Winning more important to the fans

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Considering how people flip out after a loss .. any loss .. in any season .. no matter the record, I would say most fans today only care about winning and losing. If the Cowboys win several games in a row, every player should win the MVP and Garrett/Linehan should be Coach/Asst.Coach of the Year. Lose a game and those awards are an afterthought. Lose two games and players should be benched/cut and coaches should be fired.

I am not judging fans as we all react and support our favorite teams in our own ways, but overall, I would say most fans care more about winning and losing more so than in years past. Maybe it's the short attention spans most people have now, but if your team wins, everyone involved is great. If your team loses, not so much.

I see that but frankly I think that has more to do with the internet and chat rooms/message boards where people are putting their views out there and tend to have their ego' s challenged which only causes many to dig in even deeper.
 

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Athletes have mental and/or physical skills that separate them from the vast majority of people who want to play professional sports. Professional football players are not some ALIEN race sent here from outer space to entertain us three days a week and sometimes in London and Mexico. They are people just like everyone else.

Many players care about winning and losing just as passionately as everybody else. Some people don't care about winning and losing. Guess what? Some players don't also.

Perhaps this question should be tabled until Vulcans come to Earth and start playing sports. :)
 

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Of course they want to win. But, if a player gets drafted by the Browns right now, he's going to lose, but he's got to play anyway, and play well to keep his job.
 

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Most fans are passionate about the team they follow. Do you feel players of today care as much about winning & losing?

I think a lot of fans delude themselves into thinking they care more about winning than guys who spend all year training, lifting, running, and putting their bodies on the line in games.

Are there some players who make "business decisions" old time guys did not? I think so. The old timers needed every check. Some players today are set financially early on, some before they play a game. But those guys are the exceptions. Look at the players who have their money, a guy like Terrell Suggs, playing with basically one arm due to injury. Why? Because careers are short and he wants to win another championship.
 

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I think it matters to some of the players and I think there are some who don't care.

I think you see that with Free Agency. When players sign with teams that are awful, because they're the team offering the most money, you know that they don't care about winning. They're in it for the money only.

I also think FA has ruined rivalries to some degree because players don't stay entire careers in one place. They don't foster the same hatred for other teams, and their players, because they may be playing for that team, or with those guys, in the future.

I think there are still players that it really matters to but I have no doubt there are plenty of players who simply do not care.
 

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So because they are friends with other players and don't have a hatred over a game, they don't care about winning?

This logic makes zero sense.
When you hate someone you go all out. If I hated you, I not only would want to beat you, I'd want to embarrass you and try my hardest every play to knock you out and hurt you permanently.

This is true on all levels of sports. Even in college intramurals, you play a team you hate you're gonna dirty shot them. Go for knees give a little extra.

Sorry it doesn't make sense to you. If I hate you and we play monopoly, you turn your head and I'm stealing money

Haven't you ever sparred someone in boxing or mma that you hated. Most of the time,it has to be broken up
 

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Only non alpha males can't understand the correlation between hate and competition. I'm at buffet right now,and I refuse to let this homie next to me out eat me. Not today, not any day. Tap out homie I ain't quitting
 

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I think the way the game is regulated these days has a lot to do with the new dynamics. You don't have as much of the violent dirty plays that are going to lead to hatred, compared to 20 years ago. Look at the Titans / Broncos game, I don't think too many players on those teams are hugging after the game.


Remember that jets #99 defensive player Mark Gastineau? That dude generated the hate pretty much league wide.

Also, I'm positive our defense damn sure wanted to win last Sunday night, after the DEZ BRYANT fumble and the gnats had the ball on our 3 yard line, you could tell(I could anyway) OUR defense went out there and was like "ain't no way in hells fire are you **ks running that ball in on US",,, THE GNATS took the knee,,,,now, nobody pulls crap like that anymore, buddy Ryan would be my last memory of anybody truly stirring up the hate caldron by running up the score,,, prolly cuz teams don't let that **** fly next time they meet.
 
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When you hate someone you go all out. If I hated you, I not only would want to beat you, I'd want to embarrass you and try my hardest every play to knock you out and hurt you permanently.

This is true on all levels of sports. Even in college intramurals, you play a team you hate you're gonna dirty shot them. Go for knees give a little extra.

Sorry it doesn't make sense to you. If I hate you and we play monopoly, you turn your head and I'm stealing money

Haven't you ever sparred someone in boxing or mma that you hated. Most of the time,it has to be broken up
You and the ROO :lmao2:
 

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So because they are friends with other players and don't have a hatred over a game, they don't care about winning?

This logic makes zero sense.

Yup. Of course these guys care A LOT more than we do. And we're all buddy-buddy with our friends who are fans of other teams after games.
 

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Only non alpha males can't understand the correlation between hate and competition. I'm at buffet right now,and I refuse to let this homie next to me out eat me. Not today, not any day. Tap out homie I ain't quitting

Alphas don't need to talk about being alpha; and hatred has nothing to do with it.
 

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Alphas don't need to talk about being alpha; and hatred has nothing to do with it.
Yeah alphas love talking bout being alpha and we love talking bout ourselves in the third person.
:dance::dance::dance:

Hatred is everything. The angrier you are the harder you hit. Trust me. the angrier I get the heavier I lift and the harder I hit and the less pain I feel. It's wierd almost like a super power
 

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Yeah alphas love talking bout being alpha and we love talking bout ourselves in the third person.
:dance::dance::dance:

Hatred is everything. The angrier you are the harder you hit. Trust me. the angrier I get the heavier I lift and the harder I hit and the less pain I feel. It's wierd almost like a super power

Just my humble opinion, but you don't come off as alpha to me.


Anyway: Maybe hatred does that for you. Not all people react the same and have the same motivation.

And get some help for that hatred. Life's too short and it will only make it shorter.
 

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It's a rare athlete who's able to perform at the very highest levels without caring about winning and losing. But the same temperament that drives them to compete and work hard probably has helped them evolve a successful next-play attitude about competition. Getting angry is natural. But it doesn't help anything. Staying angry for hours and writing a three-page screed to work out complex feelings after losses that happen one out of three games in even successful seasons is something else. It's non-productive. But there are a lot of people walking around with non-productive tendencies in all sorts of areas of their lives.

For a lot of fans, though, maybe all of us, football is escapism. It's frustrating when you don't have that comfortable place to escape to after a win each week. We're not winning or losing personally. We're rooting for a pleasant distraction. So when that gets taken away because Terrence Williams didn't get out of bounds or Dez dropped a catch, we internalize it and then project. It's tempting to do.

Those emotional reactions can get in the way of an accurate analysis of what's going on with the team. To some, that's probably not a big deal because they don't watch primarily to try to figure out how the team can improve. They just watch for the action and the wins. For some of us, building a football team is like a puzzle, and it's almost more fun to watch the tweaks and to test theories over the course of a season or seasons than it is to get wrapped up in the individual games. If you're looking at it like a puzzle, the games are the experiments and the temptation to get angry over a failed experiment in series just isn't the same.
 

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Just my humble opinion, but you don't come off as alpha to me.


Anyway: Maybe hatred does that for you. Not all people react the same and have the same motivation.

And get some help for that hatred. Life's too short and it will only make it shorter.
:facepalm::facepalm:lol. Sure whatever makes you feel better. I'm so alpha they movies bout me son

If you met me you'd know but I prolly wouldnt acknowledge you in public. But that's ok if you work hard you can get to another level. Just keep grinding.
 
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:facepalm::facepalm:lol. Sure whatever makes you feel better. I'm so alpha they movies bout me son

If you met me you'd know but I prolly wouldnt acknowledge you in public. But that's ok if you work hard you can get to another level. Just keep grinding.

From my experience, there are talkers and doers--and they rarely overlap. To use your movie metaphor: Talkers are the loud villains in Eastwood flicks; doers are Eastwood in Eastwood flicks. Talkers are not Alpha.
 

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From my experience, there are talkers and doers--and they rarely overlap. To use your movie metaphor: Talkers are the loud villains in Eastwood flicks; doers are Eastwood in Eastwood flicks. Talkers are not Alpha.
Yeah right. Like Conner mcgregor,
From my experience, there are talkers and doers--and they rarely overlap. To use your movie metaphor: Talkers are the loud villains in Eastwood flicks; doers are Eastwood in Eastwood flicks. Talkers are not Alpha.
lol how old are you. Clint Eastwood? Isn't he dead. Let me break it down to you like this :

Alpha male talkers: Conner McGreggor, Floyd Mayweather, Bruce Lee ( yes his master IP didn't want to teach him at first cause he was too arrogant), Ray Lewis, Tupac, Suge Knight,Mike Tyson, TO. Good lord the list goes on and on.

It's a new era. Yes there are still alphas to wanna keep quiet, low profile, ect. But there are just as many that talk. This isn't old school anymore

But as always you are definitely entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to comment anymore to this post. You have a great weekend.
 
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