Williams' Fumble on the Kickoff

[cajuncocoa]

To me that's another week of us having to overcome a scoring play by the opposing team. Maybe its the homer in me and maybe it was too close to overturn but there is now ay you can tell me that his knee wasn't down.

Everyone watching at my house (and none of them except me being Cowboy fans) thought his knee was down.

 

[percyhoward]

Because two different tape ops are rolling the replays. Hard to sync roll with two individuals doing the EVS playback.

I find it hard to believe that both replays can't be synched to the time of day.

Or just start both replays at the same time, no matter what time it is. One individual could do that, you know.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Should not have brought it out, .. should hold on to the ball, .. and he was down.

 

[nalam]

Looked down for me too, but the call was a fumble, so they clearly had to go with that ,not enough evidence.

 

[Plankton]

I find it hard to believe that both replays can't be synched to the time of day.

Or just start both replays at the same time, no matter what time it is. One individual could do that, you know.

Trust me - with two humans rolling it (the playbacks are not automated), syncing it is not an exact science.

Starting the replays at the same time requires finding the same time code, and have both playback ops hit play at exactly the same time. Not as simple as it sounds.

 

[percyhoward]

Because two different tape ops are rolling the replays. Hard to sync roll with two individuals doing the EVS playback.

Studio master synch generators usually derive their timing from an atomic clock. How is this different?

 

[Bay10]

I thought his knee was down. He doesn't look comfortable returning kicks to me though, which being his first time is not surprising.

 

[xwalker]

I worked on a project 10 years ago that captured video from multiple sources and kept it in time sync. It was used for failure analysis in manufacturing plants.

It shouldn't be very difficult with today's technology and the resources of the Television networks.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I've never understood why they don't synch the replays so that you can see the position of the knee being down in one shot, and the strip of the ball in the other shot.

Another bad call by the refs. That should have been overturned. I'm hating how refs cannot see obvious fouls against our team and yet they call everything against us. If you folks don't think refs aren't calling it one sided against the boys, I'd like to sell you some land on the moon.

 

[Plankton]

Studio master synch generators usually derive their timing from an atomic clock. How is this different?

Master sync generators are equipment.

Playback ops are human beings.

 

[cowboys2233]

Unfortunately the initial ruling was clearly WRONG. Why the man in the booth couldn't see that is beyond me.

Yup, and the one camera angle did show that he was clearly down, so it was certainly not a matter of not having indisputable evidence. Oh well, what are you gonna do? This team stresses me out enough, I don't have the energy to dwell on these pitiful rulings.

 

[percyhoward]

Master sync generators are equipment.

Playback ops are human beings.

Yes, the point is you don't need human beings.

 

[Plankton]

Yes, the point is you don't need human beings.

Tell that to NABET, IBEW or IATSE

 

[ryanbabs]

I was at the game and they blew this up for everyone and it was not a fumble. These refs are totally stupid. There were also several holding calls missed on Demarcus Ware as usual. I honestly don't understand these refs. It's totally rediculous and I hope the team at least tries to address it to the league.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Yup, and the one camera angle did show that he was clearly down, so it was certainly not a matter of not having indisputable evidence.

True that.

 

[percyhoward]

Tell that to NABET, IBEW or IATSE

That doesn't explain anything.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Didn't see it, but Sham and Laufenberg were talking about how the call could have went either way and it would be hard to overturn without indisputable evidence. If it was close, then the refs made the right call to stick with their initial ruling.

It was close but I thought there was enough on the replay to overturn it. But if I was a Raiders fan i'd probably be PO'd if they overturned it. I just ask myself though if they had called him down and no fumble would they have overturned that one? I feel like they would've.

Everyone watching at my house (and none of them except me being Cowboy fans) thought his knee was down.

That's exactly what it looked like from my viewpoint.

 

[Plankton]

That doesn't explain anything.

They are the trade unions that the technicians who roll the replays back are represented by.

The crews who work football games belong to unions such as those I listed.

And, you will always need people for these functions. Even if a sync generator (which is more used for reference in a TV setting, not for timing purposes on playback - that's fed by a time code generator) is in play, someone is going to have to cue up the video for it to be played back.

You have a problem with how replays are done. What you propose is a fair point. All I am doing is pointing out where there could be some difficulties.

 

[percyhoward]

They are the trade unions that the technicians who roll the replays back are represented by.

The crews who work football games belong to unions such as those I listed.

And, you will always need people for these functions. Even if a sync generator (which is more used for reference in a TV setting, not for timing purposes on playback - that's fed by a time code generator) is in play, someone is going to have to cue up the video for it to be played back.

You have a problem with how replays are done. What you propose is a fair point. All I am doing is pointing out where there could be some difficulties.

Fair enough, and the information is appreciated.

 

[cowboyvic]

I've never understood why they don't synch the replays so that you can see the position of the knee being down in one shot, and the strip of the ball in the other shot.

The replay was as clear as night and day. Williams knee was down before that ball came out.. that was another BS call. just like the one last week.