Williams a liability?

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Just kicking this around for more draft talk. It seems Roy Williams is more of a liability in the defensive backfield than anything else. He does get burned quite a bit and is only really good when he's up close to the line ... when he doesn't horsecollar other players.

IMHO, I would keep the two first round picks we have and draft a solid safety first, then either take a corner or an RB with the second pick. Could even take an RB in the second or third round.

Another option is to trade the second #1 to the Cards for Fitzgerald.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Roy Williams was discussed on the Ranch Report about an hour ago.

Mickey stated that we gave him a $11 million SB and guys like that are here for 3-4 years.

Roy is not going anywhere.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

Roy Williams was discussed on the Ranch Report about an hour ago.

Mickey stated that we gave him a $11 million SB and guys like that are here for 3-4 years.

Roy is not going anywhere.

I just threw up. Bet Jerruh is too.

 

[tomson75]

I take it you didn't get anything for christmas. There's no other explanation as to why anyone would start this thread. Personally, I'd **** in your stocking too.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I take it you didn't get anything for christmas. There's no other explanation as to why anyone would start this thread. Personally, I'd **** in your stocking too.

So wanting to discuss upgrading a position isn't a good reason to start a thread? You must not have anything else to do in life. What other explanation would there be for you to join a thread that you obviously don't agree with. Go sip on some more egg nog, my friend. You take this stuff way too serious.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm interested in seeing how Roy responds this coming game after the suspension. I think Roy is capable of playing better than he has this season so it would not shock me to see Roy making some big plays for this team. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he will turn into some great cover man but by and large most SS are not great cover men which is why teams try and create matchups against the SS with TE and wideouts. What Roy is capable of doing though is making the big plays which he has done for most of his career and I hope to see that ability from Roy show up.

 

[Rackat]

TDP, Don't mind mick, it's just that the 10,000 other Roy threads have discussed everything about the situation ad nauseum.

S'ok mick, I'm sure the OP didn't see any other Roy threads in the last 16 weeks. But if he wants to start a JJ versus Barber thread, we should just bust a cap in him.

 

[peplaw06]

So wanting to discuss upgrading a position isn't a good reason to start a thread? You must not have anything else to do in life. What other explanation would there be for you to join a thread that you obviously don't agree with. Go sip on some more egg nog, my friend. You take this stuff way too serious.

Who exactly are you going to upgrade the SS position with?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

TDP, Don't mind mick, it's just that the 10,000 other Roy threads have discussed everything about the situation ad nauseum.

S'ok mick, I'm sure the OP didn't see any other Roy threads in the last 16 weeks. But if he wants to start a JJ versus Barber thread, we should just bust a cap in him.

You Tomson75?

I have absolutely no problem with him starting this thread.

 

[StevenOtero]

If we tried to merge all the Roy Williams threads this board might crash.

 

[03EBZ06]

Who exactly are you going to upgrade the SS position with?

All these get rid of or replace Roy threads baffles me.



OP...How many SS' have great coverage skills or doesn't get beat by receivers?

The fact is, Roy is our best SS and he isn't as bad as some make him out to be, heck even coaches and players believe he is one of the better SS, hence his trip to Hawaii.

He is not going anywhere nor getting replaced anytime soon.

 

[peplaw06]

All these get rid of or replace Roy threads baffles me.

OP...How many SS' have great coverage skills or doesn't get beat by receivers?

The fact is, Roy is our best SS and he isn't as bad as some make him out to be, heck even coaches and players believe he is one of the better SS, hence his trip to Hawaii.

He is not going anywhere nor getting replaced anytime soon.

It doesn't baffle me at all with some of the people we see on this board.

It's easy to think you're a genius and say we need to upgrade the SS position. It's quite another to put your opinion on the line with an actual name of someone who could replace Roy and actually BE an upgrade. You'll notice, no one will ever name someone who would fit the bill.

We have a Top 5 SS in the league, and the odds of upgrading that position without giving up a lot in a trade are astronomical. All of the SS you might rank above Roy have their warts too. There is no perfect SS in the league right now.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I'm interested in seeing how Roy responds this coming game after the suspension. I think Roy is capable of playing better than he has this season so it would not shock me to see Roy making some big plays for this team. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he will turn into some great cover man but by and large most SS are not great cover men which is why teams try and create matchups against the SS with TE and wideouts. What Roy is capable of doing though is making the big plays which he has done for most of his career and I hope to see that ability from Roy show up.

Roy Williams is currently marginal, at best, in coverage. His recent play has demonstrated that. But he was always excellent against the run, until this season where he has shown a slide in his game. It may be "in his head", after being pulled from coverage duties why this run slide has occurred.

Maybe the suspension has done him some good because up until now he has been stubborn about admitting his shortcomings, which has kept him from addressing them. More importantly, maybe hearing some of his teammates and team leaders speak out against him, with respect to these shortcomings, has finally opened his eyes, so that he does at least address the skid he has shown against the run.

All in all, I'm hoping he lets go of his stubbornness and addresses these; that he comes back strong against the run, and eventually works his way back into some coverage units. Roy Williams has pro-bowl ability. He just needs to start playing to that level again, which he can if he works hard enough at getting back to form.

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[Bungarian]

Mods

Can we please sticky a roy complain thread at the top so that the board is not over ran with them?

 

[cowboyed]

All these get rid of or replace Roy threads baffles me.



OP...How many SS' have great coverage skills or doesn't get beat by receivers?

The fact is, Roy is our best SS and he isn't as bad as some make him out to be, heck even coaches and players believe he is one of the better SS, hence his trip to Hawaii.

He is not going anywhere nor getting replaced anytime soon.

Sure there are a good number SS's that don't gave great coverage skills. But let's put it in perspective. Roy was a first round top ten pick and being currently in his prime he should be getting better not worse. It seems that when Roy covers - critical third down conversions, huge gains or a touchdown are soon realized by the opposition. When he came on board with the Cowboys Roy at least was adequate in coverage, but he has gotten tangibly worse, to the point he isn't inserted in certain coverage packages anymore.

His past strong point has been consistently delivering fierce hits, overpowering and heady tackling but now you only see some of that on occasion. As of late he increasingly takes poor angles and doesn't even wrap up properly. This a a guy who should be getting better, not worse. Roy is in his prime and should be a dominating presence on the field.

Jerry gave him the extension and a huge increase in compensation so you would expect Roy to at least play at the level when he got into the league. Of course that hasn't been the case and as a key player that really hurts our defense from a mid-field and near line of scrimmage attacking or containment standpoint.

But what do you expect from a guy that has publically declared football is not his long term career interest and who has admitted to holding back on the field.

It is not just the fans who are obsessed with his perceived regression or apathy but you hear it from sportswriters, analysts, coaches and opposing players. Can they all be wrong and Roy's diminishing faction of fans right?

 

[superpunk]

This thread is the first of it's kind.

Why draft a safety when we can replace Roy with Hamlin and have Watkins man the FS spot? He's about 87 feet tall and has the ability to shoot lightning bolts out his ***. I mean, if we're gonna get crazy, let's get coke-fiend-crazy.

 

[Mavs Man]

It doesn't baffle me at all with some of the people we see on this board.

It's easy to think you're a genius and say we need to upgrade the SS position. It's quite another to put your opinion on the line with an actual name of someone who could replace Roy and actually BE an upgrade. You'll notice, no one will ever name someone who would fit the bill.

We have a Top 5 SS in the league, and the odds of upgrading that position without giving up a lot in a trade are astronomical. All of the SS you might rank above Roy have their warts too. There is no perfect SS in the league right now.

The obvious solution is to clone Darren Woodson and Charlie Waters into a Super SS! Maybe even put in a dash of Ronnie Lott while you're at it.

We are already reaping the benefits of the Troy Aikman/Roger Staubach cloning experiment (see #9 on the roster), with bits of Elway, Montana, Namath, and Favre thrown in for flavoring.

 

[03EBZ06]

Sure there are a good number SS's that don't gave great coverage skills. But let's put it in perspective. Roy was a first round top ten pick and being currently in his prime he should be getting better not worse. It seems that when Roy covers critical third down conversions, huge gains or a touchdown are soon realized. When he came on board with the Cowboys Roy at least was adequate in coverage, but he has gotten tangibly worse, to the point he isn't inserted in certain coverage packages anymore.

His past strong point has been consistently delivering fierce hits, overpowering and heady tackling but now you only see some of that on occasion. As of late he increasingly takes poor angles and doesn't even wrap up properly. This a a guy who should be getting better, not worse. Roy is in his prime and should be a dominating presence on the field.

Jerry gave him the extension and a huge increase in compensation so you would expect Roy to at least play at the level when he got into the league. Of course that hasn't been the case and as a key player that really hurts our defense from a mid-field and near line of scrimmage attacking or containment standpoint.

But what do you expect from a guy that has publically declared football is not his long term career interest and who has admitted to holding back on the field.

That's all fine and dandy but again, how many other SS has great coverage skills? Who are you going to replace him with?

It is not just the fans who are obsessed with his perceived regression or apathy but you hear it from sportswriters, analysts, coaches and opposing players. Can they all be wrong and Roy's diminishing faction of fans right?

The same coaches and players voted for him to play in Hawaii? In my mind, the coaches and players actions speaks louder than fans and analysts.

 

[tomson75]

You Tomson75?

I have absolutely no problem with him starting this thread.

Riiight, becasue we haven't had one of these threads in what....four hours.

 

[Mavs Man]

This thread is the first of it's kind.

Why draft a safety when we can replace Roy with Hamlin and have Watkins man the FS spot? He's about 87 feet tall and has the ability to shoot lightning bolts out his ***. I mean, if we're gonna get crazy, let's get coke-fiend-crazy.