Won't Miss Murray

[Idgit]

SEA, CHI, BUFF, PHI, KC, MINN, CAR and HOU are paying big bucks to RBs. That is 25% of the League.

We blew this one unless we end up with Peterson.

'Big bucks' is not what we were talking about. We were talking about Murray's $8M. But even if you want to change the basis to give you a full 1/4 of the league, let's do that. Charles' deal had a $3.9M guarantee. That was not an option for Murray. You think the Panthers are happy with the deal they gave Stewart? What about the Bears and Forte? Any of us think Peterson is going to see the end of his $44M? Honestly? That's half of those 8 deals. They're all bad deals or deals that would not have worked for Murray.

You're not making a case yet for why we ought to overpay what's maybe the easiest offensive position to fill that happens to have the shortest shelf life.

 

[mattjames2010]

That's a bad reason to overpay a back. And at what point did Murray graduate from being injury prone himself? The one season where he logged all the carried and played through the broken hand was enough to do that for you?

Our scheme did not making the RB a priority. It was our play calling that made it a priority. And there's no reason to think that's going to change. That said, we've been successful on offense for years.

Nobody in this thread is disrespecting Demarco Murray by saying we should not overpay him after he logged so many carries last season. It's simple math, and there's enough good data to back it up that we shouldn't ignore just because we don't trust the team to find a set of backs capable of running behind one of the best young lines in football with the league's most effective QB from last season throwing to a really really good group of skill position players.

Quick, give me a list of teams that rushed the ball as much as us that didn't have a clear cut starting RB? I bet that list is small. ****, I bet the list is small even if you go back 15-20 years. And when did Murray graduate? When he only missed 2 games in 2 and a half years, that's when.

The RB position is, without a doubt, a position of priority in this scheme.

And I have never said that we shouldn't have considered other options rather than paying Murray. I have said that letting Murray go would be smart IF we had plans on drafting an RB, we didn't. We didn't feel it was a priority, which means we were satisfied with the group of underwhelming RBs. Again, bringing Murray back on a contract that we could have structured to our benefit is far less risky than going into a season with a run heavy scheme with no clear cut starter.

 

[Idgit]

A team that rushed the ball over 400 times last year shouldn't be the team paying quality money to an RB? There are teams in this league rushing the ball less than us who give their backs big contracts.

I keep saying that, not sure why it isn't sinking in. No, we should not be overpaying a back that's old for his position and that we overworked last season.

We call a lot of running plays because it's an offensive commitment and because we've got a big, and now deep, OL. Not because we had Demarco Murray on the team and we just realized it in the last year of his deal.

 

[Idgit]

Quick, give me a list of teams that rushed the ball as much as us that didn't have a clear cut starting RB? I bet that list is small. ****, I bet the list is small even if you go back 15-20 years. And when did Murray graduate? When he only missed 2 games in 2 and a half years, that's when.

The RB position is, without a doubt, a position of priority in this scheme.

And I have never said that we shouldn't have considered other options rather than paying Murray. I have said that letting Murray go would be smart IF we had plans on drafting an RB, we didn't. We didn't feel it was a priority, which means we were satisfied with the group of underwhelming RBs. Again, bringing Murray back on a contract that we could have structured to our benefit is far less risky than going into a season with a run heavy scheme with no clear cut starter.

Quick, get yourself the list if you want to see it. It's not my job to make your arguments for you.

And if the RB position, without a doubt, is a position of priority in this scheme, why did we let ours walk? Why did we not replace him with a younger or more expensive option? Why didn't we draft one in any round of the most recent draft? Sounds like there are lots of good reasons to doubt your presumed priority.

And, again, I'm saying that overpaying Murray would have been a mistake no matter what we do to replace him. You don't get better by overpaying age.

 

[mattjames2010]

I keep saying that, not sure why it isn't sinking in. No, we should not be overpaying a back that's old for his position and that we overworked last season.

We call a lot of running plays because it's an offensive commitment and because we've got a big, and now deep, OL. Not because we had Demarco Murray on the team and we just realized it in the last year of his deal.

Yes, I KNOW that we rushed the ball more because of our offensive line strengths. What I'm saying, and you're not getting, is that it wouldn't have worked without a clear cut starting RB. This wasn't a 60/40 pass/run scheme, it was a heavy running scheme. And I'm asking you, go look through history and give me a list of teams that didn't have a clear cut starter at RB? The list is small.

 

[mattjames2010]

Quick, get yourself the list if you want to see it. It's not my job to make your arguments for you.

And if the RB position, without a doubt, is a position of priority in this scheme, why did we let ours walk? Why did we not replace him with a younger or more expensive option? Why didn't we draft one in any round of the most recent draft? Sounds like there are lots of good reasons to doubt your presumed priority.

And, again, I'm saying that overpaying Murray would have been a mistake no matter what we do to replace him. You don't get better by overpaying age.

I already know the list, it's an exception more than the norm.

Why did we let ours walk? Because our coaching staff has blind faith in McFadden and thinks both he and Randle can replicate what Murray gave us, that's why. They have stated this, and I'm saying THAT is far more risky in a run heavy offense than giving $8 million to a proven RB.

And you don't get better with letting talented players go and not replacing them with young potential.

 

[Deep_South]

I liked Murray, at least until he became an Eagle , but having been there for the MBIII contract disaster, I can't blame Jerry for deciding to move on and find a cheaper alternative. This is one of those decisions that isn't really right or wrong, we just have to see how it plays out in the long run.

 

[CrownCowboy]

We have four professional football running backs on our roster that can take the friggin' handoff and run through the interstate lanes our superb offensive line will open up.

Will you people give it a rest with this crap?

Demarco Murray couldn't stay on the field until last year because he couldn't stay healthy. Now, after our oline comes together and he has ONE year of CONSISTENT productivity, you all are having a meltdown because he's gone?

We will be fine at the position. We will run the damn ball.

 

[Idgit]

I already know the list, it's an exception more than the norm.

Why did we let ours walk? Because our coaching staff has blind faith in McFadden and thinks both he and Randle can replicate what Murray gave us, that's why. They have stated this, and I'm saying THAT is far more risky in a run heavy offense than giving $8 million to a proven RB.

And you don't get better with letting talented players go and not replacing them with young potential.

We let Murray walk because he would not accept our final offer, and we didn't want to overpay because we think we're succesful running the ball because of our blocking more than because of who we had at RB in 2014.

I haven't seen the coaches saying they expect Randle and McFadden can give us what Murray did. Where'd you see that?

And I guess we'll see how the young potential already on the roster does at replacing Demarco Murray this season. Clearly, the team thought those incremental cap dollars were much better spent on defense. Clearly I agree with them and you do not. We'll see how it plays out. There's no point in me saying yet again that $8M for a RB at that age and mileage is insane, and you saying it wasn't.

 

[CrownCowboy]

We let Murray walk because he would not accept our final offer, and we didn't want to overpay because we think we're succesful running the ball because of our blocking more than because of who we had at RB in 2014.

I haven't seen the coaches saying they expect Randle and McFadden can give us what Murray did. Where'd you see that?

And I guess we'll see how the young potential already on the roster does at replacing Demarco Murray this season. Clearly, the team thought those incremental cap dollars were much better spent on defense. Clearly I agree with them and you do not. We'll see how it plays out. There's no point in me saying yet again that $8M for a RB at that age and mileage is insane, and you saying it wasn't.

I'll say it again. $8 million for a running back at that age and milage is insane.

I'm glad Jerry said it.

 

[SlimBig]

There was a point last season where we were converting 50-60% of our 3rd downs. Thats because of Murray and our constant 3rd and shorts.

This thread is outrageous.

 

[windward]

Yes, I KNOW that we rushed the ball more because of our offensive line strengths. What I'm saying, and you're not getting, is that it wouldn't have worked without a clear cut starting RB. This wasn't a 60/40 pass/run scheme, it was a heavy running scheme. And I'm asking you, go look through history and give me a list of teams that didn't have a clear cut starter at RB? The list is small.

It is impossible to state whether it would have worked with a RBBC last year or not.

 

[rynochop]

I cant wait for the weekly Murray threads and how he played

 

[xwalker]

We will miss his pass protection and his ability to gain tough yards up the middle. Sure, if McFadden/Randle/Williams can get around 1,500 - 2,000 total we won't miss Murray.

McFadden is terrific in Pass Pro.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Peppers stripped him with one arm robbing the Pokes of a touchdown that would have clinched the game.
For all the good he did, he left a lot of yards on the field and cost us at least the first and last games of last year with turnovers.
MacFadden was a high 1, Williams a high 2, and Randle was probably two rounds better than he went due to knucklehead syndrome which he still demonstrates. No one after round two was better raw talent than this trio. And after all, raw/projected talent is all the draft is about.
I don't think Murray was the back to get us to the next level. He proved that in Green Bay.

Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But your assumptions in this comment are based on nothing but that alone. An opinion.

He left yards on the field. Prove that.

His touchdown would have clinched the game. Would Green Bay not get the ball baclk. Because there was a lot of time left on the clock.

Further, your assignment of blame in the GB game to Murray is the same type of complaint so many made about Fasano dropping a pass in the Giant play-ff game. Except you ignore a great pay by Peppers, limp it all on Murray, and then leave out all the other opportunities the team had to win the game other than that one play.

If you think the committee of back-ups will make this team forget Murray, have at it. The logic in that position after 1800 plus yards buy Murray is astounding since none of the others have sniffed 1000 yards in a season. Nor does any of these guys get the dirty yards Murray got.

But Murray did not hold this team back from the next level. It was more the injury to Romo's back in the Frisco game and his being injured in the Washington game and no viable back-up.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

While Murray had a great season, he did tend to run INTO his blockers from time to time, or head to the sideline, when he had the ability to gain a few extra yards on runs. Will his contribution to our offense be missed? Perhaps. Will his fumbles? Nope. He's the enemy now. Enough with the What Ifs. He'll be missing US, once he finds out he made the wrong play, by going to Philly.

 

[mattjames2010]

Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But your assumptions in this comment are based on nothing but that alone. An opinion.

He left yards on the field. Prove that.

His touchdown would have clinched the game. Would Green Bay not get the ball baclk. Because there was a lot of time left on the clock.

Further, your assignment of blame in the GB game to Murray is the same type of complaint so many made about Fasano dropping a pass in the Giant play-ff game. Except you ignore a great pay by Peppers, limp it all on Murray, and then leave out all the other opportunities the team had to win the game other than that one play.

If you think the committee of back-ups will make this team forget Murray, have at it. The logic in that position after 1800 plus yards buy Murray is astounding since none of the others have sniffed 1000 yards in a season. Nor does any of these guys get the dirty yards Murray got.

But Murray did not hold this team back from the next level. It was more the injury to Romo's back in the Frisco game and his being injured in the Washington game and no viable back-up.

Been saying this for a while. A mistake in the third quarter is somehow worse than TWO mistakes made in the final 3 minutes of a game?

And I like how us Cowboys fans, with how many times we've blown leads over the years, are saying a game was clinched in the third.

Oh the short term memories when it comes to sports.

 

[mattjames2010]

While Murray had a great season, he did tend to run INTO his blockers from time to time, or head to the sideline, when he had the ability to gain a few extra yards on runs. Will his contribution to our offense be missed? Perhaps. Will his fumbles? Nope. He's the enemy now. Enough with the What Ifs. He'll be missing US, once he finds out he made the wrong play, by going to Philly.

He got a good contract, doubt he'll be missing us much.

 

[TwoDeep3]

A lot of people overlook this.

Quincy carter was a second rounder. Joe Montana was a third.

So which are these guys? Joe or Quincy?

 

[Silver N Blue]

So what is this guys name and who does he play for? Oh...nevermind.