Witten & Ware Updates

[DallasEast]

Dang. WG shows up and all I hear in the back of my mind is the theme from "The Good. The Bad. And the Ugly."

Total calm has been restored.

Look! Over there! A tumbleweed.

 

[bbgun]

Dang. WG shows up and all I hear in the back of my mind is the theme from "The Good. The Bad. And the Ugly."

Total calm has been restored.

Look! Over there! A tumbleweed.

I have a different movie in mind.

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[birdwells1]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4217562&postcount=2

I guess for you that's "ripping them a new one".:laugh2:

 

[birdwells1]

I'm not saying I disagree with you in principle, but your principle doesnt apply to what he posted. Posting sunshine after a 4 TD beating IS annoying, but he didnt do that.

I wonder if you would be jumping down the throat of someone who posted something negative after a big win, or even just something that could be perceived as negative?

Personally, after last weeks win over the Rams, I kinda avoided the "it's the Rams dude" threads. After the Rams game I was too caught up in thinking that this team has finally fixed their problems, so I wasn't trying to hear any negative talk.

 

[Hostile]

I guess for you that's "ripping them a new one".:laugh2:

It qualified for what you asked. Here is more.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4208818&postcount=141

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4208877&postcount=170

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4208952&postcount=207


Just because I don't scream "we suck" and lose my mind doesn't mean I am not critical of this football team. Some people that is all they do. One trick ponies. They call themselves objective fans or realists. I do not see it that way, especially in light of the fact that they cannot look at other football teams, even previous Cowboys teams and draw parallels. There is nothing objective or real about an inability to see past a won loss column.

Oh and before I forget, there was a thread asking if this game was our most dangerous left on the schedule. I said it was . Do you know how many people wrote off the Eagles as dead? Well, I wasn't one of them and in my primer thread for this game I mentioned Andy Reid's record coming out of the byes, and many other factors. If that isn't realistic enough for you then nothing ever will be. Not that I care. I don't seek your validation at all.

 

[Risen Star]

Wow, he's actually using those links to show how critical he can be of the Cowboys?

I didn't like Switzer!......years after he's gone.

I don't like our patch on our uniform!

I hate our pants!

 

[DallasEast]

Wow, he's actually using those links to show how critical he can be of the Cowboys?

I didn't like Switzer!......years after he's gone.

I don't like our patch on our uniform!

I hate our pants!

Since you do not believe he is being critical enough, could you list your examples of criticism which the team deserves. I could then research his previous responses to see if he has never touched upon the same discussion points in the past.

 

[casmith07]

Wow, he's actually using those links to show how critical he can be of the Cowboys?

I didn't like Switzer!......years after he's gone.

I don't like our patch on our uniform!

I hate our pants!

He provided what you asked for.

 

[bbgun]

Wow, he's actually using those links to show how critical he can be of the Cowboys?

I didn't like Switzer!......years after he's gone.

I don't like our patch on our uniform!

I hate our pants!

In all fairness, that last one is my obsession.

 

[Idgit]

Crap. This is even better than the mad-at-Laurent-Robinson's-touchdown thread. Good work, everybody.

 

[Risen Star]

Since you do not believe he is being critical enough, could you list your examples of criticism which the team deserves. I could then research his previous responses to see if he has never touched upon the same discussion points in the past.

Over the years? That's far too much to list. Jerry, Stephen, Wade, Quincy, Chad, Hambrick, Lacewell.

Don't tell me about how you never believed in a coach that isn't here anymore. It's easy to say that. You don't have to live with that situation anymore. Show me where you didn't believe in what was currently going on at the time.

In other words, as an example, don't tell me you didn't believe in Wade Phillips now. Show me where you said that while Wade was here....and not in the final month of his tenure when we all knew he was a goner.

The fact is, and it is a fact, this guy believes in everything the Cowboys are currently doing. I don't mean just now, I mean always. And when they have an awful performance like Sunday night he doesn't come in to talk honestly about how bad they were, he's here to butt heads with fans who will talk about that bad performance. They're haters. Knee jerkers. Less of a fan.

When your team has gone through the single worst era of football in their history, one that is beginning to creep way too close to two full decades, and you're challenged to name some issues over those years where you've been critical and you have to resort to nonsense like commemorative patches and the color of our pants, you might want to take off the fan goggles.

 

[Risen Star]

Man, I read my own response and it sounds like I have some huge problem with his stances over the years.

I actually don't. Sometimes I envy those that can always see the positive. Even if they're wrong every year.

But we shouldn't talk down to those who are capable of being critical.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Man, I read my own response and it sounds like I have some huge problem with his stances over the years.

I actually don't. Sometimes I envy those that can always see the positive. Even if they're wrong every year.

But we shouldn't talk down to those who are capable of being critical.

That goes both ways. Maybe some shouldn't talk down to those who choose to take a more positive stance in their opinions.

In your opinion, you think you're being critical, objective, etc. when that person may see you as always negative. And the person who chooses to look at the glass half-full also believes their being critical, objective, etc, and you (not you specifically) jump on them for thinking that way.

This thread is proof positive of that stance. How does it hurt you (not you specifically) or anyone else if Hos or anyone on here chooses to take a more positive outlook than you? How does it hurt anyone else if you or anyone else choose to take a more negative outlook?

Especially over the years when I can list about 15 topics and know which side about 50 members will fall (exaggeration, yes). It's a discussion board, yes, but how many times can one regurgitate the same opinion. It's gotten beyond stupid, IMO.

The overly positive and the overly negative and the endless debates between the two get on my nerves.

/rant off and I'm headed to lunch

 

[Idgit]

...we shouldn't talk down to those who are capable of being critical.

Everyone's capable of being critical. It's one of the easiest things to be. It's providing accurate criticism that's difficult.

 

[birdwells1]

Wow, he's actually using those links to show how critical he can be of the Cowboys?

I didn't like Switzer!......years after he's gone.

I don't like our patch on our uniform!

I hate our pants!

Nevermind Romo's 3 int's against the Lions, lets criticize the color of the their pants.

Nevermind the oline, lets talk about the patch on the uniform. It's a joke really.

What about Garrett's gutless play calling at the end of the NE game? Either it was gutless or he didn't believe in his franchise qb, in either case you would have had to be critical of one of your boys and I bet you did neither.

Face it, it's who you are, you just can't be critical of this organization, it's nothing wrong with that but trying to deny what everyone but your crew already knows is kinda embarassing.

Now back to those unifoms, which ones do you like?
:bang2:

 

[DallasEast]

Over the years? That's far too much to list. Jerry, Stephen, Wade, Quincy, Chad, Hambrick, Lacewell.

Don't tell me about how you never believed in a coach that isn't here anymore. It's easy to say that. You don't have to live with that situation anymore. Show me where you didn't believe in what was currently going on at the time.

In other words, as an example, don't tell me you didn't believe in Wade Phillips now. Show me where you said that while Wade was here....and not in the final month of his tenure when we all knew he was a goner.

The fact is, and it is a fact, this guy believes in everything the Cowboys are currently doing. I don't mean just now, I mean always. And when they have an awful performance like Sunday night he doesn't come in to talk honestly about how bad they were, he's here to butt heads with fans who will talk about that bad performance. They're haters. Knee jerkers. Less of a fan.

When your team has gone through the single worst era of football in their history, one that is beginning to creep way too close to two full decades, and you're challenged to name some issues over those years where you've been critical and you have to resort to nonsense like commemorative patches and the color of our pants, you might want to take off the fan goggles.

I thought that I would be forced to research topics which I would not immediately remember Hostile discussing in the past. He has previously addressed these points numerous times.

So, basically, it is not that he has not been critical about certain topics which you have named here. It is really about him not being as critical about the same topics as you define criticism.

Cool. He has pointed out that differing methodology with other members many times.

 

[DallasEast]

Especially over the years when I can list about 15 topics and know which side about 50 members will fall (exaggeration, yes). It's a discussion board, yes, but how many times can one regurgitate the same opinion. It's gotten beyond stupid, IMO.

Example opinion: Jerry Jones is a bad owner and/or general manager.

Formula

Stated once per day (which is an enormous understatement) X 365 (days per year) X the life of the site

= A heck of a long time for those who presently express the opinion to not comprehend that everyone "got it" almost a decade ago.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Am I allowed to post my opinion of the Cowboys on this board?

 

[DallasEast]

Am I allowed to post my opinion of the Cowboys on this board?

Yep.....

 

[casmith07]

Everyone's capable of being critical. It's one of the easiest things to be. It's providing accurate criticism that's difficult.

This, entirely. Or criticism that isn't littered with emotional outburst and irrational thought.

Besides, there's only one guy here who's the perpetual optimist, and that's Crazy Cowboy. We need one of his threads right about now.