Wins are a QB stat

[BoysForLife]

You might want to go back and read my post where I asked you the question.

And you might want to read the quoted text of my answer

Nothing in the quoted text about anyone being a moron

It’s like it never existed. Just because you state anyone who thinks Dak sucks is a moron, don’t make it so

But I can state Dak is 0-2 against Goff and its an ironclad undeniable fact

And I can tell that pisses you off

And I’ll be honest. I’m enjoying it

 

[Runwildboys]

At one point in the game, Dak had the ball at the end of the half and had an opportunity to score but was sacked out of field goal range. After getting the ball to start the half, he went three and out.

Also, what if, our defense was gassed from constant 3 and outs by Dak?
Maybe that played a part?

The defense let them march down the field right from the start. ToP was more on them than the offense.

 

[Yobwocs]

If just one of Anderson or Gurley doesn't get their 115+ yards tonight, let's see if Goff can win this game. My guess is that he would've had to do as much as Dak had to do to win that one when you have 50 total rushing yards and give up 273 the other way.

 

[Zman5]

And you might want to read the quoted text of my answer

Nothing in the quoted text about anyone being a moron

It’s like it never existed. Just because you state anyone who thinks Dak sucks is a moron, don’t make it so

But I can state Dak is 0-2 against Goff and its an ironclad undeniable fact

And I can tell that pisses you off

And I’ll be honest. I’m enjoying it

So if you actually look at 3 years of data on Dak, only a moron would think Dak sucks and is the worst QB in the league.

So tell us, do you think Dak sucks?

Many days yes

Sometimes I think he’s just average

 

[SackMaster]

That’s not the point he’s making. Extending Dak is accepting that you will have the inferior QB in the majority of the playoff games you play in for now on. “Good enough is good enough” has become the Cowboys mantra at the QB position. It not JJ, it’s not Garrett, it’s your mentality at QB.

Drew Bledsoe, Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, Drew Henson, Dak Prescott. When was the last time you really swung for the fences for a QB and not settled with a no-name or has-been guy hopefully working out? Troy freaking Aikman. 30 years ago this draft. Boom.

Or you can spend a Number 1 overall, and get virtually the same thing that Dak and Romo have given you.

If you don't believe me, lets look at all the 1st Round QBs, or in your words "swung for the fences for a QB", since Romo came into the league:

1 1 Carson Palmer QB USC Cincinnati Bengals
1 7 Byron Leftwich QB Marshall Jacksonville Jaguars
1 19 Kyle Boller QB California Baltimore Ravens
1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida Chicago Bears

1 1 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers
1 4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State New York Giants
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (Ohio) Pittsburgh Steelers
1 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane Buffalo Bills

1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers

1 24 Aaron Rodgers QB California Green Bay Packers
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn Washington Commanders

1 3 Vince Young QB Texas Tennessee Titans
1 10 Matt Leinart QB USC Arizona Cardinals
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt Denver Broncos

1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State Oakland Raiders
1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame Cleveland Browns

1 3 Matt Ryan QB Boston College Atlanta Falcons
1 18 Joe Flacco QB Delaware Baltimore Ravens

1 1 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions
1 5 Mark Sanchez QB USC New York Jets
1 17 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1 1 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
1 25 Tim Tebow QB Florida Denver Broncos

1 1 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
1 8 Jake Locker QB Washington Tennessee Titans
1 10 Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Jacksonville Jaguars

1 1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
1 2 Robert Griffin QB Baylor Washington Commanders
1 8 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M Miami Dolphins
1 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State Cleveland Browns

1 16 EJ Manuel QB Florida State Buffalo Bills

1 3 Blake Bortles QB Central Florida Jacksonville Jaguars
1 22 Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M Cleveland Browns
1 32 Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville Minnesota Vikings

1 1 Jameis Winston QB Florida State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1 2 Marcus Mariota QB Oregon Tennessee Titans

1 1 Jared Goff QB California Los Angeles Rams
1 2 Carson Wentz QB North Dakota State Philadelphia Eagles
1 26 Paxton Lynch QB Memphis Denver Broncos

1 2 Mitchell Trubisky QB North Carolina Chicago Bears
1 10 Patrick Mahomes QB Texas Tech Kansas City Chiefs
1 12 Deshaun Watson QB Clemson Houston Texans

1 1 Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma Cleveland Browns
1 3 Sam Darnold QB USC New York Jets
1 7 Josh Allen QB Wyoming Buffalo Bills
1 10 Josh Rosen QB UCLA Arizona Cardinals
1 32 Lamar Jackson QB Louisville Baltimore Ravens

If I counted Correctly, that's 47 QBs. Of those 47, 4 have won a Super Bowl (bold and underlined), 7 have been to a Super Bowl (bold), and only a Dozen or so can be considered "Franchise QBs".

And of the 7 total Super Bowl playing QBs, Rex, Eli, Ben, Aaron, Matt and Joe, the one you can say was "offensively lead" was Ryan's 2016 Falcons. Aaron needed the #5 Total D and #2 Scoring D in 2010 to win, and we've all seen what he can do when the team "doesn't put the pieces around him"

So we can spend swing big for QBs until the Cows come home, but without the proper coaching, scheme and development, it would take more Luck than Skill to actually do anything of note. And even with Luck, both the QB and karma version, that does not mean they will ever win anything.

So please don't think a 1st Round Pick QB is just going to succeed under a Garrett regime because while I don't know the future, I would be willing to bet they will not have any more success than Dak or Romo.

JMHO

 

[GMO415]

Dak is 1-3 playoffs
Goff is 1-2 playoffs

Dak's QBR today was 99.5
Goff's QBR was 74.4

If the game was put on Goff's shoulder he'd fold.

 

[BoysForLife]

Right

What in the text in *MY* post says anything about being a moron?

Just because I answered a section of a post you made, in no way constitutes an endorsement of your entire post

 

[BoysForLife]

If just one of Anderson or Gurley doesn't get their 115+ yards tonight, let's see if Goff can win this game.

And if Zeke doesn't lead the league in rushing in 2016 and 2016, and the defense wasn't top 6 in scoring both of those years, let's see if Dak has such a great "win loss record"

Goes both ways, doesn't it?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Or you can spend a Number 1 overall, and get virtually the same thing that Dak and Romo have given you.

If you don't believe me, lets look at all the 1st Round QBs, or in your words "swung for the fences for a QB", since Romo came into the league:

1 1 Carson Palmer QB USC Cincinnati Bengals
1 7 Byron Leftwich QB Marshall Jacksonville Jaguars
1 19 Kyle Boller QB California Baltimore Ravens
1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida Chicago Bears

1 1 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers
1 4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State New York Giants
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (Ohio) Pittsburgh Steelers
1 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane Buffalo Bills

1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers

1 24 Aaron Rodgers QB California Green Bay Packers
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn Washington Commanders

1 3 Vince Young QB Texas Tennessee Titans
1 10 Matt Leinart QB USC Arizona Cardinals
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt Denver Broncos

1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State Oakland Raiders
1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame Cleveland Browns

1 3 Matt Ryan QB Boston College Atlanta Falcons
1 18 Joe Flacco QB Delaware Baltimore Ravens

1 1 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions
1 5 Mark Sanchez QB USC New York Jets
1 17 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1 1 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
1 25 Tim Tebow QB Florida Denver Broncos

1 1 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
1 8 Jake Locker QB Washington Tennessee Titans
1 10 Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Jacksonville Jaguars

1 1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
1 2 Robert Griffin QB Baylor Washington Commanders
1 8 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M Miami Dolphins
1 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State Cleveland Browns

1 16 EJ Manuel QB Florida State Buffalo Bills

1 3 Blake Bortles QB Central Florida Jacksonville Jaguars
1 22 Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M Cleveland Browns
1 32 Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville Minnesota Vikings

1 1 Jameis Winston QB Florida State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1 2 Marcus Mariota QB Oregon Tennessee Titans

1 1 Jared Goff QB California Los Angeles Rams
1 2 Carson Wentz QB North Dakota State Philadelphia Eagles
1 26 Paxton Lynch QB Memphis Denver Broncos

1 2 Mitchell Trubisky QB North Carolina Chicago Bears
1 10 Patrick Mahomes QB Texas Tech Kansas City Chiefs
1 12 Deshaun Watson QB Clemson Houston Texans

1 1 Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma Cleveland Browns
1 3 Sam Darnold QB USC New York Jets
1 7 Josh Allen QB Wyoming Buffalo Bills
1 10 Josh Rosen QB UCLA Arizona Cardinals
1 32 Lamar Jackson QB Louisville Baltimore Ravens

If I counted Correctly, that's 47 QBs. Of those 47, 4 have won a Super Bowl (bold and underlined), 7 have been to a Super Bowl (bold), and only a Dozen or so can be considered "Franchise QBs".

And of the 7 total Super Bowl playing QBs, Rex, Eli, Ben, Aaron, Matt and Joe, the one you can say was "offensively lead" was Ryan's 2016 Falcons. Aaron needed the #5 Total D and #2 Scoring D in 2010 to win, and we've all seen what he can do when the team "doesn't put the pieces around him"

So we can spend swing big for QBs until the Cows come home, but without the proper coaching, scheme and development, it would take more Luck than Skill to actually do anything of note. And even with Luck, both the QB and karma version, that does not mean they will ever win anything.

So please don't think a 1st Round Pick QB is just going to succeed under a Garrett regime because while I don't know the future, I would be willing to bet they will not have any more success than Dak or Romo.

JMHO

It’s not a guarantee. Everyone has busts. But at least they’re trying

 

[nate dizzle]

The idea that wins and losses are assigned to QBs is ridiculous. That said, I get why BoysforLife is twisting the knife a little here. The same crowd that holds up Daks WL record as a a reflection of how good he is, only seem to want to pin the wins on him, not the losses.

Sorry, you don't get to have it both ways. Of course Dak wasn't the only reason we lost last night, but he sure was one of them. 1-13 on third down? Missing wide open receivers? Not using his legs to pick up drive extending first downs?

Don't get me wrong, he made some good plays early on and then late in the game, but for the majority of 3 quarters, he was not good enough. Some of it was on coaches, the line, the receivers (see, team game) but he himself wasn't good either. That snowball got bigger and bigger with every 3 and out and missed third down opportunity.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Romo is gone, dude. Let it go!

 

[SackMaster]

It’s not a guarantee. Everyone has busts. But at least they’re trying

So was the Patriots "not trying" when they drafted the most successful QB in the Salary Cap era in the 6TH ROUND?

Was Seattle just trying to be "good enough", when they drafted Russel Wilson in the 3rd Round? Or how about Nick Foles, another 3rd Rounder?

In my opinion, which I don't expect anyone else to agree with, both Romo and Dak are more than good enough to win with. The majority of "their failures", specifically in the playoffs has much more to do with poor coaching and preparation, both offensive and defensive, than the players themselves.

Hey, if the Cowboys draft a QB in the 1st in the next few years, awesome. But I just don't see how ANY QB fixes the issues, especially in the playoffs where coaching matters. Give me a new coaching staff before I worry about a new QB.

 

[Future]

Another stupid thread.

How in the world is this worthy of its own thread.

Bc we constantly have threads about how dak is great bc of his winning record.

 

[BoysForLife]

The idea that wins and losses are assigned to QBs is ridiculous. That said, I get why BoysforLife is twisting the knife a little here. The same crowd that holds up Daks WL record as a a reflection of how good he is, only seem to want to pin the wins on him, not the losses.

Sorry, you don't get to have it both ways. Of course Dak wasn't the only reason we lost last night, but he sure was one of them. 1-13 on third down? Missing wide open receivers? Not using his legs to pick up drive extending first downs?

Don't get me wrong, he made some good plays early on and then late in the game, but for the majority of 3 quarters, he was not good enough. Some of it was on coaches, the line, the receivers (see, team game) but he himself wasn't good either. That snowball got bigger and bigger with every 3 and out and missed third down opportunity.

Nate Dizzle, this is a hammer and nail post. You are 100% correct

Defense had their struggles but from the 3:27 mark of the 2nd quarter (when it became 20-7) the Rams managed one lousy field goal until their final TD at the 6:30 mark of the 4th quarter

That's close to an entire 2 quarters of football where our defense surrendered 3 points

A couple of scoring drives in there and we're right back in that game

But for some, it's only a team game when we lose as Dizzle said

Time for those folks to step up

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Another stupid thread.

How in the world is this worthy of its own thread.

Tenderhearts offended!

 

[blumayne38]

Dak makes terrible decisions and can't read the field on a regular basis, but he is also hamstrung with terrible coaching. Get a real staff, that also doesn't include proven loser Kellen Moore talking in his ear, and then see. Otherwise we will never know his potential and we'll waste another career at the hands of Garrett and friends.

Dak has no potential, if we continue this we will never see Zeke and this offense at full potential

 

[superonyx]

Bc we constantly have threads about how dak is great bc of his winning record.

I’m missing how a post like this is even interesting.
So are you saying that another QBs win loss record has anything to do with Dak being good or bad?
Are we now pretending Goff is garbage? Help me connect the dots.

Maybe it was an effort for a cowboys fan to troll other cowboys fans but it’s a fail if so,

 

[superonyx]

Tenderhearts offended!

Huh?

What does Goff’s win loss record say about Dak?
Absolutely nothing that’s what.
Are we pretending that the world can only have 1 good QB now?

You know Gurley can be good without Zeke being bad ect.

 

[uvaballa]

Just commenting on something I’ve read on here all season

Wins are the only measuring stick that matters for a QB. All other stats are window dressing, say the sniffers

I’m merely stating facts. What’s stupid about that?

Name 3 QBs with more wins since Dak entered the league then?

 

[uvaballa]

Huh?

What does Goff’s win loss record say about Dak?
Absolutely nothing that’s what.
Are we pretending that the world can only have 1 good QB now?

You know Gurley can be good without Zeke being bad ect.

Gurley is a beast and proving why he's first team All Pro.