"Win-or-go-home" from a team point of view

[superpunk]

I'm giving you my opinion you're telling me your opinion is right and mine is wrong? LOL

Your opinion is not based on reality.

 

[KJJ]

Let me know how that turns out for you. Until then we'll go with the research that has actually been done - Romo loses more games where he posts an elite-level performance (90+ QB rating) than anyone in the league - by far.

And when he actually plays poorly (at about the same rate as Tom Brady does), he wins far less games than the corresponding QB.

Some of his 90+ passer rating games include turnovers. He had a 101.9 passer rating vs the Jets in 2011 on opening night and his 2 turnovers helped cost the Cowboys the game. He even pinned that loss on himself.

 

[dstovall5]

Let me know how that turns out for you. Until then we'll go with the research that has actually been done - Romo loses more games where he posts an elite-level performance (90+ QB rating) than anyone in the league - by far.

And when he actually plays poorly (at about the same rate as Tom Brady does), he wins far less games than the corresponding QB.

Surely this has nothing to do with the TEAM around Romo, right? Geee Romo, you shouldn't of thrown that 1 interception! Let's forget about the 4 TDs you threw, and also lets forget about the defense giving up 30+ points.

 

[KJJ]

Your opinion is not based on reality.

All my opinions are based on reality unlike most Cowboy FANS who base their opinions on hope, wishful thinking and fantasy football.

 

[superpunk]

Surely this has nothing to do with the TEAM around Romo, right? Geee Romo, you shouldn't of thrown that 1 interception! Let's forget about the 4 TDs you threw, and also lets forget about the defense giving up 30+ points.

Yup. The agenda coming through loud and clear.

 

[dstovall5]

Yup. The agenda coming through loud and clear.

 

[superpunk]

Some of his 90+ passer rating games include turnovers. He had a 101.9 passer rating vs the Jets in 2011 on opening night and his 2 turnovers helped cost the Cowboys the game. He even pinned that loss on himself.

Like I said let me know when you get done with your research. As it stands what I've looked up destroys your premise, and you tossing out random games (where we were only in a bad situation because we had a blocked punt returned for a TD no less) doesn't further the discussion at all.

 

[KJJ]

Like I said let me know when you get done with your research. As it stands what I've looked up destroys your premise, and you tossing out random games (where we were only in a bad situation because we had a blocked punt returned for a TD no less) doesn't further the discussion at all.

Nothing has destroyed my premise that a QB who has more turnovers than TD's in postseason wins very few games.

 

[superpunk]

 

[KJJ]

Like I said let me know when you get done with your research.

You brought it up you do the research.

 

[superpunk]

You brought it up you do the research.

It could be because no QB in the NFL that's posted a 90+ passer rating has more turnovers especially ill-timed turnovers than Romo. I haven't researched it but that could explain at least part of the reason why.

 

[Aurican]

Romo has proven he can win when everything is going well but it's unrealistic to expect a perfect team to be built around him especially with his cap figure. Basically if you are going to pay him to be a top QB and put the money and draft picks on offense for him to be productive you can't also expect to have a top defense as well. He will have to carry the team, his job is to carry the team he has had good defenses in the past and he has failed, we will see about the future.

 

[KJJ]

Romo loses more games where he posts an elite-level performance (90+ QB rating) than anyone in the league - by far.

Like I said you brought it up. A 101.9 passer rating is an elite level performance on paper but it doesn't tell you the whole story that 2 turnovers one coming with less than a minute to go in the game cost the Cowboys a win vs a team led by Mark Sanchez.

 

[dstovall5]

Romo has proven he can win when everything is going well but it's unrealistic to expect a perfect team to be built around him especially with his cap figure. Basically if you are going to pay him to be a top QB and put the money and draft picks on offense for him to be productive you can't also expect to have a top defense as well. He will have to carry the team, his job is to carry the team he has had good defenses in the past and he has failed, we will see about the future.

Is it unrealistic to expect a rushing game to be better then 31st rushing in the league? Is it unrealistic to ask for an o-line that's not one of the worst in the league? Is it unrealistic to ask for a defense that can get some turnovers and not be ranked in the bottom half as well? Is it realistic to ask our passing offense to carry this team even more when they're already in the top half of the league? If you think people are expecting a "perfect team to be be built around him" then you're way off base, because no one here is asking that. People just want a running game/o-line that can be average or better, and a defense that can create turn overs. I honestly don't think that's too much to ask for, but I guess I could be the minority here.

If our running game, o-line, and defense were just AVERAGE last year, then we most likely WALK into the playoffs.

 

[KJJ]

Romo has proven he can win when everything is going well but it's unrealistic to expect a perfect team to be built around him especially with his cap figure. Basically if you are going to pay him to be a top QB and put the money and draft picks on offense for him to be productive you can't also expect to have a top defense as well. He will have to carry the team, his job is to carry the team he has had good defenses in the past and he has failed, we will see about the future.

Yes he has as we saw against Philly in the 09 playoffs. Unfortunately things aren't always going to go well playing good teams in the playoffs. To win a championship a QB has to come through in adverse situations.

 

[Section446]

That's cool...Romo did play a part in those games as well. But that's not indicative of his whole play. Plus, those games were last year, and why that plays a part this coming year is beyond me. Why..?

There are more things on the team that need fixed, Romo's not one of them.

I disagree, Romo is definitely one of the problems.

 

[Aurican]

Is it unrealistic to expect a rushing game to be better then 31st rushing in the league? Is it unrealistic to ask for an o-line that's not one of the worst in the league? Is it unrealistic to ask for a defense that can get some turnovers and not be ranked in the bottom half as well? Is it realistic to ask our passing offense to carry this team even more when they're already in the top half of the league? If you think people are expecting a "perfect team to be be built around him" then you're way off base, because no one here is asking that. People just want a running game/o-line that can be average or better, and a defense that can create turn overs. I honestly don't think that's too much to ask for, but I guess I could be the minority here.

If our running game, o-line, and defense were just AVERAGE last year, then we most likely WALK into the playoffs.

Was last year the first year Romo played? Could have fooled me I thought he has been on teams with exactly what you are asking for and has failed to get it done. You are convinced with an average running game and defense Romo gets in the playoffs but what about a Superbowl?

 

[dstovall5]

Was last year the first year Romo played?

Not at all, and Romo performed well as usual during the season(still a down year). Romo did have his usual couple of games were he didn't show up, but every QB in this league has bad games. Just they actually have a team to pick up that slack when their QB isn't performing, and with Dallas you can just forget about it. For the past couple years it's just been that, not much help from the supporting cast.

You are convinced with an average running game and defense Romo gets in the playoffs but what about a Superbowl?

What about the Superbowl? Anything can happen once you get in. I sure as heck would've rather of been in the playoffs and had a chance at a superbowl, instead of not even making it into the playoffs.

So you honestly believe that if we got more support from our running game and our defense last year we still don't make the playoffs?

 

[jobberone]

Most turnovers fall on the QB not all but most. If a QB is repeatedly turning the ball over they're giving the opposition an extra scoring opportunity and putting their own defense in a tough situation in some cases forcing them to have to defend a short field. Postseason pressure can cause some QB's to fold and all it takes is a rocky QB to cause an offense to lose their rhythm and become out of synch. Turnover differentials may be a team stat but QB's have a TD to turnover ratio and it speaks volumes for how a team performs in the postseason.

Flacco clearly held the Ravens back in 08 and 09. He wasn't generating points and turning the ball over. The Ravens team that won the SB last Feb wasn't as good a team as the Ravens teams that lost title games in 08 and 09. What got the Ravens over the hump last season was Flacco's postseason performance that included an 11-0 TD to turnover ratio.

I don't actually know how many turnovers are attributed to the QBs of the league in toto. Don't care. There are many ways to turn the ball over on either offense or STs which you are ignoring. There are ways to not get turnovers on D and then you're also ignoring turnovers caused by your defense. It is turnover differential we're talking about which is a team stat. Of course if your QB has no pocket presence and is getting hit with fumbles or strips, throwing INTs constantly that are on him, and mishandling snaps and handoffs then you have a turnover machine in the negative sense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that or measure it.

Since Romo's INT% is around 2.5 then he's not excessively turning the ball over although no one who watches the Cowboys are going to argue that Romo needs to protect the ball better. I've stated his INT% needs to be about 1/2 that. And he's had better seasons and his stats, like Brady, have improved over time.

But I feel you are going down with the ship on this one and I don't have much to add further.

 

[jobberone]

Once more let's not take personal shots at other members. This is still a good thread but it will be closed unless people get back on topic without making things personal.