defense will be much improved this year with the additions of Thornton and, knock on wood, McClain staying healthy. Losing RoMac hurts as I think Hitchens is just an average LB but hopefully the guys in front of him will help out.

My whole issue with the defense, the thing I've been pounding on to the point where I am now painted as a negative ninny, is that I just worry about the DEs holding up....... mostly the passing game but I also wonder about them being able to consistently set the edge.

LDEs should be good against the run. Irving and Jack Crawford a big enough to play DT so DE shouldn't be a problem.

At RDE, Marinelli often lets them abandon run contain. The LBs have to set the edge when the RDE crashes down inside which seems to happen often.

 

[theebs]

Pretty sure you beat em to it.

Yep you got me.

I am actually sitting here in my brandon jacobs jersey.

 

[dfense]

So what you are saying is that Sunday is going to be a legendary battle of the titans? Their OL versus our DL?

I think the Cowboys Dline will show up bigger than you think.

 

[CWR]

Its a shame we cant bounce Crawford outside and keep Mclain, and Thorton on the field. But I guess he doesnt have the speed to play end.

 

[dfense]

Gregory has more talent in his pinkie than Crawford has in his entire body and I was projecting Gregory out without the issues.

Are we talking about rolling doobies? I heard Gregory's are pretty tight.

 

[Hardline]

As soon as Gregory and Lawrence come back you all expect to see pro bowl level performance out of two guys that never played beyond JAG level.

 

[Idgit]

As soon as Gregory and Lawrence come back you all expect to see pro bowl level performance out of two guys that never played beyond JAG level.

Lawrence was better than JAG.

Gregory, I agree. If we get anything at all out of him this season, I'd be pleasantly surprised. He seems like somebody who's dealing with the fallout of a lot more than a 4 game suspension, anyway.

 

[mattjames2010]

The bright side of this is, the Giants O-line is trash.

 

[ConceptCoop]

The guys on the Giants starting DL put up 9 sacks last year. Demarcus Lawrence nearly matched the enitre group. 9. Combined. Just because they're being paid elite money doesn't make them elite players. I'd take their DL over ours but you're projecting all of them to perform much better than they have before and to do so after getting paid. How many times has that happened?

Vernon had 7.5 and Lawrence had 8. Let's be a bit more objective. On top of that, Vernon was 2nd in the NFL in QB hits (behind only JJ Watt), third in tackles for a loss of all DEs, first in RB stuffs among DEs, 5th in total tackles among DEs.

Vernon > Lawrence
Harrison > Crawford
JPP > Irving
Hankins = Thornton

 

[Hardline]

Lawrence was better than JAG.

Gregory, I agree. If we get anything at all out of him this season, I'd be pleasantly surprised. He seems like somebody who's dealing with the fallout of a lot more than a 4 game suspension, anyway.

What has Lawrence done to get himself above JAG level?
I certainly haven't seen it. What this Cowboys defensive line is is nothing more than who's the tallest midget contest.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Vernon had 7.5 and Lawrence had 8. Let's be a bit more objective. On top of that, Vernon was 2nd in the NFL in QB hits (behind only JJ Watt), third in tackles for a loss of all DEs, first in RB stuffs among DEs, 5th in total tackles among DEs.

Vernon > Lawrence
Harrison > Crawford
JPP > Irving
Hankins = Thornton

Quoting numbers is as objective as you can get. >>> Is the opposite of objective. In terms of sacks the Giants protected starters on the DL had 6 fewer sacks than the Cowboys projected starters on the DL. That's a fact. Everything else is subjective.