Williams' Fumble on the Kickoff

[T-RO]

I've never understood why they don't synch the replays so that you can see the position of the knee being down in one shot, and the strip of the ball in the other shot.

That assumes that they *want* to get the call right. I think the league was fully satisfied to spot Oak 7 points in that situation (and not because they hate Dallas).

 

[T-RO]

Fair enough, and the information is appreciated.

The NFL and MLB have devised all types of innovations. Camera-sync-timing-would be far easier than most of these things. The league just likes to maintain it's ability to engineer results. Of course the easiest are high discretionary holding and b-i-t-b calls.

 

[cowboyvic]

I was at the game and they blew this up for everyone and it was not a fumble. These refs are totally stupid. There were also several holding calls missed on Demarcus Ware as usual. I honestly don't understand these refs. It's totally rediculous and I hope the team at least tries to address it to the league.

That's bad enough that it was not a fumble.but for the replay ref to look at it and still give Oakland a TD is a joke and a disgrace.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

That's bad enough that it was not a fumble.but for the replay ref to look at it and still give Oakland a TD is a joke and a disgrace.

This.

 

[cowboyvic]

This.

It has to stop. because if it does not stop it is going to cost us the playoffs. mark my word on this.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

It has to stop. because if it does not stop it is going to cost us the playoffs. mark my word on this.

I thought it was pretty obvious he was down.

 

[cowboyvic]

I thought it was pretty obvious he was down.

It was.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Interesting. It was clear to me on seeing the replays that they wouldn't have evidence to overturn because that evidence didn't exist, and everyone in the chat at that time pretty much felt the same way. I have no idea where all this "obviously" stuff is coming from.

 

[percyhoward]

Interesting. It was clear to me on seeing the replays that they wouldn't have evidence to overturn because that evidence didn't exist, and everyone in the chat at that time pretty much felt the same way. I have no idea where all this "obviously" stuff is coming from.

If you've got a clear shot of the knee, and a clear shot of the ball, it shouldn't matter that they don't happen to be the same shot.

 

[coult44]

T Will looked nervous, scared, and dumb all at the same time on that play. The call should have went the way it did because of that alone..

 

[XxTDxX]

He shouldn't be returning kicks in the first place.. He isn't a player that is good with the ball in his hands so it really makes no sense to me.. Should have been Dunbar or even Randle

 

[ConstantReboot]

I was at the game and they blew this up for everyone and it was not a fumble. These refs are totally stupid. There were also several holding calls missed on Demarcus Ware as usual. I honestly don't understand these refs. It's totally rediculous and I hope the team at least tries to address it to the league.

Refs have been calling it very one-sided against the Boys. I wish that Garrett would have the balls to address this issue. But he is nothing more than a robot that stands around on the sidelines. D. Ware was held many times and no call. Andre Holmes also pushed quite a bit and no call. That catch and fumble by Bryant was incomplete and yet they called it a fumble. So many blown calls. So many calls thats so one-sided against the Boys. Jerry needs to speak up.

 

[ConstantReboot]

T Will looked nervous, scared, and dumb all at the same time on that play. The call should have went the way it did because of that alone..

LOL just because a player looks nervous and scared the refs has the right to blow a call? Your logic is whack.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

T Will looked nervous, scared, and dumb all at the same time on that play. The call should have went the way it did because of that alone..

I don't agree but damn this is a funny post.

 

[Blast From The Past]

He looked down to me.

The one replay clearly showed he had the ball in his arms securely and his one knee planted into the turf. How could the ref not overturn that? It looked conclusive on my TV.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

The one replay clearly showed he had the ball in his arms securely and his one knee planted into the turf. How could the ref not overturn that? It looked conclusive on my TV.

It was conclusive. Those arguing otherwise just like to argue.

 

[dragon_mikal]

I knew they weren't going to overturn it even though it was clearly not a fumble. The refs are horrible and have been for a while.

The obvious hold on Ware that occurred right in front of an official that wasn't called made me want to put my fist through a wall.

 

[gimmesix]

OK, here's my two cents after finally getting to watch the return over and over.

Williams had his right hand cupping the nose of the football when his knee hit the ground, so he should have been ruled down. It is difficult to maintain that grip on the ball if the ball is loose. However, because the back of the ball cannot be seen, it could be a sliver of doubt that he had full control over it.

I could see the officials overturning that call, though, because of Williams' hand placement on the nose, but can understand to some degree why they didn't.

If he had been ruled down on the play, there is no doubt the call would have stood.

That's probably the primary problem with instant replay: There are times the officials are willing to let the play continue instead of blowing it dead because they know they can look at it on replay. But replay gives the benefit of the doubt to the call on the field instead of what the initial ruling should have been. If the officials had seen the play clearly they wouldn't have called a fumble because the evidence didn't support it.

 

[Cowboysfan1975]

Didn't see it, but Sham and Laufenberg were talking about how the call could have went either way and it would be hard to overturn without indisputable evidence. If it was close, then the refs made the right call to stick with their initial ruling.

The problem is there was indisputable evidence. If you watch the replay it clearly showed TWs knee down with the defenders hand ON the ball, but it clearly hadn't even started to come loose at that point. Having said that, it was a pretty weak strip in the first place and Williams CAN NOT let that happen. You know they are going to try to strip the ball and he has to secure that above anything else.

 

[JoeCorrado]

Stupid decision to run it out in the first place.

In a nutshell. No reason to attempt a return from that deep in your end zone to begin with. He should have simply taken a knee.

Root cause analysis... lack of training. LOL